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There are several flavors of Kool-Aid. What's your favorite?
This is such a dumb thing to argue about. Every school is different and dependent on socioeconomic circumstances. I have no idea how any of you are lumping all public and private schools into single categories.
I went to a public school in a college town that is better than any private school in the state. My graduating class of 128 students had 14 national merit finalists and sent kids to Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, etc. With that being said, there is no way that I can take my personal experience and say that it represents public schools as a whole.
To not understand the issue but instead just irresponsibly claim others are brainwashed so you don’t have to is pretty absurd.
I’m a big believer in school being ‘what you make of it’. I’d say the biggest advantage is the structure and environment provided. My school wasn’t crazy upscale at all. We wore uniforms, had prayer service for 10 minutes a wk, all school mass once per month, all teachers have a masters, every head coach taught in some form/fashion, smaller class sizes, higher average tests scores, tougher grading scale. If you didn’t carry a C average 78% you couldn’t play sports. Had friends in public school with 4.2, 4.4 gpa’s that couldn’t make it out of first semester in college.
Cons: Teachers know everyone...and their parents. Hovering parents each thinking their kid is perfect, trayed lunches, def heavy handed discipline—-no forgive/forget type of thinking. Shitty teacher pay, also shitty tenured teachers that put in zero effort. And girls there can be terrible to each other.
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Do you realize the discipline being better has little to do with anything other than the student population? Not being hamstrung by what regulation? The regulations that require students to be taught standards? Reason and logic is constantly taught in public schools. Heck, they are even taught in gym, music, etc...
Private schools have some advantages over public schools if you want to look at how student x does versus student y. The main variable is the student and the family of x, the class size, and the ability to be selective.
It is definitely what you make of it. I’ve known both, kids from private and public who have failed and succeeded after HS. I don’t think your friends from public schools are any more indicative of a generalality than my unsuccessful ones from private school. However, your point about your school’s structure is a good one. Heck, give a crappy teacher a small class, with parents who give a crap, and students who want to learn and the whole class will succeed. That is not a knock on public schools the way people are trying to go with here though.
What's up with some schools going with gpa's out of 5 instead of 4, btw? This always bugs me when I see it. Just like some states using 5A as the top tier (so the lowest starts at A) and some using AA (so the lowest starts at D).
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The main problem with you Liberals is you think money solves all problems. The US spends more money per student than does many other countries, yet rank lower in regards to quality education. Look it up. Money is not the answer, actually educating is the answer.
Another thing about that: It's a bit contradictory to say public schools are both hamstrung by govt regulations and full of socialist brainwashing.
Ironically, the type of person who would spout off both of those incorrect ideas w/o the slightest awareness of the contradiction is clearly just repeating B.C. talking points without any independent thinking, and THAT is where the real brainwashing is going on.
We also educate every person in the country regardless of disability or intellectual or cognitive level or any other factor. We spend a lot of money on students who need more to get a quality education. If this is something people have an issue with then they sort of have an issue with the very nature of what we believe as a country.
So what's your proposal to"actually educate?"
For sucking at educating, students from other countries sure do like coming here to be educated. This occurs at the public and private level. Make that jive with your narrative.
We also compare just fine to other countries for the most part. Where we struggle is educating the lower end of our socioeconomic groups. Of course, we also educate those groups. Not everyone does. What would help our test scores comparatively is to decrease the gaps between the economic groups. If we can decrease our ‘poor’ families and somehow decrease the generational hopelessness and increase the stability of families in our country we will see an increase in test scores if that is what is important to you. However, people don’t want to hear that. They just would rather blame public schools because since they once attended school they think they are an expert. It is lazy and ignorant.
You have to be trolling. You keep repeating these mind-numbingly stupid generalizations and absolute statements. You're attributing similarly absolute stances to the so-called "liberals" here, which is just not happening here. You're projecting and using a straw man.
Not really. Gonna need to be more specific. How is religion brainwashing? Honestly, it sounds like more liberal nonsense, if you ask me.
Honestly (and super quick), it seemed to me the teachers cared more at the private/catholic school. The teacher/student ratio was smaller so there were more interactions with the teachers. It was a lot more strict than the public school, which I didn't like at the time. I do think I got a better education while in private school versus public. Public school, however, I think I learned more socially. There were a ton more students. I honestly am happy I went to both.
This is really just a quick couple points. This type of conversation could be a long one to do right.
Rather, it can be brainwashing, and has been administered in that way so often throughout history across religions and around the globe that no one should have to explain that concept to anyone unless they're being deliberately obtuse.
Historically, religion has also been a close partner with all kinds of innovation and discovery. Much of our scientific knowledge began with the motive of exploring God's wonders all around us.
It is a sad and shameful irony that the same faiths inspiring so much new knowledge have also obstructed that learning, as well. God -- whether Creator or creation -- is far bigger and more complicated than any of us will ever understand in this lifetime, and the role of organized religion in human history is, as well.
The numbers would look a lot better if we left the disabled and slower learners off of the studies. Or left them behind all together. But we don't operate like that. Good point, well said.
There is no contradiction. They are one in the same. Who do you think ran the government from 2008-2016? Obama and his band of Liberal, socialist, clan of Hate America fools I have ever seen. Only the deaf, dumb and blind refuse to see this.
With that, I am out. No hope for you guys.
It isn’t out of five....it’s still out of 4—they give you extra for AP classes...which are no different. Pads numbers for students and schools.
No one should ever get more than 4.0. That is the best. To screw with it cheapens everything.
Calling someone you know nothing about ignorant only shows your true colors. Can not debate, resort to name calling. I disagree with you, but I don’t think you are ignorant.
It doesn’t mean people who feel this way (assuming you are putting yourself in this category) are idiots or something. They/you just don’t know what they are talking about regarding this subject. For example, if we were talking economics I would definitely be ignorant. I'm not dumb though.
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Have a friend who is a teacher at public schools who argues the same thing. Public school teachers are better paid and generally have higher requirements. My friend, who is private school educated, says outright that public schools usually have better teachers due to higher wages, which makes sense.
To me, it’s mostly the ability to discipline students and enforce standards and values that separates private schools with public schools. Second is that typically private school kids come from parents who largely come from some amount of success or money, which leads to higher quality students. Of course there are exceptions and typing that sounds harsh, but it’s the bell curve.
Also....parents making huge sacrifices to get their kids the best, safe, and proactive education.
It's to differentiate between an "A" in easy classes versus an "A" in an AP-level class. It's pretty dumb, but it's there because colleges are so focused on hard numbers. The only way I see around it is for the various regional accreditation groups (UNC fans know what those are) to create a standardized GPA scale that takes into account certain recognized classes as a bump in scores (at least AP). That won't stop high schools from having their own system, but it will prevent those systems from distorting college admissions.
Getting an A in remedial algebra is much easier than getting an A in AP physics. Your view assumes that all classes are equal or close to equal, which is far from the truth.
Lol. If you're saying there's no difference between AP chemistry and chemistry, that's wrong but certainly debatable. But if you're saying there's no difference between an A in civics and an A in AP calculus, that's ridiculous. And I say that as someone who graduated long before the bump for AP classes was added (and who would have benefited a lot from that bump).
Private schools usually have greater accord about a narrower range of behavior. It's more likely that public schools will have to consider student actions in a context of more diverse cultures and be accepting of different "styles."
I appreciate your acknowledging it sounds harsh. I understand what you mean. Another way I would frame it is that society has normalized certain behaviors and values that can ultimately break down along cultural lines and traditionally privileged demographics. Sometimes what we consider "right and wrong" is subjective but it is still codified in law/rules. Where that defaults to approval of one culture over another, it's largely arbitrary. Over time, that can result in a bigger and bigger divide between the haves and have-nots. We might consider that difference a matter of "quality" and character, but in some ways it is an accumulation of value judgments over generations.
You're too obtuse to understand simple history. Religion has stood in the way of free thinking and science since its inception. Which has done more good for humanity, the sciences or religion?
Hint: It certainly hasn't been religion. You have a serpent that was smarter and more honest than god, you have a god that tells you how to manage your slaves and even how to beat them. You adore a human sacrifice and even perform symbolic cannibalism. A earth that is flat and only 6000 yrs old. I can spout this nonsense all day. Religions are the biggest bunch of bullshit ever.
The middle east had some of the best mathematicians ever and now they don't. Thank islam for that one.
Now do you understand my stance oh obtuse one? Brain washing at its finest....
Religion is all about man trying to edify himself. I haven't any proof of a creator, so I'm a science guy through and through. If someone had proof of a god, then I would have to see if it is a good it or a bad it. lol Man created a horrible god, i.e. old testament, koran, tora.... then god just disappeared in the new testament..... I guess there was too much damage control to try and appease people over the ot disaster.
I'll pray for you man. You clearly need it.
I’m saying those classes aren’t taught at an AP level in a ton of cases. The actual difference should be notable, but it’s getting dumbed downed. If you pass AP physics you should easily transition to college physics. Literally considered a weed out class now bc of the phony bologna stats high schools are pumping out
There has been a GPA bump for honors classes at least since I've been in high school, which I started almost 33 years ago. It seems odd to me that any of y'all have never even heard of it.
Colleges see weighted and unweighted GPAs. Another factor is class rank. The valedictorian at a really challenging school with no weights to their classes might have a 3.8 while the 130th person at a school with tons of AP courses might have a 4.1, but colleges will consider GPAs relative to class rank.
Colleges see weighted and unweighted GPAs. Another factor is class rank. The valedictorian at a really challenging school with no weights to their classes might have a 3.8 while the 130th person at a school with tons of AP courses might have a 4.1, but colleges will consider GPAs relative to class rank.
My point is that the influence of organized religion is more complicated than the all-good and all-bad narratives.
I mean the thing is, you are right. I mean I’m fairly sure you are right. But existence itself is pretty weird. Super massive black holes, quantum mechanics, infinite possibilities, gigantic marbles being guided by invisible forces in the middle of blackness, dinosaurs, pyramids, genesis of life, inability to prove it exists elsewhere, enormous distances, enormous distances that make other enormous distances trivial... there is plenty of room to assert magic men in sky...
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