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[toonces11]

Uh... that is judging.

And Borden, not only do I think that is ridiculous belief, I also think it is literally against what I would assume Jesus would truly preach (to celebrate love and dedication to others) and, on top of that, I think it is an incredibly hurtful and insulting statement and sentiment. To be frank, I see it on the same level as saying that you think interracial marriage makes you sick. It’s a shame, and I am sure it hurts your cousin to hear you say and know that you believe it.

Everybody has a right to their opinion, including ones like Bordens. I prefer people with religious objections take the I think marriage is bt a man and woman but its not my place to judge. That to me, is respectable. I have no problem with them believing something like that even though I don't agree with it. There just isn't any way its a choice. Im not sure there is any advantage to adding on how wrong you think it is or if it makes you sick---b/c it doesn't score you points with your higher power or serve any purpose other than to foster hate.....imo. I don't think Borden is a terrible person based off his opinion on this b/c there is a lot more to him than his view on same sex couples. Im guessing the amount of good he does far outweighs the bad.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Let's go down this rabbit hole.

Why is it the same group that bends over backwards to defend Islam the same group that slams Christianity for intolerance?

 

[JimboBBN]

Let's go down this rabbit hole.

Why is it the same group that bends over backwards to defend Islam the same group that slams Christianity for intolerance?

Libs will lib. The fact is, one is much, much more intolerant to not only Christianity, but basic human rights for women, as well. Never hear anything about that from lefties. Very strange.

 

[TheDude1]

Let's go down this rabbit hole.

Why is it the same group that bends over backwards to defend Islam the same group that slams Christianity for intolerance?

Very simple.

No lefties “bend over backwards” to defend Islam. The vast majority of lefties disapprove of certain elements of Islam. Duh. You think the group of people who champion, say, women’s rights are then going to be all happy about a religion that often places women in subservient roles, or will endorse religious states? Nope, that’s illogical.

What many do is defend Islam when people rant and rave about it being a religion of oppression and terror, and that the majority of Muslims are radical terrorists, and judge two billion people all the same, and try to deny entry to our country based on religion, which happens with some frequency.

Lefties would defend Christians the same way if the situations were the same.

There is the added wrinkle that most American lefties have experienced a lot of what we deem to be intolerance, and often institutionalized intolerance, at the hands of Christians that we do not experience at the hands of Muslims. It isn’t Muslims leading the charge against gay marriage in America, or Muslims leading the charge to put up religious statues in schools in America, or Muslims who lead the charge to ban abortion in America, or Muslims leading the charge to deny gay couples the ability to adopt. So you have to realize that the average lefties life is more negatively impacted by Christians than by Muslims, so the focus will be more on that. That’s generally how life works... you focus more on the things that impact you than the things that don’t. General human nature.

Done. Pretty simple. Next question?

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Very simple.

No lefties “bend over backwards” to defend Islam. The vast majority of lefties disapprove of certain elements of Islam. Duh. You think the group of people who champion, say, women’s rights are then going to be all happy about a religion that often places women in subservient roles, or will endorse religious states? Nope, that’s illogical.

What many do is defend Islam when people rant and rave about it being a religion of oppression and terror, and that the majority of Muslims are radical terrorists, and judge two billion people all the same, and try to deny entry to our country based on religion, which happens with some frequency.

Lefties would defend Christians the same way if the situations were the same.

There is the added wrinkle that most American lefties have experienced a lot of what we deem to be intolerance, and often institutionalized intolerance, at the hands of Christians that we do not experience at the hands of Muslims. It isn’t Muslims leading the charge against gay marriage in America, or Muslims leading the charge to put up religious statues in schools in America, or Muslims who lead the charge to ban abortion in America, or Muslims leading the charge to deny gay couples the ability to adopt. So you have to realize that the average lefties life is more negatively impacted by Christians than by Muslims, so the focus will be more on that. That’s generally how life works... you focus more on the things that impact you than the things that don’t. General human nature.

Done. Pretty simple. Next question?

Epic fail.

 

[TheDude1]

Libs will lib. The fact is, one is much, much more intolerant to not only Christianity, but basic human rights for women, as well. Never hear anything about that from lefties. Very strange.

No, I think the thing is you don’t listen when it is brought up and are simply not in those circles. You read a lot of books or articles about women’s role in Muslim societies, or gays in Muslim societies? You have a lot of conversations with Muslims about these issues? Do you actually know many Muslims? Let’s be honest, you probably don’t, and you wouldn’t. But some of us have read a lot about it, and discussed it, and so on, and yes, it’s discussed a ton. I am not sure you have any awareness of the rather common “battle” between progressive Muslims and conservative Muslims.

 

[TheDude1]

Epic fail.

RollLaugh


Ohhhhhkay there, thanks for educating me

 

[TheDude1]

Here’s a question for the group; do people who know about this, and people who don’t, have equal ideas and understanding about this stuff? Very curious.

 

[JimboBBN]

No, I think the thing is you don’t listen when it is brought up and are simply not in those circles. You read a lot of books or articles about women’s role in Muslim societies, or gays in Muslim societies? You have a lot of conversations with Muslims about these issues? Do you actually know many Muslims? Let’s be honest, you probably don’t, and you wouldn’t. But some of us have read a lot about it, and discussed it, and so on, and yes, it’s discussed a ton. I am not sure you have any awareness of the rather common “battle” between progressive Muslims and conservative Muslims.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

RollLaugh


Ohhhhhkay there, thanks for educating me

You're welcome.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I judge you to be a POS based on this comment.

That's your choice. Prayers for you.

 

[dukedevilz]

and try to deny entry to our country based on religion, which happens with some frequency.

There's what? 47 Majority-muslim countries? And how many were on the travel ban? 5, maybe? Last I looked, Venezuela is on the travel ban, too.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

So @toonces11 is simple minded because he looks at things as if his personal experiences are the way of the world. But comparing Islamic intolerance to Christian intolerance is useless because Americans don't experience Islamic intolerance the way they do Christian intolerance.

Just pointing that out.

 

[Dattier]

I’m Unwilling to accept YOUR personal ideas of racism. I reject the way you obsess about it. My objective truth has nothing to do with my skin color.

You argue to argue....when you can’t mske your point you argue points within a point until we aren’t even having the same convo. You are consumed by skin color plain and simple and it’s a sad world to have to live in. I just hope you change your method of delivery bc you basically are just an echo chamber from the progressive media concerning race.....and look how well it’s been received. Your method has made the divide greater than any time period in our lives..........once again, you don’t get to accuse people of doing the very things you do and get away with it—-i know that gets under your skin bc it’s the stone cold truth.

You're just rehashing things I've already covered thoroughly w/ talking points I've already shredded.

 

[Dattier]

So @toonces11 is simple minded because he looks at things as if his personal experiences are the way of the world. But comparing Islamic intolerance to Christian intolerance is useless because Americans don't experience Islamic intolerance the way they do Christian intolerance.

Just pointing that out.

Yes, he is simple-minded for treating his own worldview like the definitive and supremacist truth that everyone else is judged by.

I didn't say anything about Islam here. Domestically, Americans are far more likely to be harmed by the abusive and unconstitutional intrusion of warped Christian dogma. Islamic extremism is bad, m'kay?

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Yes, he is simple-minded for treating his own worldview like the definitive and supremacist truth that everyone else is judged by.

I didn't say anything about Islam here. Domestically, Americans are far more likely to be harmed by the abusive and unconstitutional intrusion of warped Christian dogma. Islamic extremism is bad, m'kay?

That wasn't directed at you buddy.

 

[Dattier]

The left enjoys calling conservative Christians intolerant. It's very helpful for letting people know who the really tolerant crowd is. The thing is, I don't obsess over homosexuality in the way that the left portrays typical Christians. I honestly don't know many people that do obsess about the topic, to be honest.

I don't agree with gay marriage myself (and neither do the scriptures), but I don't go over to anyone and tell them that they're living a sinful life. I've had gay co-workers, gay friends, gay teammates. I don't tell them, "Hey! You need to change your lifestyle or you're going to hell!" And you know what else? I also don't go over to my heterosexual teammates and say, "Hey! You're going to hell for fornicating - and watching pornography!" Seriously people, just because we disagree with something, doesn't mean we're here to try to control your life. No one is trying to take away your humanity (as @Dattier would put it). If you have a different set of beliefs, that's fine. You live your life, you seek after happiness, and so will I.

Some decent stuff in this post overall...

Do you consider your heterosexuality a "style" or an inherent part of who you are?

Your preferred interpretation of scripture justifies bigotry against non-straight sexual orientations. If you support legislation that aligns with your religious beliefs, you are likely complicit in the oppression of others.

 

[Dattier]

That wasn't directed at you buddy.

I retract the second sentence only then.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

I retract the second sentence only then.

Cool.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Uh... that is judging.

And Borden, not only do I think that is ridiculous belief, I also think it is literally against what I would assume Jesus would truly preach (to celebrate love and dedication to others) and, on top of that, I think it is an incredibly hurtful and insulting statement and sentiment. To be frank, I see it on the same level as saying that you think interracial marriage makes you sick. It’s a shame, and I am sure it hurts your cousin to hear you say and know that you believe it.

Seesh. Why would interracial marriage make me sick? And how's that even relevant? The Bible says marriage is a communion between a MAN and a WOMAN. It doesn't say a white man and woman. It's says a MAN and a WOMAN. Boy you're really reaching.
Judging a lifestyle is not judging a person. I feel same.sex marriage is wrong . I feel.that way through my faith. I don't think gay people, or those in same sex marriages are evil, bad , sickening people. I just think their lifestyle is absolutely wrong. They could be for all I know great, hard working law abiding citizens. Or they could be serial killers. I don't know. I know I would take the opportunity to get to.know them. That inwould treat them no different as I treat anyone else. See I think this is a hard concept for some of you. You think just because I don't agree with someone's lifestyle, that I possibly couldn't care for, or love them.
That's wrong. Because I do. I love my cousin. Love the many.friemds I have who are gay. I don't put them.down. I don't harp on them about how they live. It's their choice., and I respect that. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. And it certainly doesn't mean I don't care for or love them.
I treat every person with dignity and.respect. Regardless of their sexual orientation. Regardless of their skin color. Or who they root for. Vote for.
Some of you should try this. It would change your life.

 

[TheDude1]

Seesh. Why would interracial marriage make me sick? And how's that even relevant? The Bible says marriage is a communion between a MAN and a WOMAN. It doesn't say a white man and woman. It's says a MAN and a WOMAN. Boy you're really reaching.
Judging a lifestyle is not judging a person. I feel same.sex marriage is wrong . I feel.that way through my faith. I don't think gay people, or those in same sex marriages are evil, bad , sickening people. I just think their lifestyle is absolutely wrong. They could be for all I know great, hard working law abiding citizens. Or they could be serial killers. I don't know. I know I would take the opportunity to get to.know them. That inwould treat them no different as I treat anyone else. See I think this is a hard concept for some of you. You think just because I don't agree with someone's lifestyle, that I possibly couldn't care for, or love them.
That's wrong. Because I do. I love my cousin. Love the many.friemds I have who are gay. I don't put them.down. I don't harp on them about how they live. It's their choice., and I respect that. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. And it certainly doesn't mean I don't care for or love them.
I treat every person with dignity and.respect. Regardless of their sexual orientation. Regardless of their skin color. Or who they root for. Vote for.
Some of you should try this. It would change your life.

Seriously?

Do you not understand that the Bible was used by people for DECADES to attack interracial marriage? That people literally said that God made white people and black people different, that God himself told the people to stay with their own people? And those people were just as sure about their understanding of the Bible as you are.

And when you say “Treat people with respect!” and then talk about how gay marriage makes you sick, something I would never say about anything short of pedophiles... do you not understand that that would be seen by MANY people as NOT treating people with respect?

So we aren’t going to get anywhere with this. We can be done with it.

 

[toonces11]

You're just rehashing things I've already covered thoroughly w/ talking points I've already shredded.

You have retorted with your own personal experiences and basically recited word for word blm and progressives groups viewpoints. I disagree on many levels and it’s worked pretty well for me. The only thing you’ve accomplished is saying the same drivel 13 different ways. The same drivel I find to be both excessive and unnecessary. The media has been flooded with people using your same framework—-and it’s created even more divide. I don’t win when your angle is ineffective...which it is. So find something that works. Then get back to me.

You post in circles. Always bringing into convo back to race. Then you bring up your buzz words. Then you demand people accept your def of privelage. Then you demand people accept your def of systemic racism. People who don’t share your see race in everything lifestyle are then simple minded and obtuse. Rinse repeat.

Datts racial posts. 95%

Datts sports posts. 5%.

 

[Dattier]

Judging a lifestyle is not judging a person. I feel same.sex marriage is wrong . I feel.that way through my faith.

I'll ask again: Is heterosexuality your "style" or an inherent part of who you are?

If you are using your faith to justify a stance against others, you should expect your faith to be criticized.

 

[JimboBBN]

You have retorted with your own personal experiences and basically recited word for word blm and progressives groups viewpoints. I disagree on many levels and it’s worked pretty well for me. The only thing you’ve accomplished is saying the same drivel 13 different ways. The same drivel I find to be both excessive and unnecessary. The media has been flooded with people using your same framework—-and it’s created even more divide. I don’t win when your angle is ineffective...which it is. So find something that works. Then get back to me.

You post in circles. Always bringing into convo back to race. Then you bring up your buzz words. Then you demand people accept your def of privelage. Then you demand people accept your def of systemic racism. People who don’t share your see race in everything lifestyle are then simple minded and obtuse. Rinse repeat.

Datts racial posts. 95%

Datts sports posts. 5%.

I truly think he's used the words "systematic racism" in just about every other post he's ever made.

 

[Dattier]

You have retorted with your own personal experiences and basically recited word for word blm and progressives groups viewpoints. I disagree on many levels and it’s worked pretty well for me. The only thing you’ve accomplished is saying the same drivel 13 different ways. The same drivel I find to be both excessive and unnecessary. The media has been flooded with people using your same framework—-and it’s created even more divide. I don’t win when your angle is ineffective...which it is. So find something that works. Then get back to me.

You post in circles. Always bringing into convo back to race. Then you bring up your buzz words. Then you demand people accept your def of privelage. Then you demand people accept your def of systemic racism. People who don’t share your see race in everything lifestyle are then simple minded and obtuse. Rinse repeat.

Datts racial posts. 95%

Datts sports posts. 5%.

For most non-white people, race is a relevant part of their personal experience. Talking about race isn't inserting it or injecting it or bringing it back around to it any more than when basketball commentary eventually mentions rebounding yet again.

The definitions for "privilege" and "systemic racism" are pretty narrow. The academic use of "racism" and "white supremacy" I prefer have existed for 40+ years, and while I use them and mention them, I don't insist on them, nor do I bring discussion to a screeching halt to whine like an entitled punk when anyone uses those terms differently. The ground I give there grants me credibility when I dig my heels in elsewhere. Well, if I was dealing w/ reasonable people, that is. Instead I have you, a guy who flips out over any divergence from his way in all things, down to the very words people use.

 

[toonces11]

For most non-white people, race is a relevant part of their personal experience. Talking about race isn't inserting it or injecting it or bringing it back around to it any more than when basketball commentary eventually mentions rebounding yet again.

The definitions for "privilege" and "systemic racism" are pretty narrow. The academic use of "racism" and "white supremacy" I prefer have existed for 40+ years, and while I use them and mention them, I don't insist on them, nor do I bring discussion to a screeching halt to whine like an entitled punk when anyone uses those terms differently. The ground I give there grants me credibility when I dig my heels in elsewhere. Well, if I was dealing w/ reasonable people, that is. Instead I have you, a guy who flips out over any divergence from his way in all things, down to the very words people use.

That’s the thing you can’t seem to wrap your mind around. Nobody is saying race is a non factor. Nobody denies it’s presence from the beggining of our country. Nobody denies that white people have had certain advantages due to past racism. Although you might see yourself as an authority on the subject in your like minded circle.....it doesn’t translate so well to people that have had other experiences and view the subject differently. Yet you insist it’s all or nothing. It doesn’t work that way. It’s wildly ineffective in reaching anyone other than those that all ready share the exact same view. You talk about it constantly....so that tells me you are out to change people’s view on the matter. So why would you ever think your view is so infallible when so many disagree with the level you take it to? A little self realization/reflection might do a guy good. I’ve always stood against racism, bullying, sexism bc I had good parents. I don’t treat others like that and more often than not it’s extended right back.
The most racist people I know aren’t white people. And color certainly doesn’t determine the percentage of people that are racist. You are being straight up dishonest saying you don’t bring race into most subjects. Then immediately circle the wagons to your 3 talking points.
You post about the subject like you are living in a different era or something. The first sign that you need to take a step back is when you Start refusing to acknowledge that universally every poster here rejects racism——-bc if they don’t reject it to your level than they might as well put on a bedsheet.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Seriously?

Do you not understand that the Bible was used by people for DECADES to attack interracial marriage? That people literally said that God made white people and black people different, that God himself told the people to stay with their own people? And those people were just as sure about their understanding of the Bible as you are.

And when you say “Treat people with respect!” and then talk about how gay marriage makes you sick, something I would never say about anything short of pedophiles... do you not understand that that would be seen by MANY people as NOT treating people with respect?

So we aren’t going to get anywhere with this. We can be done with it.

Lol....Someone needs Bible study. Moses wife was of different race. You should understand something before quoting it.
I gave you an opportunity . You failed. The ACT to me is sickening; not the people Try and keep up...You still with me? Ok. Me not liking the fact of gay marriage isn't me judging anyone. Why is that so hard to understand? God has said it's wrong. I'm repeating...Not judging. The people Don t make me "sick". The ACT does. You still with me? You following? I didn't say GAY PEOPLE make me sick. Indidmt say GAY PEOPLE who are married, make me sick. Again...i said the ACT. I treat EVERY person with respect. Even if i do not agree with their lifestyle. It's not that difficult. Really...its not.

 

[IUfanBorden]

I'll ask again: Is heterosexuality your "style" or an inherent part of who you are?

If you are using your faith to justify a stance against others, you should expect your faith to be criticized.

Nothing wrong with criticizing. I accept that. There's a difference between criticising something, and mocking something. But to be honest...I truly Don t expect You to understand that.

 

[TheDude1]

Lol....Someone needs Bible study. Moses wife was of different race. You should understand something before quoting it.
I gave you an opportunity . You failed. The ACT to me is sickening; not the people Try and keep up...You still with me? Ok. Me not liking the fact of gay marriage isn't me judging anyone. Why is that so hard to understand? God has said it's wrong. I'm repeating...Not judging. The people Don t make me "sick". The ACT does. You still with me? You following? I didn't say GAY PEOPLE make me sick. Indidmt say GAY PEOPLE who are married, make me sick. Again...i said the ACT. I treat EVERY person with respect. Even if i do not agree with their lifestyle. It's not that difficult. Really...its not.

Uh... I need bible study? Heh. That’s rich But if I say anything else, then some douche will complain about how I am always bragging about how smart I am... so yeah, sort of painted into a corner there.

And we disagree what constitutes judgment.

judge
jəj/
verb
1. form an opinion or conclusion about.

Borden, you might think you are not judging anyone, and that you can say that about the act and it doesn’t reflect judgment. Many people would disagree, and I am pretty sure a lot of gay people would disagree completely. And I believe that forming your conclusion about an essential and lifelong act of love as “sickening” is most assuredly judgment, and would hurt many gay people.

I’m sure you are a decent guy, and generally treat people well. I already went back and added to a post to ensure I apologized for offending you getting with the floating guy thing, although you never responded. Not sure if I am in the wrong in this particular discussion. As I said, we can move along.

 

[Dattier]

That’s the thing you can’t seem to wrap your mind around. Nobody is saying race is a non factor. Nobody denies it’s presence from the beggining of our country. Nobody denies that white people have had certain advantages due to past racism. Although you might see yourself as an authority on the subject in your like minded circle.....it doesn’t translate so well to people that have had other experiences and view the subject differently. Yet you insist it’s all or nothing. It doesn’t work that way. It’s wildly ineffective in reaching anyone other than those that all ready share the exact same view. You talk about it constantly....so that tells me you are out to change people’s view on the matter. So why would you ever think your view is so infallible when so many disagree with the level you take it to? A little self realization/reflection might do a guy good. I’ve always stood against racism, bullying, sexism bc I had good parents. I don’t treat others like that and more often than not it’s extended right back.
The most racist people I know aren’t white people. And color certainly doesn’t determine the percentage of people that are racist. You are being straight up dishonest saying you don’t bring race into most subjects. Then immediately circle the wagons to your 3 talking points.
You post about the subject like you are living in a different era or something. The first sign that you need to take a step back is when you Start refusing to acknowledge that universally every poster here rejects racism——-bc if they don’t reject it to your level than they might as well put on a bedsheet.

Yes, you do deny its presence every time it's any less clear than a video of a black guy being shot in the back from 50 feet away. Not only that, you won't even give people the gray area to have their justifiable suspicions based on the entire history of their race on this continent. No, it's "race card" this and "liar" that.

I'm done with all y'all.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

I'm done with all y'all.

Though I think you focus on race way too much. Your passion deserves a certain level of admiration. I think that you believe that you are fighting a good fight, but you are fighting it against the wrong people IMO.

There's no reason to be done with all of us. Maybe just be done trying to school all of us on racism.

 

[Dattier]

Maybe just be done trying to school all of us on racism.

No way. Y'all need it badly. You are the problem.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

No way. Y'all need it badly. You are the problem.

Haha. Sad that you actually believe that.

Tell us datt, what is it that you have done in your past that you feel so guilty about? Why should we feel guilty because of your guilt?

 

[TheDude1]

Haha. Sad that you actually believe that.

Tell us datt, what is it that you have done in your past that you feel so guilty about? Why should we feel guilty because of your guilt?

Hah! Easy, Sigmund Freud

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Hah! Easy, Sigmund Freud

Freud is actually pretty close to my family's original name.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Uh... I need bible study? Heh. That’s rich But if I say anything else, then some douche will complain about how I am always bragging about how smart I am... so yeah, sort of painted into a corner there.

And we disagree what constitutes judgment.

judge
jəj/
verb
1. form an opinion or conclusion about.

Borden, you might think you are not judging anyone, and that you can say that about the act and it doesn’t reflect judgment. Many people would disagree, and I am pretty sure a lot of gay people would disagree completely. And I believe that forming your conclusion about an essential and lifelong act of love as “sickening” is most assuredly judgment, and would hurt many gay people.

I’m sure you are a decent guy, and generally treat people well. I already went back and added to a post to ensure I apologized for offending you getting with the floating guy thing, although you never responded. Not sure if I am in the wrong in this particular discussion. As I said, we can move along.

Yes, you need bible study. I'm not judging. God already said it's wrong. I'm going by HIS word. It's not my opinion. Or something I made up. It's my faith. I seriously do not understand why this is so difficult to understand [for you].
Read First Corinthians, 7:39. It speaks specifically on this subject[ interracial marriages]. The Bible when saying, " do not marry interracial, for not mean because of skin color or ethnicity. It's because of religion. Read it . It will.educate you.

 

[TheDude1]

Borden, you are aware that one of my undergrad degrees is in religion, right? Like... literal Bible study? Maybe you didn’t know. My other two are in History (with a focus on Middle Eastern history, the literal birthplace of the abrahamic religions religions) and African History, again with a big focus on the Middle East. I am quite familiar with the Bible and how people interpret it over time, thanks.

And again... people used biblical verses to explain why interracial marriage is wrong. This is factual history. You can argue that YOUR understanding of the Bible is different, or you understand the Bible better than they did, and that your disapproval of gay marriage is a Bibical truth but opposition to interracial marraige was a misinterpretation of Biblical verse, but it all ultimately supports the point that just because you believe the Bible is telling you an absolute truth does not mean everyone sees it that way or agrees, or indeed that you are necessarily correct.

And I get that you think it is hard for me to understand. I think you do not understand my stance either. So there we go.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Borden, you are aware that one of my undergrad degrees is in religion, right? Like... literal Bible study? Maybe you didn’t know. My other two are in History (with a focus on Middle Eastern history, the literal birthplace of the abrahamic religions religions) and African History, again with a big focus on the Middle East. I am quite familiar with the Bible and how people interpret it over time, thanks.

And again... people used biblical verses to explain why interracial marriage is wrong. This is factual history. You can argue that YOUR understanding of the Bible is different, or you understand the Bible better than they did, and that your disapproval of gay marriage is a Bibical truth but opposition to interracial marraige was a misinterpretation of Biblical verse, but it all ultimately supports the point that just because you believe the Bible is telling you an absolute truth does not mean everyone sees it that way or agrees, or indeed that you are necessarily correct.

And I get that you think it is hard for me to understand. I think you do not understand my stance either. So there we go.

Then how do you not understand the Bible? I can literally quote hundreds of passages where the Bible clearly states there's nothing wrong with interracial marriage. Literally hundreds. I mean you do know Moses wife was black....Right? She was of Cushite; Ethiopian. Whennspeaking to the Jews, God forbade interracial marriage because those of different races, worshiped different Gods. It had nothing to do with skin color. I would think someone with a degree in religion would know this.

 

[toonces11]

Yes, you do deny its presence every time it's any less clear than a video of a black guy being shot in the back from 50 feet away. Not only that, you won't even give people the gray area to have their justifiable suspicions based on the entire history of their race on this continent. No, it's "race card" this and "liar" that.

I'm done with all y'all.

False. I don’t go looking for it like you do. It’s like you are on a mission to pounce on anything that can lead to your talking points. I make a rational and reasonable assessment based on the known evidence at the time. I almost always preface my opinion with “with the facts we have now”. You get baited so easily on what the crowd is saying. Then, even when faced with a preponderance of evidence that it isn’t bc of race——instead of acknowledging that the victim was actually not a victim, your not intellectually honest enough to call it at face value. You then hyper focus on anything you can cling to bullhorn a racial component. You insist on people admitting they are wrong....yet you turn into Dattier trump when your wrong. Then the deflection goes full force until you turn the conversation into something it wasn’t.

Pro football player cussed out and goes after fan—-player says he was called a $$$ger by fan. Audio and witnesses confirm player lying. Your response is :we don’t know what he heard.

Michael Bennett makes all types of exaggerated claims. Video/audio/eyewitness everyone involved refutes his claims. Your response—-you don’t know what his truth is.

Wtf do you expect people to say about your responses? Like I’ve said many times before. The very characteristics you try to assign to people that disagree with you are the exact things you do to people. You are the mirror image of the people you claim to detest...you just do it from the other side.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Borden, you are aware that one of my undergrad degrees is in religion, right? Like... literal Bible study? Maybe you didn’t know. My other two are in History (with a focus on Middle Eastern history, the literal birthplace of the abrahamic religions religions) and African History, again with a big focus on the Middle East. I am quite familiar with the Bible and how people interpret it over time, thanks.

And again... people used biblical verses to explain why interracial marriage is wrong. This is factual history. You can argue that YOUR understanding of the Bible is different, or you understand the Bible better than they did, and that your disapproval of gay marriage is a Bibical truth but opposition to interracial marraige was a misinterpretation of Biblical verse, but it all ultimately supports the point that just because you believe the Bible is telling you an absolute truth does not mean everyone sees it that way or agrees, or indeed that you are necessarily correct.

And I get that you think it is hard for me to understand. I think you do not understand my stance either. So there we go.

I possibly could interpret the Bible differently. MOF, I am sure I do.But couldn't you as well? Or does your degree make you immune to that? I have read on this hundreds of times. Spoke about it at church. With multiple pastors. Same comclusion: interracial marriage, when spoke of in the bible, wasn t due to skin.color. Now, maybe all 20-30 of these pastors I spoke with are wrong. Could be. But I doubt it. A degree in religion I do not have. Not formal training. But would I do have is years of reading the Bible. Studying the Bible. Listening to many , many of great Pastors preach on this very subject. Now, that won't land me a job. But it does land me peace of mind when discussing this topic.