Yeah. Paying a starter on a national title team. In what universe could that possibly happen, amirite?
Report: Kansas Expected to Face "Multiple Major NCAA Violations"
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Yeah. Paying a starter on a national title team. In what universe could that possibly happen, amirite?
Hindsight is 20/20 huh. No one on earth expected that team to win a title. Who was the PG. oh yeah, Jon Scheyer, not a PG. Stsrting C. Brian Zoubek. Stsrting PF. Lance. Neither Z or Lance brought fear to an opponent. Idiot.
Huh? The "5th starter"? WTF....I mean---What does that even mean? This isn't baseball.
The 5th starter....
They weren’t the favorite but they were clearly in the mix.
Now you’re assuming that only players who strike fear into opponents’ hearts receive money. Another stupid assumption. But hey, it’s what you do.
Huh? The "5th starter"? WTF....I mean---What does that even mean? This isn't baseball.
The 5th starter....
I chuckled at that too.
I had to read it twice...Just to make sure I read it right.
The 5th starter....
I can just hear a coach talking to the parents/recruit---"Well,your son has some potential. But right now, we see him as our 5th starter...But look, as a senior---No doubt we see him as our 2nd starter. And if he works really hard----Possibly our 1st starter...
Because you're embarrassing yourself right now. Even more than the delusional KU idiot.
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Bet you have...Well that is, until the NCAA cleared UNC.....
..But then, youre probably back to great sleeping....Court not allowing FBI evidence to be used was sweet dreams for you again...
I had to read it twice...Just to make sure I read it right.
The 5th starter....
I can just hear a coach talking to the parents/recruit---"Well,your son has some potential. But right now, we see him as our 5th starter...But look, as a senior---No doubt we see him as our 2nd starter. And if he works really hard----Possibly our 1st starter...
I feel like somehow, someway, we're drunk walking down to the "2nd place is the first loser" path. How or why it's heading that way I have no idea, but I gotta say, I'm seriously intrigued to see where this conversation heads to next.
No, Duke wasn't "cleared" because Duke wasn't on the hook in the first place in the sense that they needed to be "cleared" (whatever that means). Nobody (well, nobody important) was alleging that Duke orchestrated payments or even knew about them.
The issue was whether playing an ineligible player meant that Duke would have to forfeit games that he played in. The NCAA stated that their precedent was strict liability, i.e. forfeiting games despite no wrongdoing by the school. Rather than apply that precedent, the NCAA changed its policy and determined that a school should not forfeit games. But had Maggette returned to school, he would have had to sit out games in proportion to the payments he received (think this happened to one of the Rush brothers).
Query how that applied to Rose, who went to Memphis and not a blue blood. There were some other factors involved with Rose (NCAA told Memphis they were proceeding at their own risk at one point), but the broad strokes are similar.
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I would bet a lot of money that you wink when you post on this forum.
What's your secret? I haven't slept through the night in years! Maybe it's the sleep apnea.
Jay Bilas interview on if this could end up in Federal Court.
“Most of that stems from sort of how the NCAA handles this with regards to following their own rules of procedure.(the linked tweet above) I think in both the statement from the university and from Bill Self (indicating KU would fight NCAA allegations) you can get the picture that there is a feeling that the NCAA is trying to exert authority in this area because they were embarrassed by the FBI investigation (into corruption in college basketball recruiting), seen as being asleep at the wheel, ineffective or impotent with regard to rules, rules enforcement, awareness, things like that,”
Bilas noted that the NCAA “sort of egregiously overreached in their prosecution of North Carolina”
“I was one of those at the time that said, ‘They (NCAA officials) are way beyond their scope. They can’t win this case. I don’t know why they are doing this.’ Ultimately they wound up punting at the 1-yard line when they prosecuted North Carolina through the infractions process,”
“In a similar vein, if they were to ‘overreach’ in this case or the other cases that we are dealing with the fallout from the FBI investigation, whether it’s Arizona, Louisville or you name it, Kansas included, if they violate their own rules in trying to get the results that they want to make it look like they are tough on crime, this could wind up in federal court. That was basically what I was trying to say in that tweet.”
“The difficulty I think here in any infractions case that’s going to be brought after the FBI investigation and the criminal prosecutions (of Adidas officials) is this sort of ‘coach accountability’ rule. Basically anything that happens is going to be blamed on the head coach, absent a rebutting of the presumption that the coach is responsible for everything, reasonable or not,”
“That’s the difficulty here and in all these cases. The NCAA is basically saying because this happened, you the head coach are to blame. That is a difficult thing to overcome and it’s somewhat easy to say, but there is no sort of question of reasonableness there.
“There is a long way to go in this thing. There are allegations that have been made that need to be answered (in next 90 days by KU). Once they are answered there needs to be an appropriate hearing before this case is adjudicated. We are at the very beginning of this. There is a long way to go.”
“I don’t know exactly how it’s going to shake out, but after the Rice Commission and after the NCAA was basically embarrassed by this whole thing (FBI investigation and court cases) it feels like the NCAA is looking to take a swing at someone. But they still have to operate within their own rules. A rules based organization can’t just violate their rules to get the result they want.”
Regards to Self's response.
“Although it may sort of indicate to Kansas fans, ‘We are going to stand up for what we believe in,’ it doesn’t really do anything. It’s not going to indicate that there may be a negative result and it’s not going to get any closer to a more positive one,”
Regards to Duke holding it's own investigation
“None of it matters. You can do whatever you want, The notice of allegations has already hit (KU). You can bring in the FBI and have the FBI clear you. You’ve still got to go through the process (now). It doesn’t matter.”
“I think it’s pretty clear that the NCAA wants to be seen as being in control and being able to hand out punishment for what they feel has been transgressions and embarrassments that they’ve suffered.”
“What counts is the response to the notice and the hearing and how it’s handled from there. This is a long, long process. We are not going to be anywhere near a resolution of this until the summer. It’s going to have no bearing other than if anyone allows it to distract them … it will have no bearing on this season whatsover.”
Bilas noted that the NCAA “sort of egregiously overreached in their prosecution of North Carolina”
“I was one of those at the time that said, ‘They (NCAA officials) are way beyond their scope. They can’t win this case. I don’t know why they are doing this.’ Ultimately they wound up punting at the 1-yard line when they prosecuted North Carolina through the infractions process,”
“In a similar vein, if they were to ‘overreach’ in this case or the other cases that we are dealing with the fallout from the FBI investigation, whether it’s Arizona, Louisville or you name it, Kansas included, if they violate their own rules in trying to get the results that they want to make it look like they are tough on crime, this could wind up in federal court. That was basically what I was trying to say in that tweet.”
“The difficulty I think here in any infractions case that’s going to be brought after the FBI investigation and the criminal prosecutions (of Adidas officials) is this sort of ‘coach accountability’ rule. Basically anything that happens is going to be blamed on the head coach, absent a rebutting of the presumption that the coach is responsible for everything, reasonable or not,”
“That’s the difficulty here and in all these cases. The NCAA is basically saying because this happened, you the head coach are to blame. That is a difficult thing to overcome and it’s somewhat easy to say, but there is no sort of question of reasonableness there.
“There is a long way to go in this thing. There are allegations that have been made that need to be answered (in next 90 days by KU). Once they are answered there needs to be an appropriate hearing before this case is adjudicated. We are at the very beginning of this. There is a long way to go.”
“I don’t know exactly how it’s going to shake out, but after the Rice Commission and after the NCAA was basically embarrassed by this whole thing (FBI investigation and court cases) it feels like the NCAA is looking to take a swing at someone. But they still have to operate within their own rules. A rules based organization can’t just violate their rules to get the result they want.”
Regards to Self's response.
“Although it may sort of indicate to Kansas fans, ‘We are going to stand up for what we believe in,’ it doesn’t really do anything. It’s not going to indicate that there may be a negative result and it’s not going to get any closer to a more positive one,”
Regards to Duke holding it's own investigation
“None of it matters. You can do whatever you want, The notice of allegations has already hit (KU). You can bring in the FBI and have the FBI clear you. You’ve still got to go through the process (now). It doesn’t matter.”
“I think it’s pretty clear that the NCAA wants to be seen as being in control and being able to hand out punishment for what they feel has been transgressions and embarrassments that they’ve suffered.”
“What counts is the response to the notice and the hearing and how it’s handled from there. This is a long, long process. We are not going to be anywhere near a resolution of this until the summer. It’s going to have no bearing other than if anyone allows it to distract them … it will have no bearing on this season whatsover.”
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Now you sound exactly like the UNC posters when everyone was talking about their scandal.
Also Piggie admitted to giving him money.
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I literally spit out my coffee when I saw this.
Huh? The "5th starter"? WTF....I mean---What does that even mean? This isn't baseball.
The 5th starter....
Yep. If you watched that team. Lance was the 5th best player. An undrafted FA
Huh? The "5th starter"? WTF....I mean---What does that even mean? This isn't baseball.
The 5th starter....
Well, since you think everyone gets money, I can see where you are confused. But since Duke doesn't need to pay players like KU, I am good. Thanks.
What I do huh? What? Ask for proof and not your conspiracy theories. You are a fng loon.
Was North Carolina ever punished? Or anybody at UNC?
Where do you buy your straw? You must get a killer deal on it considering how often you resort to using those arguments.
FACTS are more amazing. Far more than speculation, opinion, etc.
What the hell does "Sort of egregiously" mean? That's like saying definitely maybe. Bilas is a hack.
Well you posed the question when referring to Duke. Carolina was never punished for anything either. Does that make them innocent in your eyes, or are you holding others to a standard that you don't hold Duke to?
Thomas
Maggette
Boozer's Dad
Duhon's mom
Zion's house
....someday the smoke will be too much to go unnoticed.
Maggette
Boozer's Dad
Duhon's mom
Zion's house
....someday the smoke will be too much to go unnoticed.
Of course it is. Both accused of misdeeds. Neither found guilty or punished. But "apples and oranges". Gotcha.Any actual proof. Nope. Thought so. Why is there not one picture of Zion’s family at that house?
...they stayed inside with a full staff of servants to tend to their every need.
Nah...not everyone. Just a shitload. You're one of the few morons who still can't get it.
From CBS Sports:
Based on Friday's report, and documents obtained therein, schools that could potentially face NCAA repercussions include: Alabama, Clemson, Creighton, Duke, Iowa State, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Maryland, Michigan State, NC State, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Seton Hall, USC, Utah, Villanova, Virginia, Washington, Wichita State Texas and Xavier.
Here are the largest dollar amounts listed for former NCAA athletes or their families, according to Dawkins' records.
- Dennis Smith, NC State: $73,500
- Jarrell Martin, LSU: $52,472.72
- Isaiah Whitehead, Seton Hall: $37,657
- Bam Adebayo, Kentucky: 36,500
- Tim Quarterman, LSU: $16,000
- Diamond Stone, Maryland: $14,303
- Markelle Fultz, Washington: $10,000
- Kyle Kuzma, Utah: $9,500
- Edmond Sumner, Xavier: $7,000
- P.J. Dozier, S. Carolina: $6,115
- Apples Jones (mother of KU star Josh Jackson): $2,700
- Jaron Blossomgame, Clemson: $1,100
- Fred VanVleet, Wichita State: $1,000
- Brian Bowen, South Carolina (formerly of Louisville): $7,000
- Bennie Boatwright, USC: $2,000
- Chimezie Metu, USC: $2,000
- Eric Davis, Texas: 1,500
- Miles Bridges' mother: $400
- Wendell Carter's (Duke) mother: amount not specified
- Collin Sexton, Alabama: amount not specified
- Kevin Knox, Kentucky: amount not specified
And these are just players linked to Dawkins. Sure would appear that more than a few players are involved in this, wouldn't it?
Former Dukie Jay Bilas is outspoken about how widespread it is. I'm sure you know more than him, and he's just a conspiracy loon, too.
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Duke is clean. North Carolina is dirty as hell and the NCAA covered it up.
-Loser on his 7th account
You have a very selective believability standard. You believe what you want to be true and disregard all others.Nah...not everyone. Just a shitload. You're one of the few morons who still can't get it.
From CBS Sports:
Based on Friday's report, and documents obtained therein, schools that could potentially face NCAA repercussions include: Alabama, Clemson, Creighton, Duke, Iowa State, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Maryland, Michigan State, NC State, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Seton Hall, USC, Utah, Villanova, Virginia, Washington, Wichita State Texas and Xavier.
Here are the largest dollar amounts listed for former NCAA athletes or their families, according to Dawkins' records.
Here are the eight current players or those players' families who are listed in Dawkins' docs:
- Dennis Smith, NC State: $73,500
- Jarrell Martin, LSU: $52,472.72
- Isaiah Whitehead, Seton Hall: $37,657
- Bam Adebayo, Kentucky: 36,500
- Tim Quarterman, LSU: $16,000
- Diamond Stone, Maryland: $14,303
- Markelle Fultz, Washington: $10,000
- Kyle Kuzma, Utah: $9,500
- Edmond Sumner, Xavier: $7,000
- P.J. Dozier, S. Carolina: $6,115
- Apples Jones (mother of KU star Josh Jackson): $2,700
- Jaron Blossomgame, Clemson: $1,100
- Fred VanVleet, Wichita State: $1,000
- Brian Bowen, South Carolina (formerly of Louisville): $7,000
- Bennie Boatwright, USC: $2,000
- Chimezie Metu, USC: $2,000
- Eric Davis, Texas: 1,500
- Miles Bridges' mother: $400
- Wendell Carter's (Duke) mother: amount not specified
- Collin Sexton, Alabama: amount not specified
- Kevin Knox, Kentucky: amount not specified
And these are just players linked to Dawkins. Sure would appear that more than a few schools/players are involved in this, wouldn't it?
Former Dukie Jay Bilas is outspoken about how widespread it is. I'm sure you know more than him, and he's just a conspiracy loon, too.
Doesn't mean they were a favorite to win it. Maybe I should have said, people with a high basketball IQ did not have them winning it.
I sure didn't.
Nice deflection. When you have no proof, deflect.
Look forward to your actual proof of your accusations
This, coming from you?No idea what you're even talking about. I'm the one who has never hid from the fact that Self was working with Gassnola to get recruits and likely knew about payments. Or that Townsend is shady.
You're the one who says that there's 0% chance that Zion or Lance Thomas accepted benefits.
So, tell me, do you know more than Bilas about the college basketball landscape?
