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Wow, if Arkansas sucks, what does that say about UK

You haven't proven me wrong. You simply said that I was wrong.

Let's try this. Are you not concerned at all about Kentucky's chances of making a run in the tournament?
I did. I clearly proved that Bignish was being hypocritical. I laid it out very simply for you. He applies a standard to a Duke loss that he refuses to apply to a UK loss. Even he wouldn't admit otherwise.

Everyone should be concerned about their team making a run in March. Nobody is dominant in my eyes (UConn would have the best case to say otherwise). UKs defense needs to improve, but I still firmly believe they are a final four contender.

Duke plays in an awful conference, but guess what, I still think Duke is a final four contender.

Not sure what your question has to do with Bignish completely owning himself and applying one standard to Duke and not to UK...
 
You didn't upset me at all, you just made yourself look so much worse. You tried to cut on a UK fan and it backfired, because you smoked too much weed.
I'm actually embarrassed for you. Get help.
What do I need help for?

What kind of Dr do you recommend.
 
He's one player and its a team sport. The rest of the roster besides DJ Horne is very mediocre.
But he dominated duke's front court. Aren't you the same guy that was shitting on UK's front court because they didn't have a post up threat (they actually do). No front court has dominated UK's like the pork chop did last night. One guy did that.
Big Z isn't a good defender at all man, he's a complete liability on that end of the floor besides a few blocks when he anticipates right. Ugo is better but he still bites on fakes and doesn't have great lateral quickness.
UK has 3 better rim protectors than anything duke has. Z gets better every game, but still, UK has three 7 footers that can all do different things. Again, check Baylor's 2021 roster, their center was 6'5". There is no set formula for wining. Matchups matter.
Guards have no issues driving into the paint and scoring vs UK or drawing fouls.
UK dictates the tempo, in high possession games, you'll have dribing lanes exposed. Again, I'm glad you're here to point out UK's flaws, but the weird thing is, I never said they didn't have flaws. You're over here trying to favorably compare duke to UK and I'm just telling you, duke has more flaws than UK does and UK's ceiling is higher.
Neither team is winning the title, so I don't even see the need for this discussion tbh.
Purdue lost to Nebraska on the road on Jan 9th so almost 2 months ago and the Huskers are 34th on KenPom.

The ORSU and Stanford losses are bad for Zona no doubt. They definitely are vulnerable defensively but nowhere near as vulnerable as UK and Zona's offense is just as good if not slightly better than UK's.
The only teams I trust, are Houston and Tennessee and even those two teams gave holes. I don't trust Purdue, because they depend on one guy and he gets taken out by mid teams too often. I don't trust UConn either. They have dudes, but they aren't beating lesser teams.like they should. Something doesn't sit right with me there. I just don't think they get the job done this year.
Duke plays at a much slower tempo and adjusted pace than UK.

We're 242nd in adjusted tempo, 158 in average possession of length on offense and 314th in average possession of length on defense.
Correct. I think they pass the ball well and I think they shoot it well, but they don't do anything that jumps off the page. They’re a good, sound basketball team, but teams that push tempo and play physical, will be a problem for duke. I'm not hating, just giving my thoughts.
UK is 14th in adjusted tempo, 21st in average possession of length on offense and 63rd in average possession of length on defense.
We'll see what UK is on a neutral court. They are very explosive.
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Duke is 7th in the country in Adjusted Offense, UK is actually 8th on KenPom. We're one of the best shooting and scoring teams in the country.
Check UK's shooting percentages. UK has a guy that shoots north of 50% from 3 and 2 others that are in the low to mid 40's and now Edwards is getting hot.
You need to learn to troll better. You can't just post absurdly stupid takes, its not even fun then.
Why do you think I'm trolling? I've been on defense this entire thread. Again, read the thread title.
 
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I did. I clearly proved that Bignish was being hypocritical. I laid it out very simply for you. He applies a standard to a Duke loss that he refuses to apply to a UK loss. Even he wouldn't admit otherwise.

Everyone should be concerned about their team making a run in March. Nobody is dominant in my eyes (UConn would have the best case to say otherwise). UKs defense needs to improve, but I still firmly believe they are a final four contender.

Duke plays in an awful conference, but guess what, I still think Duke is a final four contender.

Not sure what your question has to do with Bignish completely owning himself and applying one standard to Duke and not to UK...
Your opinions are subjective and not facts. Your opinion that he was being hypocritical doesn't really add up. You're just upset that a Duke fan has the audacity to make reasonable observations about Kentucky. I agree that the OP, especially the thread title, is stupid as shit and hypocritical. But the content that Nish has delivered, albeit homerism, has not been hypocritical. IMO, of course. I am not going to be so snooty as to say that I have proven you wrong, just by saying that you're wrong.

My question was relevant because if you see Kentucky's defense as a concern, then why are you wasting so much time bitching about a Duke fan saying the same thing, just with so many more words? Some fans tend to be overly defensive and dramatic. You seem to fit that mold.
 
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Your opinions are subjective and not facts. Your opinion that he was being hypocritical doesn't really add up. You're just upset that a Duke fan has the audacity to make reasonable observations about Kentucky. I agree that the OP, especially the thread title, is stupid as shit and hypocritical. But the content that Nish has delivered, albeit homerism, has not been hypocritical. IMO, of course. I am not going to be so snooty as to say that I have proven you wrong, just by saying that you're wrong.

My question was relevant because if you see Kentucky's defense as a concern, then why are you wasting so much time bitching about a Duke fan saying the same thing, just with so many more words? Some fans tend to be overly defensive and dramatic. You seem to fit that mold.
Because Nish is in here pointing out UK's flaws and not only ignoring duke's flaws, but making excuses for why duke lost to certain teams, or certain things happened that created situations where duke didn’t look so good. But he doesn’t apply those same excuses to UK.
 
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You definitely need a proctologist. There's a handful of South Carolina fans on here that can put you on a plan.
You seem to have a fetish for men’s assholes.

Anything you would like to share.
 
Your opinions are subjective and not facts. Your opinion that he was being hypocritical doesn't really add up. You're just upset that a Duke fan has the audacity to make reasonable observations about Kentucky. I agree that the OP, especially the thread title, is stupid as shit and hypocritical. But the content that Nish has delivered, albeit homerism, has not been hypocritical. IMO, of course. I am not going to be so snooty as to say that I have proven you wrong, just by saying that you're wrong.

My question was relevant because if you see Kentucky's defense as a concern, then why are you wasting so much time bitching about a Duke fan saying the same thing, just with so many more words? Some fans tend to be overly defensive and dramatic. You seem to fit that mold.
You are way off base...you haven't read this thread closely enough.

I have never once complained about Nish saying UKs defense sucks. Where have I done that? Again, you are wrong. Haven't even had a conversation with him close to that topic. The great thing is all these posts are documented. So feel free to go back and show me where I did that. Either you have me confused with another UK fan, or you are making things up that are 100% false.

Second, you don't find it hypocritical for him to excuse Duke losing to a WF team (that just lost to three awful teams in a row and is on the wrong side of the bubble) due to it being WFs Super Bowl and playing out of their minds...yet when UK beats a very talented Ark team that has underperformed massively this yr but played out of their minds against UK, he says that shows UK isn't a contender because they had a close game to Ark and should have blown them out??

You don't see the hypocrisy in that? You can't pick and choose who you apply that standard to...has to be applied across the board.
 
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Total bullshit. First of all, very few people even talk about KU here.

LOL

Second of all, the ampunt of shit thrown at UK and UK fans on here, is a thousand times what KU, or any other school gets.

I've seen a lot of SEC fans shitting on Kentucky lately. Aside from that, it sounds like your vagina's talking again. Maybe you should work on being less annoying and obnoxious if it offends your delicate sensibilities this much?

Get over it, nobody cares that much about KU. Even when I compliment KU and/or Self, you ignore it.

"Whaaaat? How could anyone think I'm a KU hater???" Two seconds later: "Nobody cares that much about KU." Nice self-own. 😂 🤣

It would be a lot more accurate to say that no one outside of SEC country cares that much about Kentucky these days. Which is why attention-starved nancies like you make so many "look at me" posts. Maybe win more than 1 tourney game in 5 years before you talk shit.


Lastly, there are two threads on the first page here that has anything to do with KU. With the exception of a couple posts (one from a Michigan fan), the rest of us make complimentary, or excusatory posts about Kansas. If we compare the comments in these threads to the shit you spew about UK and UK fans, it's not even close. You hate people that do exactly what you do, only you do it daily on here.

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LOL. Two examples that allegedly support your point? I could dig up a lot more than two UK-related threads that either have zero posts by me or no "attacks." Brilliant logic as always.
 
At the end of the day, you have Duke & Kansas fans in an Arky/UK thread desperately crying out for attention. While pathetic, it is also laughable.
 
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Will do.

Btw, do you think others read your novel posts.
Yes and quite honestly, you should too.
Maybe you should do a little reading before you post. Can you figure out why I'm saying that?
 
It's 2024 and ya'll are still responding to phil seriously. Get help
 
Which is why you keep hiding behind the phrase "Quad 1 games". You know that playing Pitt on the road is not equal to playing legit competition. Playing Auburn, UT, usc and Florida, all on the road, is a much steeper challenge than playing at Pitt, or at VT. When you actually compare the teams that duke and UK have played, you see why duke only has 6 losses. Y'all have lost to almost every legit team you have faced. UK has actually beaten teams that are in the top 10/top 25.
What do you mean by "hiding" behind the Quad system? Duke has played 3 elite teams this year, beat Baylor but lost to Arizona and @UNC.

We haven't gotten any other chances but we'd be favored against Florida at home or on the road, favored at USC at home or on the road, favored @ Mississippi St, favored at home vs Alabama.

The only games Duke wouldn't be favored in vs the mighty SEC is @UT and @Auburn.

UK has gotten a shit load of opportunities to face good teams and has blown most of those games. You're 7-7 in Quad 1 and 2 games man those are the facts. You've got a few elite wins like @Auburn and vs UNC but you didn't capitalize vs other good to great teams.

Pitt is an NIT team, just stop. So is Wake.
You realize that judging whether a team is tournament worthy is based on their resume right? Pitt has some bad losses and doesn't have enough marquee wins to get in unfortunately. They're 2-6 vs Quad 1 teams while USC is 4-3.

Their metrics put it right on par with a bunch of other tourney teams too. They are just as good. South Carolina has pulled out a bunch of close games they could've lost so credit to them.

On a neutral floor, Pitt and USC would be a Pick'Em game according to Vegas. You can keep masturbating to the Cocks all you want but it doesn't change reality.

I'm usung common sense when I look at South Carolina. I don't know why they are rated 47th in the NET, but I know this, they only have 5 losses on the season and they have won at Tennessee, held UK to 64 points, beat Florida and could beat UT again tonight. They have a defense that is ridiculously hard to score on. That’s a good team and unlike Pitt, usc will be in the tournament and they will advance.
What common sense are you using? Efficiency metrics don't take into account wins and losses. They're a true measure of a team since they consider offensive and defensive efficiency adjusted for SOS and tempo.

A worse team can beat a better team twice in a season but based on how the teams do the rest of the season, the worse team isn't all of a sudden better.

If UT loses to the Cocks tonight again, I won't concede that South Carolina is better than UT and neither will you nor should you.

Okay, why do we care? If they get in the tournament, they will win if they are any good.
Pitt won't get into the tournament though based on their resume unless they make the Finals of the ACCT or something.

I'm a homer? And you're not??? There is one FF threat in the BIG10 this year. Illinois could make a case, hut other than that, the BIG 10 is way down. I don't see how this can be argued.
I don't consider myself a homer but reasonable minds can disagree. However you clearly have an SEC bias that's not supported by the facts and metrics.

I've been bragging about aTm and Alabama??? Really??? When? I've been braghing on usc, Florida, Auburn and UT. I have put UK below those 4.
Now, I took Alabama in our avatar bet, I wish I hadn't. I should have said UK, UT, Fla and Auburn. Alabama shoots themselves out of games, but they're still good.
Really you think UK is worse than Florida and the USC Cocks?

Lay off the drugs dude.

Schedules matter. If UK had an easier schedule, they wouldn’t have 8 losses. Seriously, UK played KU (missing entire front court), uNC, @Florida, Miami, @SC, @Auburn, @LSU, @Arkansas, @Mississippi St, Alabama, Florida again, Tennessee, Gonzaga and UK still has to play @ UT on Saturday. Most teams are going to lose a good amount of those games. UK actually won some of those games, but lost some chippies. Kinda like duke losing at home to Pitt and on the road to Wake.
I disagree since UK is not a consistent elite team that takes care of business vs lower tier competition and just loses a few games to solid teams and then goes .500 vs other good teams.

UK has losses to UNCW at home, A&M on the road, LSU on the road and almost dropped games to Mississippi St, St. Joe's and Arkansas both at home and on the road.

You could play in a weaker conference and have the same or worse record. You're not really just dropping games to elite teams besides vs UT and KU. You can lose to anyone if they happen to outscore you.

Duke lost at home to Pitt without 2 starters and Pitt for the millionth time is at minimum a solid team. Losing to Wake on the road is simply not a bad loss.

Would I criticize UK for losing on the road @ Florida or Mississippi St? Of course not!!


They’re much better now than earlier. Again, Michigan State sucks, but they blew Baylor's doors off. Play Baylor now and the outcome will be much different.
You can say whatever you want but I just discredited you. They actually had Langston Love when they played Duke.

Play Duke again and Baylor likely loses again since Duke is an even better team now, is more talented and has shown even greater improvement than Baylor.

And UK's wins are more impressive. Stop trying to hide behind the bullshit quad system. Sorry but playing on the road at Pitt and Wake, is not the same as playing on the road at Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, Mississippi State, South Carolina, or even at home against those teams. Again, Pitt is not even making the tournament. It's not the same competition.
Wake Forest is on par with Florida and Mississippi State.

Pitt's on par with South Carolina.

Every efficiency metric agrees with me on this and would just make you look foolish if you keep arguing this point.
No, you're missing the point. Auburn doesn’t lose at home, they hadn't lost there in 3 years, UK smacked them good.
Also, it's not just the fact that UK's best 5 wins are better than duke's best 5, it looks to me like duke doesn’t have a single win that is better than ANY of UK's top 5 wins.
Yes we do, Duke's win vs Baylor is better than all of UK's wins except for 2: @Auburn and vs UNC.

Um, 20? No, I'd venture it would be about the same, 13 points, but that doesn't mean shit. I don't care about point spreads.
How much was duke favored by when they lost to Lehigh and Norfolk State? Point spreads don't mean shit.
No it wouldn't. Duke is #7 on KenPom and has a significant efficiency rating advantage over Kentucky of 6 points.

UK is closer to Pitt than it is to Duke.

Now, I'll end with this. I'm not saying UK is a title, or FF contender. In fact, John Calipari is washed and isn't capable of such feats anymore. This all started because the OP drank a glass of stupid and you joined in. To me, the whole thing is stupid. You don't talk smack when you lost to the team in question. UK won the game by 9. It wasn't perfect, but they won the damn game.
Look I agree that our resident Duke moron shouldn't have started this thread. I saw it and commented since I thought UK's performance was concerning for a team the media was hyping up as a sleeper Final 4 pick.

When did I say shit about Georgia? You're making shit up. Arkansas is physical team. Duke lost to Arkansas and Arkansas didn’t have their best player.
I mean, what are you trying to argue here? You're trying to say duke wouldn’t lose to Arkansas, BUT THEY DID.
I'm saying Arkansas pulled off a major upset vs Duke that's not repeatable the next day let alone 4 months later when Duke is a much better team.

Why is this so hard to understand? UNCW beat UK @ Rupp. I bet they'd be 15+ point underdogs even the next day let alone now when UK has improved

Its concerning that in March when UK should be peaking they had a terrible defensive game plan and effort vs Arkansas.

Duke isn’t elite, you might think they are, but they are not on the same top shelf with Purdue, UConn, Houston and Tennessee.

Duke lost to Arkansas, Pitt and Wake Forest. Duke hasn’t beaten a ranked team this calendar year and you're trying to put them up on a pedestal. I see no impressive wins all season long for duke. Just stop man.
I disagree and Torvik backs me up. Duke is a top 5 team alongside those 4 teams you mentioned now. It wasn't a month ago but its peaking both offensively and defensively at the right time.

Since February 1st:


You're bringing up losses that happened months ago that have no relevance now. Duke is destroying all the solid teams its facing which is impressive.

I'd be more impressed with UK if it lost that road game to Auburn but blew out LSU and Arkansas by 20+ and Mississippi St by 10+.
 
What do you mean by "hiding" behind the Quad system? Duke has played 3 elite teams this year, beat Baylor but lost to Arizona and @UNC.

We haven't gotten any other chances but we'd be favored against Florida at home or on the road, favored at USC at home or on the road, favored @ Mississippi St, favored at home vs Alabama.

The only games Duke wouldn't be favored in vs the mighty SEC is @UT and @Auburn.

UK has gotten a shit load of opportunities to face good teams and has blown most of those games. You're 7-7 in Quad 1 and 2 games man those are the facts. You've got a few elite wins like @Auburn and vs UNC but you didn't capitalize vs other good to great teams.


You realize that judging whether a team is tournament worthy is based on their resume right? Pitt has some bad losses and doesn't have enough marquee wins to get in unfortunately. They're 2-6 vs Quad 1 teams while USC is 4-3.

Their metrics put it right on par with a bunch of other tourney teams too. They are just as good. South Carolina has pulled out a bunch of close games they could've lost so credit to them.

On a neutral floor, Pitt and USC would be a Pick'Em game according to Vegas. You can keep masturbating to the Cocks all you want but it doesn't change reality.


What common sense are you using? Efficiency metrics don't take into account wins and losses. They're a true measure of a team since they consider offensive and defensive efficiency adjusted for SOS and tempo.

A worse team can beat a better team twice in a season but based on how the teams do the rest of the season, the worse team isn't all of a sudden better.

If UT loses to the Cocks tonight again, I won't concede that South Carolina is better than UT and neither will you nor should you.


Pitt won't get into the tournament though based on their resume unless they make the Finals of the ACCT or something.


I don't consider myself a homer but reasonable minds can disagree. However you clearly have an SEC bias that's not supported by the facts and metrics.


Really you think UK is worse than Florida and the USC Cocks?

Lay off the drugs dude.


I disagree since UK is not a consistent elite team that takes care of business vs lower tier competition and just loses a few games to solid teams and then goes .500 vs other good teams.

UK has losses to UNCW at home, A&M on the road, LSU on the road and almost dropped games to Mississippi St, St. Joe's and Arkansas both at home and on the road.

You could play in a weaker conference and have the same or worse record. You're not really just dropping games to elite teams besides vs UT and KU. You can lose to anyone if they happen to outscore you.

Duke lost at home to Pitt without 2 starters and Pitt for the millionth time is at minimum a solid team. Losing to Wake on the road is simply not a bad loss.

Would I criticize UK for losing on the road @ Florida or Mississippi St? Of course not!!



You can say whatever you want but I just discredited you. They actually had Langston Love when they played Duke.

Play Duke again and Baylor likely loses again since Duke is an even better team now, is more talented and has shown even greater improvement than Baylor.


Wake Forest is on par with Florida and Mississippi State.

Pitt's on par with South Carolina.

Every efficiency metric agrees with me on this and would just make you look foolish if you keep arguing this point.


Yes we do, Duke's win vs Baylor is better than all of UK's wins except for 2: @Auburn and vs UNC.


No it wouldn't. Duke is #7 on KenPom and has a significant efficiency rating advantage over Kentucky of 6 points.

UK is closer to Pitt than it is to Duke.


Look I agree that our resident Duke moron shouldn't have started this thread. I saw it and commented since I thought UK's performance was concerning for a team the media was hyping up as a sleeper Final 4 pick.


I'm saying Arkansas pulled off a major upset vs Duke that's not repeatable the next day let alone 4 months later when Duke is a much better team.

Why is this so hard to understand? UNCW beat UK @ Rupp. I bet they'd be 15+ point underdogs even the next day let alone now when UK has improved

Its concerning that in March when UK should be peaking they had a terrible defensive game plan and effort vs Arkansas.


I disagree and Torvik backs me up. Duke is a top 5 team alongside those 4 teams you mentioned now. It wasn't a month ago but its peaking both offensively and defensively at the right time.

Since February 1st:


You're bringing up losses that happened months ago that have no relevance now. Duke is destroying all the solid teams its facing which is impressive.

I'd be more impressed with UK if it lost that road game to Auburn but blew out LSU and Arkansas by 20+ and Mississippi St by 10+.
Ugh, this is too much work.
 
But he dominated duke's front court. Aren't you the same guy that was shitting on UK's front court because they didn't have a post up threat (they actually do). No front court has dominated UK's like the pork chop did last night. One guy did that.
Scheyer's game plan was to leave DJ Burns single covered and keep our guards glued to our shooters. It worked out brilliantly since none of the NC St guards like Horne or Morsell ever got into any rhythm and flow and Burns got tired in the 2H and Duke coasted.

Its a basketball game. You're not beating teams 80-20 so you're giving up points to someone whether that's a big man or a guard.

UK has 3 better rim protectors than anything duke has. Z gets better every game, but still, UK has three 7 footers that can all do different things. Again, check Baylor's 2021 roster, their center was 6'5". There is no set formula for wining. Matchups matter.
3 rim protectors? 🤣

You don't even have 1. Protecting the rim isn't just having a bunch of shotblockers who produce highlight reels. Its about having positional awareness, knowing when to switch and when to help, how to use your height to bother shots but not foul, etc.

Arkansas hit 54% from the field on 2 point FGs and made 34 FGs. That's insane.

UK dictates the tempo, in high possession games, you'll have dribing lanes exposed. Again, I'm glad you're here to point out UK's flaws, but the weird thing is, I never said they didn't have flaws. You're over here trying to favorably compare duke to UK and I'm just telling you, duke has more flaws than UK does and UK's ceiling is higher.
Neither team is winning the title, so I don't even see the need for this discussion tbh.
Duke absolutely doesn't have more flaws than UK does. How can you argue this when Duke is like 75 spots higher in defensive efficiency?

The only teams I trust, are Houston and Tennessee and even those two teams gave holes. I don't trust Purdue, because they depend on one guy and he gets taken out by mid teams too often. I don't trust UConn either. They have dudes, but they aren't beating lesser teams. Like they should. Something doesn't sit right with me there. I just don't think they get the job done this year.
The champion will come from UT, Houston, Arizona, Purdue, UConn, Duke, Marquette, Creighton or UNC.

Correct. I think they pass the ball well and I think they shoot it well, but they don't do anything that jumps off the page. They’re a good, sound basketball team, but teams that push tempo and play physical, will be a problem for duke. I'm not hating, just giving my thoughts.
What is supposed to jump off the page? They play good team basketball.

We'll see what UK is on a neutral court. They are very explosive.
They are.

Check UK's shooting percentages. UK has a guy that shoots north of 50% from 3 and 2 others that are in the low to mid 40's and now Edwards is getting hot.
I know. UK goes on some random scoring droughts though and Cal doesn't draw up good shots for the Cats out of timeouts and out of bounds plays.

Also UK is a mediocre offensive rebounding team.
 
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