UVA Declines White House Invitation

[LetsGoDuke301]

I'm not currently content with the field, though someone could emerge from it. I don't know of someone else I definitely wish would join the field.

There is so much uncertainty. I think more so than in the 2016 GOP field. It is going to be an opportunity to see where the democratic voters stand on controversial issues. Biden on paper looks like the closest to center. But man, so much stuff with that guy. Not like with Trump, though. And he managed to do it. Will be an interesting time.


I am off to the courthouse. Y'all don't belittle each other too bad.

 

[Dattier]

A smart man would choose a moderate that has as little to do with AOC and Bernie as possible. Somebody that won’t use trumps childlike antics and knows the only way to success is appealing to the middle.

I doubt we'll be voting for the same person anyway, so your advice about who I should choose is pretty irrelevant.

 

[KyFaninNC]

You're equating memorized fact and proper phrasing with intellect. Off the top of my head, I don't remember the capital of South Dakota, and if asked, I might accidentally say the capital of North Dakota instead. So what?

When politicians you support make embarrassing errors , I bet you excuse it pretty easily as a harmless misstatement or speaking too fast or something other than a sign of diminished intellectual capacity. People on my side of center make fun of our President by diagramming his sentences, but really, stopping midsentence and restating it differently, repeating a word, adding an "um" or "y'know" -- those are all pretty common speaking conventions. Speaking in a fairly casual, conversational way isn't supposed to be as clean as a revised and proofread essay.

The 22nd Amendment was inspired by FDR's 3rd election so that no President after him could run for a third term. It's pretty easy and reasonable to give AOC the benefit of the doubt on botching her phrasing if you haven't decided ahead of time to call anything and everything she says stupid.

No, she is dumber than a rock. Period.

 

[KyFaninNC]

There is so much uncertainty. I think more so than in the 2016 GOP field. It is going to be an opportunity to see where the democratic voters stand on controversial issues. Biden on paper looks like the closest to center. But man, so much stuff with that guy. Not like with Trump, though. And he managed to do it. Will be an interesting time.


I am off to the courthouse. Y'all don't belittle each other too bad.

What have got into now?

 

[toonces11]

I doubt we'll be voting for the same person anyway, so your advice about who I should choose is pretty irrelevant.

It’s actually rock solid advice if you prefer trump not get another four years. Worst possible thing is for you to align yourself with a candidate with extreme views—-if you actually want change.

 

[Dattier]

It’s actually rock solid advice if you prefer trump not get another four years. Worst possible thing is for you to align yourself with a candidate with extreme views—-if you actually want change.

President Trump is extreme.
Moderates rarely change anything.
I don't think there's much chance anyone beats him.

 

[Dattier]

No, she is dumber than a rock. Period.

Yeah, you're not worthy of attention.

 

[USMC Cat]

Thanks. I'm glad to hear it. Wounded Warriors is a worthy cause.
I'll take your word for it that it's true. I stand by the fact that it's the equivalent % as someone making $100K donating $25.

Oh yeah, dont get me wrong, its not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

But a $400k donation to charities every year is nothing to sneeze at either.

Trump has always worked for free as president.

 

[USMC Cat]

My favorite is when she alluded to people not having more kids because, wait for it, climate change. Lol. She is a full blown idiot.

Next logical step is for Datt to support Ilhan Ohmar and call her a good American. Lol.

But why wouldnt she?

Think about it. Her big support comes from under 30 somethings who have no real world experience. So say outrageous shit, because why not? Who wouldnt want free college for everyone? Who wouldnt want to eliminate all pollution? Who wouldn't want to end world hunger and rebuild the rainforests?

I mean, we all do.

It's no wonder she has such appeal to those who've never filed taxes or held a real job.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

I like how they rip this guy's hat off snd when he goes to confront them, the ***s scream no violence.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

I don't think anyone has an issue with saying that there are people who they don't agree with politically that are, indeed brilliant. I think the issue is with calling AOC brilliant. On the flip side, you can think someone is a moron even if you agree with them politically. Well, some of us can anyways.

AOC gets an A in Communism and an F- in economics. She is pure commie. I don't know why she does not move to Venezuela because that is what her stupid policies would do to the U.S.

She is a total Bolshevik bitch.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

AOC gets an A in Communism and an F- in economics. She is pure commie. I don't know why she does not move to Venezuela because that is what her stupid policies would do to the U.S.

She is a total Bolshevik bitch.

Take a shot of bourbon, boss. Take it for freedom!

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

How is it brain washing? You seem to be ignoring this question. Maybe that's because you know your comment was idiotic and untrue.

78% students go to religious private schools.... duh

 

[bkingUK]

Some of her ideas are too far out there to take seriously, but AOC is a cool chick... She won me over when she went on Desus and Mero..and she’s hot. I’m glad she’s in office to call out the old senile white hairs.

Now, Green New Deal was a horrible name for that legislation and I’m not sold on her economic policy at all. Also, the two other freshman chicks she’s running with are annoying... but I like her style. Need more millennials in office.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Take a shot of bourbon, boss. Take it for freedom!

I made my living understanding economics. AOC tended bar.

I will bet that I made more money.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Some of her ideas are too far out there to take seriously, but AOC is a cool chick... She won me over when she went on Desus and Mero..and she’s hot. I’m glad she’s in office to call out the old senile white hairs.

Now, Green New Deal was a horrible name for that legislation and I’m not sold on her economic policy at all. Also, the two other freshman chicks she’s running with are annoying... but I like her style. Need more millennials in office.

She is not hot. She is somewhat attractive at the right angle, but not hot. Wood and all, but not hot.

 

[bkingUK]

She is not hot. She is somewhat attractive at the right angle, but not hot. Wood and all, but not hot.

Second hottest politician only to the bisexual chick from Arizona. And her being part lesbian gives her the edge.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Second hottest politician only to the bisexual chick from Arizona. And her being part lesbian gives her the edge.

Oh how I miss Nikki Haley. And heels up Harris is hotter.

 

[sgrooms]

Second hottest politician only to the bisexual chick from Arizona. And her being part lesbian gives her the edge.

Being the hottest (or second hottest) politician doesn't make her hot.

 

[SNU0821]

78% students go to religious private schools.... duh

And how is it brain washing? Still haven’t answered it.

 

[brooky03]

But why wouldnt she?

Think about it. Her big support comes from under 30 somethings who have no real world experience. So say outrageous shit, because why not? Who wouldnt want free college for everyone? Who wouldnt want to eliminate all pollution? Who wouldn't want to end world hunger and rebuild the rainforests?

I mean, we all do.

It's no wonder she has such appeal to those who've never filed taxes or held a real job.

You think college grads between 23 and 30 don't file taxes or work real jobs?

 

[toonces11]

78% students go to religious private schools.... duh

People send there kids out of the public system for a reason. ESP in certain areas. It all boils down to parenting. Some people get it. Some people are pieces of shit. You shield your kids from kids born into pos parents.

 

[brooky03]

People send there kids out of the public system for a reason. ESP in certain areas. It all boils down to parenting. Some people get it. Some people are pieces of shit. You shield your kids from kids born into pos parents.

I get moving kids out of city schools with violence or funding issues. Outside of that, the average private school is just a good way to flush money down the toilet. The difference in quality of education between a private school and a suburban public school is negligible.

 

[Dattier]

People send there kids out of the public system for a reason. ESP in certain areas. It all boils down to parenting. Some people get it. Some people are pieces of shit. You shield your kids from kids born into pos parents.

There are quite a few different reasons people leave public schools. I bet I know one you'll deny until the end of your days...
I also bet my deep personal knowledge and a career of studying it doesn't mean a thing because you have an opinion, either.

And how is it brain washing? Still haven’t answered it.

I'm not taking on that guy's battle b/c I can't go along w/ some of things he has said, but I will point out that you haven't demonstrated any proof of how public schools are brainwashing anyone, and it is far, far more logical to presume that religious schools have the edge in brainwashing.

 

[Dattier]

People send there kids out of the public system for a reason. ESP in certain areas. It all boils down to parenting. Some people get it. Some people are pieces of shit. You shield your kids from kids born into pos parents.

I get moving kids out of city schools with violence or funding issues. Outside of that, the average private school is just a good way to flush money down the toilet. The difference in quality of education between a private school and a suburban public school is negligible.

 

[bkingUK]

Everyone in my family has gone to private Catholic schools for generations. As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized you’re really buying into a community more than an education. Wouldn’t trade how I was raised for almost anything because it was a pretty ideal childhood... but holy shit was I sheltered. Black kids? Went to school with about 20 in 12 years. To this day, I’d say 80% of people I call friends come from those communities..even though I’m not even religious and arguably an atheist. And I’d probably feel guilty if I didn’t send my kids to the same schools. Catholic guilt.

 

[coryfly]

The problem with the way people think about private schools and public schools is they don't understand why those private chools are 'better'. They generally have less educated and worse teachers. They don't have much accountability or nearly as stringent standards. Yet most think they are better. Well, the reasons for that should be pretty obvious. Those reasons are why I'm so baffled that educated people think the voucher system is a viable way to address the issue.

 

[toonces11]

I get moving kids out of city schools with violence or funding issues. Outside of that, the average private school is just a good way to flush money down the toilet. The difference in quality of education between a private school and a suburban public school is negligible.

You didn’t attend private did you? The difference in my experience is night and day.

 

[SNU0821]

You didn’t attend private did you? The difference in my experience is night and day.

Same. Not even a question.

 

[Big_Blue79]

No, she is dumber than a rock. Period.

What have got into now?

These posts were delightfully back to back.

 

[brooky03]

You didn’t attend private did you? The difference in my experience is nighjt and day.

I did not. I attended a rural public school known for producing pretty terrible standardized test scores.

My best friend did jump to a private school for sports though, after his freshman year, so I have a little bit of perspective from my conversations with him. I also worked with a kid for a few years after college who went to the same private school. They both said it was stricter and more structured than public school. Neither felt like they were learning more or at a faster pace than they were in public school. Their grades didn't change much.

If kids want to learn - barring woefully unqualified teachers, extreme underfunding, or drugs/violence - they can do so equally well in public and private school settings. Most public schools have competent teachers. Private schools aren't going out and recruiting the greatest teachers on Earth and paying them big bucks to come teach. I suppose maybe the 'elite' ones do, but they're not the norm. You get regular teachers, for the most part. There's probably more leeway with the curriculum, but US history is US history. Calculus is calculus. Physics is physics. Spanish is Spanish. You get it.

 

[Dattier]

You didn’t attend private did you? The difference in my experience is night and day.

Same. Not even a question.

Did each of you attend both?

 

[coryfly]

I did not. I attended a rural public school known for producing pretty terrible standardized test scores.

My best friend did jump to a private school for sports though, after his freshman year, so I have a little bit of perspective from my conversations with him. I also worked with a kid for a few years after college who went to the same private school. They both said it was stricter and more structured than public school. Neither felt like they were learning more or at a faster pace than they were in public school. Their grades didn't change much.

If kids want to learn - barring woefully unqualified teachers, extreme underfunding, or drugs/violence - they can do so equally well in public and private school settings. Most public schools have competent teachers. Private schools aren't going out and recruiting the greatest teachers on Earth and paying them big bucks to come teach. I suppose maybe the 'elite' ones do, but they're not the norm. You get regular teachers, for the most part. There's probably more leeway with the curriculum, but US history is US history. Calculus is calculus. Physics is physics. Spanish is Spanish. You get it.

Actually, many private schools aren't even employing regular teachers at all. They don't have to. They can employ whomever they chose to employ. A good teacher has to use a crapload of strategies to teach and connect with a variety of different students. That is lessened in a private school setting where a below average teacher could really still be very successful because of the students and families they are dealing with. It is the same reason comparing test scores with our country and other countries (who do not educate everyone) without understanding those scores and the groups and subgroups tested is pretty worthless.

 

[brooky03]

You didn’t attend private did you? The difference in my experience is night and day.

What were the pros and cons of each?

 

[Dattier]

I bet many of you won't be able to get through this without feeling attacked and that actually hearing someone else is a zero-sum game.

I think some of y'all suck that much. Prove otherwise.

 

[I am stupid]

At the end of that article this popped up. "Taking mushrooms for depression cured me of my atheism". Didn't read it.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

I am the product of the public schools. I grew up in a town of 400 people. The only alternative was a Catholic school and my parents were Baptist and were too broke to even consider it. My sister was valedictorian and ended up with a Ph.D. from Vandy and I finished in the top five of my class and ended up a failed chemist that made it in the business world.

I like public schools. Of course, when I was going to school, we had discipline and lots of it. I think the big difference in public schools and private schools is the discipline and the desire and drive of parents and kids that go to a private school is much higher.

We expect too little from our kids. My parents fully expected me to make straight “A’s”, like my older sister did. I usually failed but anything less had to be explained. The more you expect and demand the more you get. I did the same for my kids. I expected the moon. I rarely got it, but both are knocking it out of the park in life now.

Many parents don't give a damn and those children are or will be the problem.

 

[KyFaninNC]

The problem with the way people think about private schools and public schools is they don't understand why those private chools are 'better'. They generally have less educated and worse teachers. They don't have much accountability or nearly as stringent standards. Yet most think they are better. Well, the reasons for that should be pretty obvious. Those reasons are why I'm so baffled that educated people think the voucher system is a viable way to address the issue.

Mainly because public schools are hamstrung by regulations from Federal and State governments. Public schools are failing to teach kids how to reason, they are failing to really educate the kids. Private schools are not hamstrung by those crippling regulations. Discipline is better at private schools.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Actually, many private schools aren't even employing regular teachers at all. They don't have to. They can employ whomever they chose to employ. A good teacher has to use a crapload of strategies to teach and connect with a variety of different students. That is lessened in a private school setting where a below average teacher could really still be very successful because of the students and families they are dealing with. It is the same reason comparing test scores with our country and other countries (who do not educate everyone) without understanding those scores and the groups and subgroups tested is pretty worthless.

^ Classic case of brainwashed. You have drank the koolaid, my friend.

 

[Dattier]

Mainly because public schools are hamstrung by regulations from Federal and State governments. Public schools are failing to teach kids how to reason, they are failing to really educate the kids. Private schools are not hamstrung by those crippling regulations. Discipline is better at private schools.

It's not a regulation, but one thing hamstringing public schools is funding. In NC, that has a lot to do with unlimited charter school expansion.

If discipline is better at private schools, it's in large part because they can expel students more easily and because people who have the money to afford private school are more likely to be part of the preferred, normative culture.