I see your point. I mean, people paid players for South Carolina, Washington, Alabama, Wichita St, Utah, Oklahoma St and others....but no fool would have paid a cent to the "#5 starter" on a top 3 team in the country. Noooo way!
Report: Kansas Expected to Face "Multiple Major NCAA Violations"
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I see your point. I mean, people paid players for South Carolina, Washington, Alabama, Wichita St, Utah, Oklahoma St and others....but no fool would have paid a cent to the "#5 starter" on a top 3 team in the country. Noooo way!
That's rich.
For spouting off about Maggette so much, you sure have no clue about the issues involved. Maggette was paid by his AAU coach. That is not "fine"; that makes him ineligible until the NCAA reinstates his eligibility, as it sometimes does after the player sits for a number of games. The issue, which continues to elude you, is what to do about a situation where a player was paid, it was not established that the school knew, and the player is gone. The NCAA's options were to (1) vacate NCAA titles/appearances/$$ (its precedent), (2) punish the school prospectively, or (3) do nothing. The NCAA chose to do nothing, changing its precedent in the process. It's the change in precedent in favor of Duke, a perceived golden child (right or wrong), that makes the situation so divisive.
Here's the precedent: "NCAA spokeswoman Jane Jankowski said vacating tournament finishes and returning winnings are established penalties if a school is found to have used an ineligible player. The penalties still hold even if the school did not know the player was ineligible." https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2000-04-22-0004220097-story.html. Note the date of the article, which is over 4 years before the NCAA came down with its final ruling; this is an accurate statement of the NCAA's "established penalties" at the relevant time.
Had Maggette returned to school after the NCAA learned about the payments, he would have been ineligible until reinstated. Reinstatement can come through a successful appeal overturning the decision on his ineligibility or by sitting some number of games (as Rush and others have done). Or he could have been permanently ineligible like Kanter. But he didn't return, and the NCAA changed its guidelines in a way that favored Duke (whether by design or happenstance).
So, no, the fact that Maggette was paid is not "fine." But, please, continue to bleat on this topic. Your arrogance combined with your ignorance is good spectacle.
Firstly--who knows when he received it.
Second--he's good enough to have a decade-and-running NBA career, you schmuck.
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Yrah. It was 20 years ago. Duke was found not to be involved. I am ok with that. Get over it dude. Let it go. Laettners shot counted. He tripped over a UK player. Duke win back to back titles.
You talk about hindsight after mentioning that he was undrafted. Bwahaha.
A lot of talented players go undrafted in case you hadn’t noticed. There are only two rounds. Makes it even more impressive that he’s stuck in the league this long. But you should call the Knicks and advise them to stop paying him pronto.
Btw, you never answered...do you know more than Jay Bilas about the recruiting landscape? Is he a conspiracy theorist?
I really don't think you're aware of the things you say. I feel bad, like I'm laughing at a child.
I'll stop responding to you (if for no other reason, it'll give you one less excuse to post), but I can't say I won't still laugh.
...and you didn't refute one thing @Big_Blue79 said. Very telling.
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I'm going to use the exact same defense from here on out!
You know who would do good in this thread right now?
@kyjeff1 , COME ON DOOOOWWWWN!
To save yourself some time, start around post # 210 a couple of pages back. That's where it start to ramp up.
@kyjeff1 , COME ON DOOOOWWWWN!
To save yourself some time, start around post # 210 a couple of pages back. That's where it start to ramp up.
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That's exactly how I picture Jeff.Laughing
Isn't that Aaron Paul from Breaking Bad?
Nvm. Found it.
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In a letter obtained by The Associated Press in a public-records request, infractions committee member Carol Cartwright wrote NCAA vice president of enforcement Jon Duncan last week to say the committee "will not act" on cases until Nov. 20. She also wrote that all "briefing deadlines" are on hold during that time, such as the 90 days schools or individuals have to respond to charges outlined in a Notice of Allegations (NOA).
NC State and Kansas both face discipline from the NCAA after being named in a federal criminal case involving improper payments to recruits and their families, which grew out of an FBI investigation into apparel company Adidas.
Sources have told ESPN that NCAA investigations are also underway at Arizona, Auburn, Creighton, Louisville, LSU and USC.
ESPN
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Wow, USA Today's Dan Wolken came out firing.
But make no mistake about what is happening right now: The NCAA wants Self out of college basketball, and it is firing directly at him with all the power it’s got.
Had NCAA investigators chosen to go after Self merely for looking the other way or not properly monitoring his program, he could feel a little more secure about his future in college basketball. Plenty of coaches have been popped on that technicality, served their time in the penalty box and returned to normal operation.
But the allegations against Self go much further, implicating him both directly and tacitly in the corruption that was carried out by T.J. Gassnola, a “consultant” in the Adidas grassroots basketball system who admitted in federal court that he made payments to the families of several high-profile recruits, including two who ended up at Kansas.
The bottom line to all of it is this: Over and over in the Notice of Allegations, the NCAA accuses Self and Kansas assistant Kurtis Townsend of not only knowing that Gassnola and others at Adidas were working to recruit players to Kansas but that they welcomed the help and, in some cases, actively encouraged it.
The technical sticking point Kansas will dispute is the NCAA classifying Adidas and consultants like Gassnola as Kansas boosters, which automatically turns interactions that might have seemed normal into violations.
But make no mistake about what is happening right now: The NCAA wants Self out of college basketball, and it is firing directly at him with all the power it’s got.
Had NCAA investigators chosen to go after Self merely for looking the other way or not properly monitoring his program, he could feel a little more secure about his future in college basketball. Plenty of coaches have been popped on that technicality, served their time in the penalty box and returned to normal operation.
But the allegations against Self go much further, implicating him both directly and tacitly in the corruption that was carried out by T.J. Gassnola, a “consultant” in the Adidas grassroots basketball system who admitted in federal court that he made payments to the families of several high-profile recruits, including two who ended up at Kansas.
The bottom line to all of it is this: Over and over in the Notice of Allegations, the NCAA accuses Self and Kansas assistant Kurtis Townsend of not only knowing that Gassnola and others at Adidas were working to recruit players to Kansas but that they welcomed the help and, in some cases, actively encouraged it.
The technical sticking point Kansas will dispute is the NCAA classifying Adidas and consultants like Gassnola as Kansas boosters, which automatically turns interactions that might have seemed normal into violations.
Pathetic clickbait.
Where has it been indicated that the NCAA wants him “out of college basketball?”
In fact, I highly doubt they want that.
So, I read the whole post, but I guess I still don't understand what the campaign against him is for, especially with what other coaches have participated in?
I have no interest in seeing KU and/or Self get burned.You know who would do good in this thread right now?
@kyjeff1 , COME ON DOOOOWWWWN!
To save yourself some time, start around post # 210 a couple of pages back. That's where it start to ramp up.
I'd love for their recruiting to take a slight hit so UK can scoop up their misses, but I don't want to see them lose wins or Final Fours.
I also like most of their fans on here.
@MrBaracus can suck rope for all I care though.
Well, AFAMU has an error or two in his post, it's not "could care less", it's "couldn’t care less".
As far as the jewelry thing, yeah, I THINK the NCAA looked the other way, but unlike Baracus, I refuse to make accusations based on here say and opinions. I don't know the facts, so I'll sit that one out.
But yeah, if it was UK that had the jewelry issue, we would be getting hammered by all on here. Maybe we deserve it, I don't think so, but others on here are just waiting for UK/Cal to slip up.
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If Wolken is going after Kansas then I hope they skate free for sure just to piss him off. That dude is terrible.
No one has accused ESPN's Myron Medcalf of being a Calipari or UK fan(he's had some really horrible takes((near trolling) on UK before), but he just tweeted this, and since UK has been brought up ITT in the same way...
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....I've said it before, I'll say it again.... Cal doesn't have to.
You put much stock in that? I don't, and it's certainly not enough to sustain any type of allegation, much less "conviction" (quotes b/c it's not quite accurate but close enough to make the point). Here's what I found for the quote in question, which is a variation of "everyone does it":
"Nike schools pay too," Code said in a conversation recorded by federal investigators in 2017, per Pat Forde, Pete Thamel and Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports. "It’s a corrupt space as it is and cheating is cheating. Whether I give you a dollar, 100,000, or I get your mom and dad jobs, it’s cheating. ... So in some form or fashion, Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Kentucky and all of the schools are doing something to help get kids. That’s just a part of the space."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...t-merl-code-jr-alleges-both-pay-ncaa-athletes
To me, quotes like this just confirm the obvious. That it's happening practically everywhere. Code would certainly be the one to know, and it was a private, candid moment (he thought).
Do people really believe that their team is the only clean team? Whatever is going or happened at Kansas is also happening at Kentucky, Duke, UNC, and every other big school.
I don't pretend to know anything. Until something comes out, I'll reserved judgement. I'm not going to assume anything about anyone. That's just me.
But they didn’t get caught.
Gotta figure Kansas gets 2y post season ban and vacated the last 2 years. Long show cause for self.
Thing I can’t understand is how the NCAA hits them with a level 1 for being complicit or knowing about payments to De Souza but the NCAA reinstated the kid for this season.
Those aren’t congruent
