OT 2020 NFL general discussion thread.

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Similar team?

even without Brady, they added Suh, AB, Gronk, Fournette, not sure on JPP. I know those guys aren’t in their prime sans fournette, but they are all hall of gamers sans fournette and they aren’t exactly over the hill either, based on their play.

Im not even trying to shit on Brady, his history speaks for itself, but TB added a bounty over the offseason and during the season.

Their team is loaded from top to bottom. No team that isn’t chock full of talent is going to do that to the Chiefs. Mahomes had never lost by more than one score and almost never loses period.

They have the best receiving corps in the league. Top 5 O-line. Solid RBs. Great DL. Great LBs. Solid secondary.

Mahomes and a number of QBs would murder teams with that roster.

Call him the GOAT, fine. But let’s call it what it is. He’s an immobile 43-yr-old with declining arm strength who wormed his way into the perfect situation.

 

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Their team is loaded from top to bottom. No team that isn’t chock full of talent is going to do that to the Chiefs. Mahomes had never lost by more than one score and almost never loses period.

They have the best receiving corps in the league. Top 5 O-line. Solid RBs. Great DL. Great LBs. Solid secondary.

Mahomes and a number of QBs would murder teams with that roster.

Call him the GOAT, fine. But let’s call it what it is. He’s an immobile 43-yr-old who wormed his way into the perfect situation.

This is where I was 15 years ago. It was always the Patriots and Belichick, and Brady was getting more credit then he deserved.

 

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Is Brady as good as Mahomes or Rodgers? Of course not. But, the guy was still 9th in the league in QBR, 3rd in passing yards, and 3rd in passes over 20 yards. He's declining a bit, but still very much elite.

 

[JimboBBN]

Is Brady as good as Mahomes or Rodgers? Of course not. But, the guy was still 9th in the league in QBR, 3rd in passing yards, and 3rd in passes over 20 yards. He's declining a bit, but still very much elite.

And probably the only guy on the planet that could have led a franchise like Tampa Bay to the Super Bowl.

 

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And probably the only guy on the planet that could have led a franchise like Tampa Bay to the Super Bowl.

Except for Brad Johnson, of course. 😂🤣

 

[JimboBBN]

Except for Brad Johnson, of course. 😂🤣

Tom Brady or a historically great defense!

 

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Tom Brady or a historically great defense!

Nah. Defenses, receivers and O-lines are unimportant.

Only QBs win games.

 

[JimboBBN]

Nah. Defenses, receivers and O-lines are unimportant.

Only QBs win games.

Salty Brady haters will salty Brady hate. All good guy, maybe next year you guys can get the Brady monkey off your back.

 

[JimboBBN]

I think Brady is going to have a redemption year.

4000+ yards and 40+ touchdowns

Rack

 

[bMORE607]

Kansas City has 3 1st team all pros and 2 2nd team all pros with 7 pro bowlers.
Tampa has 0 1st team, and 2 2nd team with 1 pro bowler. But we're supposed to believe Tampa was this loaded, all time team.

And that's just the players. KC has 2 time Sb champ Andy Reid, Eric Bieniemy who some consider one of the best coordinators in the game, and Steve Spagnuolo who has 2 SB wins as well as a coordinator.

Tampa has Bruce Arians, who now has 3 SB wins, 1 as a head coach. This was Byron Leftwich and Todd Bowles first SB wins as coordinators.

 

[JimboBBN]

Kansas City has 3 1st team all pros and 2 2nd team all pros with 7 pro bowlers.
Tampa has 0 1st team, and 2 2nd team with 1 pro bowler. But we're supposed to believe Tampa was this loaded, all time team.

And that's just the players. KC has 2 time Sb champ Andy Reid, Eric Bieniemy who some consider one of the best coordinators in the game, and Steve Spagnuolo who has 2 SB wins as well as a coordinator.

Tampa has Bruce Arians, who now has 3 SB wins, 1 as a head coach. This was Byron Leftwich and Todd Bowles first SB wins as coordinators.

The thing is, none of us are sitting here saying Brady at this age is the best QB talent wise or better than Rogers or Mahomes current day. What we are saying, is that talent and game play alone wasn’t enough to take this Tampa team to the super bowl and win it.

We have never seen something like this in football, where one guy comes along and changes the entire culture of the franchise. To the point where you can be historically awful in terms of being a sports team, and turn it around in ONE season with limited time and resources to prepare.

But you have people like Baracus who are blinded by bias, and any credit given to Tom is taken as a slight to his guy.

 

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The thing is, none of us are sitting here saying Brady at this age is the best QB talent wise or better than Rogers or Mahomes current day. What we are saying, is that talent and game play alone wasn’t enough to take this Tampa team to the super bowl and win it.

We have never seen something like this in football, where one guy comes along and changes the entire culture of the franchise. To the point where you can be historically awful in terms of being a sports team, and turn it around in ONE season with limited time and resources to prepare.

But you have people like Baracus who are blinded by bias, and any credit given to Tom is taken as a slight to his guy.

Yep and that's what I said early, I was in the same boat. At some point you have to give Brady credit. That guy is the GOAT. And this bending over backwards by the media to defend Mahomes' pedestrian performance is already getting old. Receivers dropping balls and shoddy O-line play, welcome to the club asshole.

 

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Salty Brady haters will salty Brady hate. All good guy, maybe next year you guys can get the Brady monkey off your back.

Yep. Chiefs are already the favorites, despite Brady having a lot more talent around him. That's what Vegas thinks of 43-year-old Brady.

Guess I just don't see why fans of other teams would adore Brady. Other than wanting to be affiliated with a winner, of course. The corny dad next door persona is a facade. He's an entitled whiner who points the finger at everyone but himself in the few moments that don't go his way. He taunts and brags and his camp puts out fake apologies to ensure his reputation stays pristine.

 

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Kansas City has 3 1st team all pros and 2 2nd team all pros with 7 pro bowlers.
Tampa has 0 1st team, and 2 2nd team with 1 pro bowler. But we're supposed to believe Tampa was this loaded, all time team.

And that's just the players. KC has 2 time Sb champ Andy Reid, Eric Bieniemy who some consider one of the best coordinators in the game, and Steve Spagnuolo who has 2 SB wins as well as a coordinator.

Tampa has Bruce Arians, who now has 3 SB wins, 1 as a head coach. This was Byron Leftwich and Todd Bowles first SB wins as coordinators.

You really think Pro Bowl is the best gauge of a team's talent? Do you think Frank Clark earned his selection this year?

So do you disagree that Tampa was loaded in terms of receiving options? Do they not have one of the top O-lines? Is their defense not loaded, especially at LB and DL?

 

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You really think Pro Bowl is the best gauge of a team's talent? Do you think Frank Clark earned his selection this year?

So do you disagree that Tampa was loaded in terms of receiving options? Do they not have one of the top O-lines? Is their defense not loaded, especially at LB and DL?

Did you not see All Pros listed before pro bowlers? No your receiving options of Hill, Kelce, Watkins and Hardman are better than Godwin, Evans, Gronk and Antonio Brown. You had two first team all pros in your receiving core and they had two guys who weren't even playing last year.

 

[JimboBBN]

Yep. Chiefs are already the favorites, despite Brady having a lot more talent around him. That's what Vegas thinks of 43-year-old Brady.

Guess I just don't see why fans of other teams would adore Brady. Other than wanting to be affiliated with a winner, of course. The corny dad next door persona is a facade. He's an entitled whiner who points the finger at everyone but himself in the few moments that don't go his way. He taunts and brags and his camp puts out fake apologies to ensure his reputation stays pristine.

I don’t think I agree with your second paragraph. Everything I read about him from teammates or reporters that know him say he is a real genuine guy off the football field. But of course I can’t prove that.

It’s no secret my NFL team sucks and has for most of its history. For me, I just appreciate greatness. I used to hate LeBron but as I’ve gotten older, I’ve become more aware that we won’t see a player like that probably ever again. So why not appreciate him while he’s here? Brady has been in the NFL for as long as I can remember watching football. It’s awesome he’s been this accomplished, even beating the Panthers in 2004 and making me cry as a kid.

You can say what you want about the Bucs but they were lost before Brady got there and besides having a top 5 historical defense in 2002, they have no postseason success. Give credit where credit is due, or take any compliments to Brady as a slight to your QB and team.

 

[bMORE607]

Brady is a massive whiner, but at the end of the day he's also a winner. Also let's not act like Mahomes isn't turning into a diva looking for calls. Chiefs won the Super bowl last year, got to the SB this year, and are favorites for next years, and you're having a meltdown. You're not going to find a lot of sympathy here.

 

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Did you not see All Pros listed before pro bowlers? No your receiving options of Hill, Kelce, Watkins and Hardman are better than Godwin, Evans, Gronk and Antonio Brown. You had two first team all pros in your receiving core and they had two guys who weren't even playing last year.

Hardman can't run routes. Watkins just came back from an injury and barely played. Hill and Kelce are great, but four good options is better than two. And the two can't be properly utilized if your QB is running for his life as soon as the ball is snapped.

Gronk and Brown scored all three of their receiving TDs and caught over half the receptions, and you're saying they're washed up?

Regardless...why are you only addressing receivers? Is the Bucs' front 7 not miles better? Was their O-line not a million times better?

 

[bMORE607]

RollLaugh Absolute meltdown. This is better than a @hawkit3113 troll job of IU or PU fans causing a meltdown.

 

[GhostOf301]

I get to root for Garoppolo. Yay

 

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RollLaugh Absolute meltdown. This is better than a @hawkit3113 troll job of IU or PU fans causing a meltdown.

If this is a meltdown, I guess I've been in a continuous meltdown for a good while. I was sick of the Brady dickgobbling years ago.

If Lebron's rolling out there with a gray beard and can't dunk anymore, on a Hornets team consisting of Curry, AD, KD and Harden, I'm not going to say he turned that shit franchise around.

 

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If this is a meltdown, I guess I've been in a continuous meltdown for a good while. I was sick of the Brady dickgobbling years ago.

I mean...if Lebron's rolling out there with a gray beard and can't dunk anymore, on a Hornets team consisting of Curry, AD, KD and Harden, I'm not going to say he turned that shit franchise around.

We own you.

 

[bMORE607]

If this is a meltdown, I guess I've been in a continuous meltdown for a good while. I was sick of the Brady dickgobbling years ago.

I mean...if Lebron's rolling out there with a gray beard and can't dunk anymore, on a Hornets team consisting of Curry, AD, KD and Harden, I'm not going to say he turned that shit franchise around.

They went 7-9 last year and added Brady, Joe Haeg, Lsean McCoy, and Leonard Fournette from free agency. They also traded for Gronk (who was out of football last year) and Steve McLendon. They were 11-5 for the year.

Stop crying and acting like they are going to be remembered as one of he best teams ever. They were an above average team that caught fire late.

 

[JimboBBN]

He’s lost his mind. He just compared the Bucs roster to 5 of the best players in the game. His team is more comparable to that than the Bucs RollLaugh and Brady still beat them.

 

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They went 7-9 last year and added Brady, Joe Haeg, Lsean McCoy, and Leonard Fournette from free agency. They also traded for Gronk (who was out of football last year) and Steve McLendon. They were 11-5 for the year.

Stop crying and acting like they are going to be remembered as one of he best teams ever. They were an above average team that caught fire late.

All of their scores in the SB were by dudes that were added. Yet they averaged more yards last year with a shitty QB.

They're a young team that kept getting better, and by the end of the season their defense was light years better than last year's. Completely different team. Hell, they even overcame Brady going full Winston in Green Bay.

Never said it was one of the greatest teams ever. All I said was that a lot of QBs would have won that game.

 

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All of their scores in the SB were by dudes that were added. Yet they averaged more yards last year with a shitty QB.

They're a young team that kept getting better, and by the end of the season their defense was light years better than last year's. Completely different team. Hell, they even overcame Brady going full Winston in Green Bay.

Never said it was one of the greatest teams ever. All I said was that a lot of QBs would have won that game.

Dude has been to 10 Super bowls. A great team dragging a shitty QB to a Super bowl happens every once in awhile. Like Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Rex Grossman, not 10 times. It's fvcking ironic btw that you called Brady a whiner and you're still in full meltdown mode.

 

[GhostOf301]

All I said was that a lot of QBs would have won that game.

The only thing we know for certain is that Brady is the QB that won that game. Who is to say that another QB wouldn't have shit down his leg and thrown 2 pick sixes and threw in a fumble or two?

 

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He’s lost his mind. He just compared the Bucs roster to 5 of the best players in the game. His team is more comparable to that than the Bucs RollLaugh and Brady still beat them.

Exaggeration. Losing your mind is comparing this Bucs team to last year's or bringing up their history. They were Vegas favorites going into the draft last year.

How many Chiefs players start for TB?

 

[JimboBBN]

Exaggeration. Losing your mind is comparing this Bucs team to last year's or bringing up their history. They were Vegas favorites going into the draft last year.

How many Chiefs players start for TB?

Interesting that you said going into the draft. A simple google search shows them with the fifth best odds to win last years super bowl. And absolutely none of the talking heads picked them to win.

Updated Super Bowl odds 2020: Chiefs, 49ers, Buccaneers among the top Super Bowl 55 contenders | Sporting News

Updated Super Bowl odds for 2020

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Chiefs have arguably the best tight end, receiver, and QB in football. Good enough to beat everyone but.. wait for it... Tom Brady. Pats or Buccaneers. But I’m sure you’ll tell me those Patriots teams were so loaded too Laughing

 

[bMORE607]

Exaggeration. Losing your mind is comparing this Bucs team to last year's or bringing up their history. They were Vegas favorites going into the draft last year.

How many Chiefs players start for TB?

You think maybe their odds jumped because they had signed Brady. No can't be, he's old and washed up and was just along for the ride.

 

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Not sure what happened to the Patriots. They looked like a solid team a few weeks ago.

Although I’ve always thought that the “genius” of Belichick was highly overrated. A HOF QB + elaborate cheating schemes can win you a lot of games. He’s sub-.500 before and after Brady.

Interesting

 

[JimboBBN]

Interesting

Not that I can prove it, but I’ve always been on the Brady > 50 percent of the credit between him and Belichick. Nothing Bill had done before Tom made me believe he was the more obvious reasons they won games.

 

[bMORE607]

Not that I can prove it, but I’ve always been on the Brady > 50 percent of the credit between him and Belichick. Nothing Bill had done before Tom made me believe he was the more obvious reasons they won games.

I think the 2 decades of dominance was a combination of those two plus playing in a shitty division helped. It was like a perfect storm.

 

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Dude has been to 10 Super bowls. A great team dragging a shitty QB to a Super bowl happens every once in awhile. Like Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Rex Grossman, not 10 times. It's fvcking ironic btw that you called Brady a whiner and you're still in full meltdown mode.

I never called him a shitty QB or said he was dragged to 10 SBs. I said he's 43 and isn't what he was a few years ago. Definitely isn't what he was 10-15 years ago. The decline started to become pretty obvious last year. But shocker....you give a guy one of the greatest TEs in history, three great WRs and a top O-line and he looks solid again.

Not sure what's so controversial about this. I've heard it from plenty of people, including Chris Simms.

 

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Interesting that you said going into the draft. A simple google search shows them with the fifth best odds to win last years super bowl. And absolutely none of the talking heads picked them to win.

Updated Super Bowl odds 2020: Chiefs, 49ers, Buccaneers among the top Super Bowl 55 contenders | Sporting News

Updated Super Bowl odds for 2020

www.google.com

Chiefs have arguably the best tight end, receiver, and QB in football. Good enough to beat everyone but.. wait for it... Tom Brady. Pats or Buccaneers. But I’m sure you’ll tell me those Patriots teams were so loaded too Laughing

I said going into the draft.

Yes, the Chiefs have three great offensive players. Do the other 19 starters not matter? How many Chiefs would start for Tampa?

 

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Interesting

That's not inconsistent with anything I've said.

 

[JimboBBN]

I said going into the draft.

Yes, the Chiefs have three great offensive players. Do the other 19 starters not matter? How many Chiefs would start for Tampa?

It’s close to half, without going over every detail. Assuming both teams are healthy. More from the Chiefs offense and more from the Bucs defense. According to PFF, the Bucs finished five and Chiefs 11 as far as offensive lines, check mark to QB and weapons on Kansas City. Bucs front four and linebackers. It’s close in the secondary.

 

[bMORE607]

Full blown meltdown. There were a couple chief fans on tMB that I thought would have this type of meltdown, then again one just disappeared so I guess that counts

 

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It’s close to half, without going over every detail. Assuming both teams are healthy. More from the Chiefs offense and more from the Bucs defense. According to PFF, the Bucs finished five and Chiefs 11 as far as offensive lines, check mark to QB and weapons on Kansas City. Bucs front four and linebackers. It’s close in the secondary.

First off, why would you go by when they're healthy? When the Chiefs were relatively healthy, they kicked Tampa's asses. All that matters is who they put on the field last Sunday.

The offensive line that KC trotted out for the SB was the worst in the league. You saw it. None of them would start for TB. On defense, Jones would start and probably two guys from the secondary. Tampa's linebackers are better by a mile.

That leaves you with a total of 6 out of 22, and that's if you include Mahomes. But since Brady owns Mahomes and is the only QB who could carry that sad franchise, you'd obviously start Brady. So, 5 it is.

 

[JimboBBN]

First off, why would you go by when they're healthy? When the Chiefs were relatively healthy, they kicked Tampa's asses. All that matters is who they put on the field last Sunday.

The offensive line that KC trotted out for the SB was the worst in the league. You saw it. None of them would start for TB. On defense, Jones would start and probably two guys from the secondary. Tampa's linebackers are better by a mile.

That leaves you with a total of 6 out of 22, and that's if you include Mahomes. But since Brady owns Mahomes and is the only QB who could carry that sad franchise, you'd obviously start Brady. So, 5 it is.

You can spin it however you like and exaggerate things. I don’t think anyone would argue with you Kansas City was healthier in that game. However, injuries happen to every team. And we could go back to every Super Bowl ever and there will be significant injury for at least one team. That’s just football. A few injuries to your offensive line doesn’t erase a 22 point butt kicking.

I just find it interesting Mahomes can beat everyone but Brady. The Patriots were a trash roster last time they played in the post season and what happened?