I went down on a girl once, when I tasted horse semen, I stated "Grandma, so that's how you died!"
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This is where this thread should be heading.
"Work hard, don't be lazy, get results" is a good motto, but I added pick the right field. No matter how hard you work if you went to school for Art History it may be tough to find a good job in the real world.
It's good advice if you only have 5 seconds in which to offer it. It's a huge oversimplification otherwise.
Tell that to the coders and CIS majors who have skill and promise, but the lack of opportunities to showcase their skills due to said saturated market. I get your angle though with the art history quip.
I will admit that it is a broad generalization if used on a specific group as a whole. And if I was doing that, it wasn't my intention. I think that, even in a tough economy, there are options. Might not be the option you like or want. But there are options to get through tough times. I am speaking more to the ones who used excuses and did not put forth the effort to sacrifice what they thought they deserved for what would get them through. I think the last two generations have really gone towards the lazy side. I don't know a single person who couldn't get a job that actually tried.
Sounds like they got a degree in a field that is overcrowded and requires extra skill to obtain meaningful work.
Coders and CIS majors should have looked at the forecast before choosing that field. -7% decline from 2016-2026. Not a good field to go into if you want a job out of college. There are plenty of fields with average to above average growth they would have had better luck.
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/computer-programmers.htm
I'll be honest, that looks exhausting:
It likely does. 18 U.S.C. 249: "Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person." The key, as with any potential hate crime situation, is the "because of the" language. It has to be the animus for the attack.
A common but lazy stereotype, unfortunately. It's the new "underwater basket weaving," only instead of being employed against student athletes its employed against an entire generation of people who had no role in shaping the economy. Yes, we all agree that choosing art history as a major is likely to lead to poor job prospects. We also agree that wiping or otherwise cleaning your butthole after pooping is the right thing to do.
Now that the low hanging fruit is out of the way, can the adults talk about the systemic issues facing the job market? Or will we be subjected to another chapter of lazy admonitions from grandpa?
Edit: forgot the hyperlink re: Millenials and majors. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/students-at-most-colleges-dont-pick-useless-majors/
Or pursue a related field and utilize the skill set they have to bring something new to the table. Now we just need a President that wants to grow the job market. Winking
Millenials, the current generation under attack for being lazy (which is itself a lazy critique based on crude stereotypes and anecdotes), entered college between ~ 1999 and 2014. Was this forecast available in 1999? I doubt it.
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A lot of techies I know go on to get graduate degrees, take on internships and work with companies prior to getting the job that they’ve worked to get for 7-8 years.
I do: JD and now work at a law firm practicing law. A lot of JD recipients go onto other fields, although those tend to be the people that went to law school solely for the job prospects (and the big law dynamic is changing at both the partner and associate level) and hated it.
You’re telling me they should head in another direction midway through grad school? I know you’re being a contrarian here but come on.
I did despite working in one of the most saturated states in the country in my field. Part of my program included an internship and my hospital saw I was a good working during that internship and I got a job out of school.
They should have chosen something different from the get go. Every engineer and health care worker I know has gotten jobs in their field out of school.
Would you feel the same way if you worked just as hard as you did and didn’t get granted that opportunity?
That you know, I’m sure there are many that didn’t. Can’t scapegoat them as being lazy or not has hard of a worker if you don’t know them or their work ethic.
There are two fundamental facts that you seem to be glossing over: 1) the job market changes, often in unforeseeable ways; and 2) time travel is not yet available. Yes, people need to do their best to maximize their prospects, but if you think that forces beyond the control and foreseeability of people do not have tremendous influence on their prospects, you're ignorant of reality.
That you know. I’m sure plenty of techies got good jobs without being forced to go to grad school.
Job markets don’t change much in the course of the 3 to 5 year span it takes to get most bachelors degrees. And if there are markets that susceptible to change, avoid them when choosing a field of study.
Your takes are the job market equivalent of "buy low, sell high" as an investment strategy.
5 for 5. I was a bit bipolar going into college. I started out with aspirations of being a biologist. I built up credited hours in Marine Biology, but after a while, I found that I wasn't going to retain the level of interest in that and became lazy in the study. I changed majors pretty quickly. Took some criminology courses, but finished with a dgree in criminal justice. Considered being a cop, like my oldest brother, but decided that I wanted to be in the prosecution side of the law. But, being lazy and poor, never enrolled in law school. I did work as an investigator for the D.A. for a few years. Now, I work with a bunch of ex cops and future jailbirds.
Continue to feel bad for those that go to college in fields without positive growth. I won't.
Don't know why, but this surprises me. I guess it is all in the people you know. UNCW brings people in with the intentions of starting their future. But the beach sucks them in and they become bartenders. Haha.
My wife doesn't work in the field she went to school for but that's by our choice.
I wish we were friends. You seem to have everything figured out and you're what? Not even 30 yet?
And you'll oversimplify the reasons they're in difficult spots to justify not caring about others.
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