Zags giving Saint Mary's everything they can handle
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Looks to me like the 1s are gonna be 3 ACC schools and UK. Aka, the best 4 teams.
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
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I don’t think seed is just about being good. A better seed is a reward for what you’ve done. And who you’ve played and beaten is a big part of that.
FWIW, I think there’s an good argument that it should just be about how good you are as well.
The other part is that I think duke loses 1 game against that schedule. UNC 1 game or undefeated. Uk 1 or 2 games. Virginia 1 game. And I think that’s the other issue.
No, it's not. You're being obtuse. My entire argument is that they've played an extremely weak schedule and have 1 solid win the entire season.
Quit bringing up IU, as if that's even a valid comparison. IU has like 27 losses.
So that’s what you’re considering a “really good” win? A win over potentially the number 74 team in NET?
I wasn’t trying to be a smart ass about Gonzaga. I was trying to get a better understanding of what you were counting as a really good win. I was thinking over teams ranked in the top 12 or so.
Isn’t that what they do? Load up in their non-con? Seems like they play a very tough non-con schedule most years.
Borden, with all these teams that should of won their conference tournament losing, are you getting worried Indiana may not make it?
Also, fwiw, UK doesn’t have 9 more quad 1 wins than Gonzaga.
Ehh, I was exaggerating. We do have the opportunity to potentially pick up 3 more this weekend though. Lol
Eh, it was their rival. Rivals are tough. If UNC doesn't beat Duke Friday (if they meet) it shouldn't be held against them too much. It is a rivalry game in a precursor tournament.
As an aside (nothing against Kentucky at all), I really don’t think beating a team like Arkansas, Providence, or Colorado should be a quad 1 win, even on the road. 75 seems like too much. Maybe top 50 on the road.
HUh? Wait, now....You are discarding Gonzaga because of their schedule, SOS, conference, etc, et...... How is bring up IU not a valid comparison? What, you don't think IU could have won the WCC? YOu don't think IU having 14 losses had anything to do with playing in the Big 10? You think IU would have 14 losses if they were in the WCC? Of course its valid. You are chastising GU 30 wins b/c of their schedule. So how is me using IU not valid? Indiana's SOS blows Gonzaga's out of the water. So which is it???? Does SOS matter, or not?
And then we'd get to hear how they were under seeded when they beat a 1 seed in the SW 16. And God forbid the NCAA put a 30-3, GU in UK's bracket----As a 4 seed.....Jesus. Some of these same UK fans arguing against them right now, would have a God damn stroke.
Ima be honest .. I don't understand what your argument is. Pretty much everyone agrees Gonzaga doesn't have the resume to be a 1 seed. That's my last response, because it's clear you want to argue.
Oh and I agree with Wolken.
My point is simple....You are arguing SOS, conference schedule, etc, etc....And OK, fine. So I asked----What argument does IU have, then? Compare IU's resume to GU's. Not as a 1 seed, of course....But as an at-large. If Gonzaga's SOS is so underwhelming, and should keep thej m from a 1...then why cannot I not argue that IU, who has a much stronger SOS, plays in a much tougher conference, should be a god damn lock for the NCAAT.
In other words, if SOS is that meaningful, then why is IU sweating?
I'm gonna love it when GU rolls into Minny.....THis team is really good.
JUst curious----WTF is the difference of being a 1 or a 2? And if you are a serious national title contender, then you are a serious 1 seed contender. I love Dykes...but that is such a stupid ****ing post.
I actually think a 2 seed is generous. 4-3 quad 1. There are at least 8 teams with a better quad 1 record.
Just got back from the Gonzaga/Saint Mary's game. Very uninspiring performance. I've been building the Zags up a little too much, but I still think they're capable of a very deep run. Not sure how the highest rated offense in the country managed to shoot just 37% against a Saint Mary's team which has an okay defense, but it's certainly not anything elite.
Got within 8 feet of Sean Farnham on the baseline. He's a lot bigger than I would have anticipated. Got a good 3-4 inches one me.
Got within 8 feet of Sean Farnham on the baseline. He's a lot bigger than I would have anticipated. Got a good 3-4 inches one me.
Even more strange ...
Gonzaga beat SMC by 48 points previously, but only scored 47 points tonight. That's nuts!
Funny thing is, Gonzaga actually beat Saint Mary's by 48 points earlier in the season. Idk, maybe the Zags are better off with Petrusev in the lineup instead of Tillie?
Where would you seed a team that is 30-3, and beat a full, 100% Duke team? You say a 2 is generous. Ok. So lets say a 4. Let me ask you this.....How do you think the fan base of a 1 seed would react seeing a 4 seed Gonzaga in their bracket? Even better, what would your reaction be if they were a 4 in UK's bracket?
I mean its crazy. Al I hear is how good they are....Final Four contedners.....Nationl Title contenders. But no way are they a 1-seed.
Do what? Its like saying a horse is a Kentucky Derby winning type of horse. But no way is it a Top 4 horse. That's just stupid, flawed logic.
I’m sure passengers are now switching seats on jimmys jet as we speak
I'd be thrilled with a 7. Means IU won the BTT.
TBH, I think IU ends up as an 11 seed. And with the how this team is playing, I wouldn't mind that. Hell wouldn't surprise me if the NCAA puts IU in as a 12, and ships us to Dayton
.First things first, though...Gotta beat OSU, or its NIT.
But he leaves out where they played Tenn, Duke, North Carolina, Arizona and Pac-12 Champ Washington. Not GU's fault Zona ended up sucking ass. I mean, who else played Duke, Tenn and UNC, out of conference? That is three, Top 4'ish teams. I get they went 1-2 vs those 3. But lets not act as if they were totally out classed. Fvck they never trailed versus Duke....Lost to Tenn by 3. Lost at UNC by 13.
This shit is comical...
Exactly what? What----that they lost @ UNC? Same place Duke went to and lost? Or that they lost to UT, by 3, on a neutral floor? Same UT team just went 15-3 in the SEC? Or how about the "one" win------ over Duke. A game they never trailed in. Led by as many as what---17? Same Duke that beat UK by 600. They also beat Arizona....beat a 16-2, Pac-12 champ Washington.
Keep on sleeping on them. And then watch as they roll into the Elite 8. THis is a really good team, that simply had a really, really bad night. It happens.
Kentucky went 2-2 vs Duke, UNC and Tenn.
Gonzaga went 1-2 vs that same schedule.
Difference's? They played @ UNC.....UK played UNC on a neutral site. Gonzaga didn't get a return home game vs UT as well.
Oh, and they didn't lose to Duke by 70 either.
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
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Two questions. Why are you driving your husband's tractor, and what compelled you to come to Iowa to do it?Meanwhile, in Iowa...
I think it’s pretty clear that the teams in the top 5 other than Gonzaga have been challenged week in and week out and have gotten better as the season has gone on(outside of the injuries). Gonzaga has been playing a bunch of D2 teams and it hasn’t prepared them worth a damn. That’s the price you pay for playing in a shit conference.
The first part is a good point. And why I said I think there’s a case for seeding teams on how good they are versus who they’ve played and beaten. But I think a lot of teams would look a lot better with Gonzaga’s schedule. And at the end of it all the odds of winning it are much better as a 1 seed than a 2. Actually there’s a better chance of a 1 seed winning it than all other seeds combined.
A rival that has 11 total losses and plays in a shit conference. Zags won by 48 in Spokane and 14 at SMC 10 days ago. At the very least SMC just exposed Gonzaga at the worst possible time. A bad team holding the best offense in the nation under 50 is not a good look heading into Selection Sunday.
Now compare their conference SOS.Kentucky went 2-2 vs Duke, UNC and Tenn.
Gonzaga went 1-2 vs that same schedule.
Difference's? They played @ UNC.....UK played UNC on a neutral site. Gonzaga didn't get a return home game vs UT as well.
Oh, and they didn't lose to Duke by 70 either.
That was a bad loss by the Zags. Completely dominated. And it's late in the season. For those reasons, I think there's 4 teams better and should be seeded better than the Zags.... But there's still basketball to be played by the others. So unless some of the other contenders fall flat on on their faces like the Zags, Zags will be a 2 or should be at this point. Due to strength of their schedule and how they were utterly dominated last night. I didn't mind seeing them as a 1, until after last night.
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