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I’ve never seen someone with as much white guilt as Datt.
#whiteguiltforever
I've never really understood what that means. It's something white people who refuse to acknowledge racial inequity always say abut white people who are interested in improving things.

And of course, it's easy and lazy to throw out there dismissively, which is all you ever do.
 
I've never really understood what that means. It's something white people who refuse to acknowledge racial inequity always say abut white people who are interested in improving things.

And of course, it's easy and lazy to throw out there dismissively, which is all you ever do.
Of course you know what it means. Don’t lie. You live your life each day feeling guilt of being white and ashamed of what those darn white people did to someone else who isn’t white centuries ago.

I’m just waiting for you to go all Kirk Lazarus and get the surgery.

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You're doing it wrong, letsgo.
The dictionary is a poor source for defining living language in social contexts, toonc.

The definitions I use in these conversations are academic and 40+ years old.
The tradition of shaking hands goes way further back than 40+ years. It is a show of peace. And your refusal to shake a man's hand due to having different political views is a show of cowardice. But you're not a coward, that's why I think you would shake my hand, Datt.
 
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The tradition of shaking hands goes way further back than 40+ years. It is a show of peace. And your refusal to shake a man's hand due to having different political views is a show of cowardice. But you're not a coward, that's why I think you would shake my hand, Datt.
My guess is he would try and open mouth kiss you. This whole non handshake thing is just a ploy to cover it.
 
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Wrong.


And why would I trust your accuracy any more on this? Like the people you always agree w/ would even register as candidates for this distinction. Eyeroll

Bert can be really insulting towards people who he disagrees with. SNU and myself can also be pretty insulting towards you in particular. But rarely if ever before you provocate it. I might be more insulting in crudeness or language. But you are insulting towards people the second you find something they say to go against your views. Which happens a lot because you are a rare bird when it comes to your views. Your snootiness is second to no one. I don't think it is only people who agree with me on certain topics that would agree.
 
Of course you know what it means.
Not fully. I don't understand why working to improve injustices is evidence of it. It seems to me like defensiveness about whiteness is more akin to what the words actually mean.

QUOTE="SNU0821, post: 27594014, member: 20092"]You live your life each day feeling guilt of being white and ashamed of what those darn white people did to someone else who isn’t white centuries ago.
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See, this just shows what a poor understanding you have of what I've said. Maybe if you actually listened you'd get it by now, but instead you dismiss everything w/o thinking about it.

I've already stated in this thread that everyone plays a role in reinforcing white supremacy (also defined in that link), including me, and that racism today is more often subconscious b/c it's ingrained in society all around us. You deny all of that stuff exists, so when I refer to racism, you have no option but to think I'm accusing you, personally, of conscientious racial animus, even though I've stated numerous times that I am not.

If it's all a bigger societal construct than the individual, why would I feel guilty for its existence, and why wouldn't I be compelled to do something about it? I mean, if you believed it existed, wouldn't you do something about it, too?
 
Bert can be really insulting towards people who he disagrees with. SNU and myself can also be pretty insulting towards you in particular. But rarely if ever before you provocate it. I might be more insulting in crudeness or language. But you are insulting towards people the second you find something they say to go against your views. Which happens a lot because you are a rare bird when it comes to your views. Your snootiness is second to no one. I don't think it is only people who agree with me on certain topics that would agree.
Again, I completely disagree and find it really pathetic that you're putting it out there like objective fact toward someone you almost always disagree with. It's kind of like snu liking all of your posts and none of mine. Of course he would. Why would I expect anything different and why would it have the slightest influence on me?
 
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I will always use the definition that 99.9 percent of people understand.
You're making up % and essentially showing that you'll only have such conversations if you get your way 100% on the ground rules, like a spoiled, privileged little brat. I've avoided pushing too hard on those definitions for racism and white supremacy for years and what did it get me? I'm done with those concessions for people who have proven they are beyond hope.
 
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Again, I completely disagree and find it really pathetic that you're putting it out there like objective fact toward someone you almost always disagree with. It's kind of like snu liking all of your posts and none of mine. Of course he would. Why would I expect anything different and why would it have the slightest influence on me?
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I've never really understood what that means. It's something white people who refuse to acknowledge racial inequity always say abut white people who are interested in improving things.

And of course, it's easy and lazy to throw out there dismissively, which is all you ever do.
Question. When it starts to rain, are you sensitive to people saying there is a black cloud coming?
 
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Bert can be really insulting towards people who he disagrees with. SNU and myself can also be pretty insulting towards you in particular. But rarely if ever before you provocate it. I might be more insulting in crudeness or language. But you are insulting towards people the second you find something they say to go against your views. Which happens a lot because you are a rare bird when it comes to your views. Your snootiness is second to no one. I don't think it is only people who agree with me on certain topics that would agree.
You equate yourself to Snu. Well nothing else to say except you are a dickhead
 
Is this page still talking about public vs private schools? If so, a lot of the private school kids I know from high school ended up being drug addicts, like a fair amount of them.
 
Is this page still talking about public vs private schools? If so, a lot of the private school kids I know from high school ended up being drug addicts, like a fair amount of them.
Sadly, drug addiction does not discriminate against race, wealth or education. Don't think this is a fair argument for or against private vs public schools.
 
Sadly, drug addiction does not discriminate against race, wealth or education. Don't think this is a fair argument for or against private vs public schools.
I know, I just wanted to make a broad generalization kind of like @KyFaninNC did. However, it was a trend I noticed.
 
Is this page still talking about public vs private schools? If so, a lot of the private school kids I know from high school ended up being drug addicts, like a fair amount of them.

And I probably knew them or know them if they went to the school on Poplar Level. Manual is a really good school though. If you went to Iroquois, you would’ve had a much different experience...
 
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And I probably knew them or know them if they went to the school on Poplar Level. Manual is a really good school though. If you went to Iroquois, you would’ve had a much different experience...
Most likely. Had some friends that went to Iroquois, and my dad actually was a teacher there from the mid 80s up until his retirement in the late 2000s. Not the greatest environment, but certainly no Valley or Shawnee.
 
Bert can be really insulting towards people who he disagrees with. SNU and myself can also be pretty insulting towards you in particular. But rarely if ever before you provocate it. I might be more insulting in crudeness or language. But you are insulting towards people the second you find something they say to go against your views. Which happens a lot because you are a rare bird when it comes to your views. Your snootiness is second to no one. I don't think it is only people who agree with me on certain topics that would agree.

Bert can be really insulting?

Thanks a lot. Damn.
 
Wait... do you think we're arguing the existence of God right now? lol

I just analyzed what you've written and how you presented it. That IS the substance and the proof. It might as well be a poster of me dunking while you gargle my nuts.

LOL that will never happen.... keep that shit out of my basket...

Not god per say but religious dogma and those that think the bible is the infallible, inerrant word of god and pretty much all the bad stuff that came from it.
 
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"Because all religions endorsed slavery, it was ok?" No dumbass. Slavery has nothing to do with religion. But religion has a lot to do with a moral compass. Can you follow logic?

I chose 250 years. That puts the date to 1759 in case you failed math. 1759 was about the time the Colonies were really getting pissed off at the Crown for taxing them out the ass and doing nothing to help with the Indian problems, restricting where they could fvcking live etc..

There were a bunch of men in the colonies who were very smart and were thinking about how one could draft laws to make a country that fair folks could really get behind. They did not want anything to do with a monarchy. They did not want a church dictating terms. They wanted FREEDOM.

Of course you are so much smarter than those dumbasses. Your IQ is far better than James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington.............. they were white, stupid and would go along with slavery so that they could create a nation and establish a Constitution that has stood the test of time. Of course at that time you could have come up with a better solution and created a country without slavery. The founders are much dumber than your brilliant ass!

You will not agree that our founders got their ideas from the bible, but they did. They also got those ideas from the revolution against the Holy Catholic church. They got those ideas from the reformation. They got those ideas from the enlightenment. They published their main work in 1789 and they got all of the States to agree to them, it is called the U.S. Constitution and was ratified in 1789.

"It sure as hell wasn't religion that freed the slaves in the US." No sir it was the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation initiated by Lincoln. But Lincoln was a religious person who felt that slavery was a sin and was evil. So I state that religion freed the slaves. Hell John Brown gave his life over slavery.

I can't believe you never took American History.

Bert I quoted scriptures for you.... All your arguments about religion fail. Its your opinion against my facts. God wouldn't be happy going against his word.

My point is religion is not a moral compass. It doesn't take a god fearing, bible thumper to realize what is moral. The constitution when it was written, didn't include blacks. All those guys pretty much owned slaves.
 
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LOL that will never happen.... keep that shit out of my basket...

Not god per say but religious dogma and those that think the bible is the infallible, inerrant word of god and pretty much all the bad stuff that came from it.
And the very basic point that you can't seem to grasp is that in addition to some terrible and shameful things, organized religions have also done some great things. You are pushing a shallow, one-sided view and it ruins your credibility as the messenger for any of the criticism organized religions deserve. That's really unfortunate, b/c they absolutely deserve criticism.
 
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And the very basic point that you can't seem to grasp is that in addition to some terrible and shameful things, organized religions have also done some great things. You are pushing a shallow, one-sided view and it ruins your credibility as the messenger for any of the criticism organized religions deserve. That's really unfortunate, b/c they absolutely deserve criticism.

It only ruins my credibility to anyone sucked in by the teachings of the bible..Anyone who has studied the bible knows what's there. I presume you haven't? If you haven't, you have no legs to stand upon. I can quote bad stuff from it all day long.. I bet there was more bad stuff accomplished in the name of religion than good stuff..... It set progress back and still aims to do so.

So you're ok with slavery, pedophiles, murder, rape, human sacrifice, symbolic cannibalism, genital mutilation, incest, using guilt to influence etc....

For someone that advocates human rights, you sure went 180 on this one...
 
It only ruins my credibility to anyone sucked in by the teachings of the bible..Anyone who has studied the bible knows what's there. I presume you haven't? If you haven't, you have no legs to stand upon. I can quote bad stuff from it all day long.. I bet there was more bad stuff accomplished in the name of religion than good stuff..... It set progress back and still aims to do so.

So you're ok with slavery, pedophiles, murder, rape, human sacrifice, symbolic cannibalism, genital mutilation, incest, using guilt to influence etc....
You've read it with a predetermined conclusion about what you would find.

Asked and answered on all those ridiculous low-hanging fruits at the end of your post. I'm embarrassed for you.

This has nothing to do with my faith. I'm perfectly willing to criticize how it is practiced. You're doing it wrong.
 
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