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Continue to feel bad for those that go to college in fields without positive growth. I won't.

Sigh. Again, the issue isn't people picking "fields without positive growth," because we all agree that art history, for example, has few job prospects. The issue is when people choose job fields that have positive growth and the rug comes out from under them because of things like the Great Recession (two entire years of law schools graduates got screwed through no fault of their own or foreseeable reason), the job market changing in unforeseeable ways (they should get a time machine to read reports from the future, says you!), or other unforeseeable events outside of their control.

Since you love vague platitudes so much, consider that the phrase "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" was coined to mock people who suggested that hard work alone was sufficient to do the impossible.
 
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wut?


Not moderate, but logical and reasonable.

Liberals are neither logical or reasonable. The logic is blinded by emotions - and anecdotal stories. Emotions are not logical. Your reasonableness is easily dismissed when you can't be friends with someone who has differing view points. Certainly not all liberals fall into these two categories, but most. Here's a study conducted by Dartmouth

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Liberals are neither logical or reasonable. The logic is blinded by emotions - and anecdotal stories. Emotions are not logical. Your reasonableness is easily dismissed when you can't be friends with someone who has differing view points. Certainly not all liberals fall into these two categories, but most. Here's a study conducted by Dartmouth

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Liberals are neither logical or reasonable. The logic is blinded by emotions - and anecdotal stories. Emotions are not logical. Your reasonableness is easily dismissed when you can't be friends with someone who has differing view points. Certainly not all liberals fall into these two categories, but most. Here's a study conducted by Dartmouth

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In this day and age w/ the current make-up of the Republican Party, you think a poll of college students in the Northeast tells anything resembling the real story? lol
 
In this day and age w/ the current make-up of the Republican Party, you think a poll of college students in the Northeast tells anything resembling the real story? lol

Obviously the numbers at one school are going to differ a bit from the national average. But do you honestly believe liberals are as tolerant as republicans in terms of being friends with those of opposing views? Let's take numbers from The Pew Research Center. 35% of Democrats say it would put a strain on the friendship - whereas just 13% of Republicans would have troubles with being friends of someone who supported the other candidate.

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Obviously the numbers at one school are going to differ a bit from the national average. But do you honestly believe liberals are as tolerant as republicans in terms of being friends with those of opposing views? Let's take numbers from The Pew Research Center. 35% of Democrats say it would put a strain on the friendship - whereas just 13% of Republicans would have troubles with being friends of someone who supported the other candidate.

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I think liberals use politics as their identity much more often than republicans
 
I think liberals use politics as their identity much more often than republicans

Politics is the religion of the left. It consumes them. I'm married to a democrat. So what. If that's what you believe, go for it. But don't force your crappy politics on me and try to intimidate/shame me and others into conformity.
 
Obviously the numbers at one school are going to differ a bit from the national average. But do you honestly believe liberals are as tolerant as republicans in terms of being friends with those of opposing views? Let's take numbers from The Pew Research Center. 35% of Democrats say it would put a strain on the friendship - whereas just 13% of Republicans would have troubles with being friends of someone who supported the other candidate.

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That's a question of Trump vs. Clinton. That's different than Rep. vs. Dem.
 
Politics is the religion of the left. It consumes them. I'm married to a democrat. So what. If that's what you believe, go for it. But don't force your crappy politics on me and try to intimidate/shame me and others into conformity.

Amen. I've been saying this to the overzealous Conservatives forever. Stop forcing your politics on me, Republicans in my life.

See how that works both ways?
 
Amen. I've been saying this to the overzealous Conservatives forever. Stop forcing your politics on me, Republicans in my life.

See how that works both ways?

I agree. It works both ways. And yes, there certainly are overbearing republicans that just need to zip it. Perhaps my perception is flawed, but it seems like opposing political views bother democrats more (ie politics is more important to liberals than religion, whereas the reverse is true for conservatives). Again, this is a generalization. I'm open to listening/reviewing data that says otherwise.

And while I agree that the figures might be lower if Trump weren't the candidate, it just seems like politics has become increasingly tribalistic in the last few years. From what I've seen on Facebook in the past few years, very, very few of my liberal friends can tolerate much of anything conservative-oriented. Constant bashing. Every day.
 
I think liberals use politics as their identity much more often than republicans
We were talking to a couple at a bar a couple of years ago. All was fine, they seemed nice, they were laughing and enjoying our company. Then out of nowhere, the lady asked us if were Trump supporters. My wife kind of shrugged her shoulders a little bit and I told the lady that we best leave politics alone. She said that she couldn't even sit at the same bar as a Trump supporter. I said that I thought that was a shame she felt that way. She asked me if I voted for Trump. I said I'd rather not say. She got up and started to leave, but her husband wasn't ready to. So she stood there with a shit look on her face while he had another beer and starting talking about football. It was too awkward to be funny at the time, but looking back, it is pretty funny.

I have definitely seen Republicans get loud and aggressive. Some of them are just as loony.
 
Obviously the numbers at one school are going to differ a bit from the national average. But do you honestly believe liberals are as tolerant as republicans in terms of being friends with those of opposing views? Let's take numbers from The Pew Research Center. 35% of Democrats say it would put a strain on the friendship - whereas just 13% of Republicans would have troubles with being friends of someone who supported the other candidate.

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For this to mean what you want it to mean, the two candidates would have to be equal. They're not. Our President is the most disliked nominee for either major party since they started polling for that. Hillary was the next most disliked over the same time. By June-July of 2017, President Trump was in office and Hillary was irrelevant.

Our President is working hard on the agenda liberals hate. No liberal agenda has any power. Our President has continued to be just as abrasive and mean-spirited, and he is setting records for lying. With that in mind, why would you expect people happy with the election's outcome and happy with the agenda being pursued to be comparable to those who are really, really disappointed in that?

You might as well show me some poll about "Should we keep walking?" then tell me it's a some huge sign of people's character when people with a rock in their shoe were less likely to say "Yes."

Just because graphs come in pretty colors doesn't mean they mean what you want them to.
 
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Perhaps my perception is flawed
It is. You are assuming the two sides are equal. They aren't. One has had almost all the power since January of 2017. The other hasn't. One party is supporting an odious President whom they see as a means to an end for their political agenda. The other isn't.

Attempting to put forth an objective case for why the other guys are worse when you're obviously partisan yourself is a sham.
 
It is. You are assuming the two sides are equal. They aren't. One has had almost all the power since January of 2017. The other hasn't. One party is supporting an odious President whom they see as a means to an end for their political agenda. The other isn't.

Attempting to put forth an objective case for why the other guys are worse when you're obviously partisan yourself is a sham.
The ONLY reason the man is sitting in the office is b/c the country was fed up after 8 yrs of previous leadership.
 
For this to mean what you want it to mean, the two candidates would have to be equal. They're not. Our President is the most disliked nominee for either major party since they started polling for that. Hillary was the next most disliked over the same time. By June-July of 2017, President Trump was in office and Hillary was irrelevant.

Our President is working hard on the agenda liberals hate. No liberal agenda has any power. Our President has continued to be just as abrasive and mean-spirited, and he is setting records for lying. With that in mind, why would you expect people happy with the election's outcome and happy with the agenda being pursued to be comparable to those who are really, really disappointed in that?

You might as well show me some poll about "Should we keep walking?" then tell me it's a some huge sign of people's character when people with a rock in their shoe were less likely to say "Yes."

Just because graphs come in pretty colors doesn't mean they mean what you want them to.

So, we have 35% of the worried liberals thinking/saying: "You support the candidate of your political party? You're such an a-hole! I can't be friends with you." Hillary and Trump both have likability issues. No party should have trust issues that come close to 3 fold of the other party. Your party claims tolerance and justice for all, yet you only embrace those who share your same views. I could show you 40 different graphs which indicate similar findings, and you'd still find a way to dismiss it. Feelings and emotions are clearly more important to you and other liberals.
 
That's largely a matter of people who seek change vs people who are cool w/ the status quo.
We should use our voting privileges to promote change. If your side loses, rally people who you may be able to get you more votes next time. Don't go yelling shame shame shame at the people who vote against your beliefs and clearly will not be changing their minds because you yelled shame at them. I think that is the basis of the conversation here. It is how people treat each other based on politics. I think it is a safe bet that if you get approached by a political nut job in public, that nut job is most likely liberal. Not every time, but mostly.
 
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