and you refuse to acknowledge just how young this team is.
when your top 5 scorers are 3 SO's and 2 FR. you and others expect perfection from day 1.
*Official* 2017-2018 B1G In-Season Thread
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when your top 5 scorers are 3 SO's and 2 FR. you and others expect perfection from day 1.
The problem is not how young the team is, it's that basically everyone that came back somehow got worse defensively
I have learned to never bet parlays.
My bet tonight, broskis:
MSU -14
Note: This isn't because I think IU sucks, but rather I think MSU should come out pissed and ready to go, and I think their advantages along the front line will be too much.
My bet tonight, broskis:
MSU -14
Note: This isn't because I think IU sucks, but rather I think MSU should come out pissed and ready to go, and I think their advantages along the front line will be too much.
Nickel and dime nickel and dime. **** the parlays.
When I finally made up my mind to stay off parlays my experience quickly improved. Great decision!
Poor shooting team. Senior guard play has been horrific. Known to give up wide open 3 point opportunities. Thin in the post, especially with De'Ron Davis out the year.
With that said after the 2nd half Wisconsin debacle this team has been playing much, much better. Morgan has been fantastic. Robert Johnson is averaging 18.5 PPG in this stretch. Turnovers are way down. The defense in the Northwestern game was the best I have seen from an IU team in a long time.
If Sparty gets Morgan in foul trouble this one could be over in a hurry. Its a tough matchup with Ward, JJJ and Bridges. IU doesn't have the capability to guard all three.
I mean they can be fun. Hit a $15 dollar that pays $350 or something like that, but go in knowing that you are most likely losing that $15.
Belein has probably the 2nd best, 3rd at worst, resume in the conference.
Hes won at Texas, vs UCLA, vs Maryland, and @ MSU already.
When we are talking about them getting better, its going from really good to great.
Frans team has been atrocious this year despite all the talent hes amassed at Iowa.
Belein is a vastly, vastly superior coach to Fran McCaffrey.
It really does feel like Sparty may dumptruck early tonight similar to Purdue-Wisconsin. Not trying to troll just being honest - going to be an uphill climb on the road for the ecer improving Hoosiers tonight.
I decided not to the touch the line. My heart says IU can give them a game (see Rutgers), but my mind knows better. IU will need to keep Juwan and Justin Smith in the game. If they get into foul trouble, I do not seen Freddie and Clifton getting the job done.
Funny that you mention Clifton, if thats #22 I am very intrigued by him getting more minutes and seeing just how good he can be. Regardless of how IUs season goes from here on out, should be fun to see just how far down the rabble hole #22s talent goes.
Perfection? Aren’t you the one who predicted Iowa not losing at home during conference play?
Truth...very fun but a losing proposition. When the book loves taking parlays that should be the biggest hint to avoid them.
Clifton is just physically weak. He couldn't bang with Freddie, De'Ron or McRoberts to get rebounds, so he wasn't getting minutes. Now he has to, so it should be a good time to learn. He was mentioned as a potential NBA prospect during the alternate Jordan game last spring. The kid has some skill just needs to get stronger. His family did not want him to redshirt and that would have been the best thing for him.
Anyone here seen or know anything about this guy?
Trying to help the staff out here with recruiting:
Antonio Williams is a JUCO PG averaging 15.8 ppg for an undefeated Indian Hills team.
http://indianhills.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/bios/williams_antonio_1tp7
Trying to help the staff out here with recruiting:
Antonio Williams is a JUCO PG averaging 15.8 ppg for an undefeated Indian Hills team.
http://indianhills.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/bios/williams_antonio_1tp7
Can't help it...makes me chuckle every damn time.
I don't gamble at a sportsbook anymore but used to have an NFL parlay strategy that was successful for me. I'd look for four slight dogs each week that I felt had a solid shot to win. I'd then do essentially a 3 team box of the money line on those 4 games (4 bets) for $10 each. If three of the four dogs won, my $40 bet would pay between $90 and $110 (depending on the money line). If all four won (which happened about once a year), my $40 bet would pay between $360 and $450.
You aren't getting rich with that strategy but for me it was a good way to fund my other bets.
I am small time. I start with $100 and see where that takes me. Obviously as that amount goes up so do the bets. Since October I am probably right around even. Maybe made some maybe lost some. I haven't really wanted to keep track to this point. I just like the fact that my establishment right next to my apartment is friendly on passing out drink tickets.
If Bridges stays content shooting threes it will certainly help. Can't believe Izzo hasn't fixed that yet.
Keeping the turnovers down is a must, can't feed the MSU transition game.
RJ has been fantastic as of late. He has to have another good game for IU to have a chance.
Impressive turnaround for IU from the way they looked early. Archie having an effect.
nitewing, YOUR expectations for Iowa FAR exceeded anyone else's expectations for Iowa this year. Preseason you were predicting a top 3 finish in the B1G, NCAA top 6 seed, and undefeated at home for the hapless Hawks. Most of us took issue with it. Who was right?
I watched him play for 3 mins the other day and thought OK he will be in the NBA one day barring injury.
MSU is struggling right now, and our next 3 are IU at home, @ILL, and Wisky at home.
Should be a good time to work out the kinks. 3 weak teams right there. Although Illinois is going to upset a top tier B1G team at home I think. Shit they should have beat Michigan.
Should be a good time to work out the kinks. 3 weak teams right there. Although Illinois is going to upset a top tier B1G team at home I think. Shit they should have beat Michigan.
With the Purdue Boilermakers (18-2, 7-0) coming into Iowa City, IA to face the moribund Iowa Hawkeyes (10-10, 1-6), it’s almost useless to write a pregame summary/prediction of sorts. But here I go.
Purdue = great
Iowa = bad
Weird things happen in college sports. Especially on the road. Especially on the road at 11:00 AM local time. I won’t give the Hawkeyes zero chance of winning this game but the cards are stacked against them. The keys have been pretty much the same the last couple of weeks: rebound, defend with some effort, give a crap. They’d be the same for tomorrow’s game, too.
So I wanted to take a look at the past, present, and future to see what Fran McCaffery needs to sort out if he wants any sort of success next year or beyond at Iowa. It’s a piece I did not expect to write coming into this season. I was super high on this bunch and expected at least a top-half finish in conference with a potential push into the top four. They’re nowhere near that right now and will need to do a lot of work to get into the top half next year.
Past
Perhaps the greatest misdirection of Fran’s tenure is “depth.” Iowa does not need it to be good. Really, no college team does. If you’re championship-caliber, you’ll play 40ish 40-minute games (1600 total minutes) over 5 months and do not need depth on a game-to-game basis. Certain matchups and game situations will dictate the use of it, of course, but it is not a year-on-year requirement for greatness.
After last season, I went through Fran’s tenure on KenPom to compile his “rotations.” The crux: if you received more than 15% of available minutes, you’re a part of the rotation.
2011: 9-player rotation, 4 over 60% of available minutes
2012: 9-player rotation, 2 over 60%
2013: 10-player rotation, 2 over 60%
2014: 11-player rotation, 2 over 60%
2015: 9-player rotation, 3 over 60%
2016: 9-player rotation, 5 over 60%
2017: 11-player rotation, 2 over 60%
2018: 11-player rotation, 2 over 60%
Does Iowa need 11 Big Ten-caliber players to run McCaffery’s desired style at a high level? Almost certainly not. In Iowa’s 3-year NCAA Tournament stretch, he only used it once, before Devyn Marble, Zach McCabe, and Melsahn Basabe graduated. Jarrod Uthoff, Peter Jok, and Anthony Clemmons saw their roles increase substantially while Dom Uhl played about 25% of available minutes his freshman year.
Frankly, the fewer players you have in your rotation, the clearer the responsibilities are and the easier it is for kids to learn their responsibilities. Basketball isn’t rocket science so there’s no sense over-complicating it to the point that it feels like rocket science.
It was also beneficial in 2014, 2015, and 2016 to have much more veteran squads. The 2014 team had 1.89 weighted years experience (127th in the country) according to KenPom while 2015 and 2016 were at 2.11 (45th) and 2.13 (55th). This number, barring something seriously unforeseen, will go up next year.
Present
Being that Iowa is currently at an 11-player rotation and has two kids coming in (three if you consider Connor McCaffery) and only Dom Uhl (not even a part of those 11) slated to leave, something is going to give.
Fran should waste no time in building next year’s rotation. Those are the breaks of the game. It sucks but this season is lost. It’d be best to limit the damage to only through March.
Iowa has been at their best when they can go both big and small. Right now, Iowa is hampered by the depth of the frontline to go small ever. But that should not stop McCaffery from experimenting. Play Nicholas Baer more at the 4 with Jordan Bohannon and two other guards of your choice. What is the worst that can happen? Certainly nothing worse than what’s already transpiring!
And if you’re gonna go big, why not commit to it and have Tyler Cook at the 3? Find someone who is going to be the Aaron White (garbage man) to Tyler Cook’s Jarrod Uthoff (highly-skilled offensive player) or vice versa (with Luka Garza as the hyper-efficient Adam Woodbury, of course).
Overall, Iowa needs to come out of this season with 6-8 building blocks for next year. Focus on developing their roles this year to help Fran understand what each guy can do, and what they need to work on in the offseason, to set 2018-19 up for success.
Future
Next year, it’s safe to say both Joe Wieskamp and Connor McCaffery will join the “building blocks” decided upon this year. With attrition likely, Fran needs to turn to the grad transfer market for help. There were plenty of guards - both star players from low- to mid-majors and role players from major schools - available last year. Iowa doesn’t need to find more than a secondary ballhandler who can hit threes. Those are available.
Beyond that, Iowa needs to go all in on a point guard for the 2019 class. DJ Carton is going to be a tough get but there is another guard emerging from the Des Moines area Iowa is targeting. Though “attitude issues” have dogged Tyreke Locure’s profile, his speed and tenacity are elements this Iowa team sorely needs. Ideally, they get both Iowa PGs since it seems all other guard offers are unlikely.
The linked offer list highlights the difference between Fran’s recruiting style and others’: it is super heavy on forwards, including Pat McCaffery. It is a guard’s game and we are learning that more than ever this season.
Outside of roster composition, I hope Fran does some introspection about his defensive philosophies and teachings. Some guys are playing out of position and an overworked Jordan Bohannon isn’t able to give requisite defensive effort at times but too often this team looks completely lost and lazy. Culturally, Iowa needs to commit to that side of the floor.
Overall, I like Fran McCaffery and still think he is the man for the job. This season’s disappointment, however, can lead to one of two things: entrenchment in current ways or deep introspection about how to improve. By committing to a shorter rotation, providing clearer roles for players to build from, transitioning to a more guard-oriented roster, and improving defensively Iowa can become a more sustainable basketball program.
Purdue = great
Iowa = bad
Weird things happen in college sports. Especially on the road. Especially on the road at 11:00 AM local time. I won’t give the Hawkeyes zero chance of winning this game but the cards are stacked against them. The keys have been pretty much the same the last couple of weeks: rebound, defend with some effort, give a crap. They’d be the same for tomorrow’s game, too.
So I wanted to take a look at the past, present, and future to see what Fran McCaffery needs to sort out if he wants any sort of success next year or beyond at Iowa. It’s a piece I did not expect to write coming into this season. I was super high on this bunch and expected at least a top-half finish in conference with a potential push into the top four. They’re nowhere near that right now and will need to do a lot of work to get into the top half next year.
Past
Perhaps the greatest misdirection of Fran’s tenure is “depth.” Iowa does not need it to be good. Really, no college team does. If you’re championship-caliber, you’ll play 40ish 40-minute games (1600 total minutes) over 5 months and do not need depth on a game-to-game basis. Certain matchups and game situations will dictate the use of it, of course, but it is not a year-on-year requirement for greatness.
After last season, I went through Fran’s tenure on KenPom to compile his “rotations.” The crux: if you received more than 15% of available minutes, you’re a part of the rotation.
2011: 9-player rotation, 4 over 60% of available minutes
2012: 9-player rotation, 2 over 60%
2013: 10-player rotation, 2 over 60%
2014: 11-player rotation, 2 over 60%
2015: 9-player rotation, 3 over 60%
2016: 9-player rotation, 5 over 60%
2017: 11-player rotation, 2 over 60%
2018: 11-player rotation, 2 over 60%
Does Iowa need 11 Big Ten-caliber players to run McCaffery’s desired style at a high level? Almost certainly not. In Iowa’s 3-year NCAA Tournament stretch, he only used it once, before Devyn Marble, Zach McCabe, and Melsahn Basabe graduated. Jarrod Uthoff, Peter Jok, and Anthony Clemmons saw their roles increase substantially while Dom Uhl played about 25% of available minutes his freshman year.
Frankly, the fewer players you have in your rotation, the clearer the responsibilities are and the easier it is for kids to learn their responsibilities. Basketball isn’t rocket science so there’s no sense over-complicating it to the point that it feels like rocket science.
It was also beneficial in 2014, 2015, and 2016 to have much more veteran squads. The 2014 team had 1.89 weighted years experience (127th in the country) according to KenPom while 2015 and 2016 were at 2.11 (45th) and 2.13 (55th). This number, barring something seriously unforeseen, will go up next year.
Present
Being that Iowa is currently at an 11-player rotation and has two kids coming in (three if you consider Connor McCaffery) and only Dom Uhl (not even a part of those 11) slated to leave, something is going to give.
Fran should waste no time in building next year’s rotation. Those are the breaks of the game. It sucks but this season is lost. It’d be best to limit the damage to only through March.
Iowa has been at their best when they can go both big and small. Right now, Iowa is hampered by the depth of the frontline to go small ever. But that should not stop McCaffery from experimenting. Play Nicholas Baer more at the 4 with Jordan Bohannon and two other guards of your choice. What is the worst that can happen? Certainly nothing worse than what’s already transpiring!
And if you’re gonna go big, why not commit to it and have Tyler Cook at the 3? Find someone who is going to be the Aaron White (garbage man) to Tyler Cook’s Jarrod Uthoff (highly-skilled offensive player) or vice versa (with Luka Garza as the hyper-efficient Adam Woodbury, of course).
Overall, Iowa needs to come out of this season with 6-8 building blocks for next year. Focus on developing their roles this year to help Fran understand what each guy can do, and what they need to work on in the offseason, to set 2018-19 up for success.
Future
Next year, it’s safe to say both Joe Wieskamp and Connor McCaffery will join the “building blocks” decided upon this year. With attrition likely, Fran needs to turn to the grad transfer market for help. There were plenty of guards - both star players from low- to mid-majors and role players from major schools - available last year. Iowa doesn’t need to find more than a secondary ballhandler who can hit threes. Those are available.
Beyond that, Iowa needs to go all in on a point guard for the 2019 class. DJ Carton is going to be a tough get but there is another guard emerging from the Des Moines area Iowa is targeting. Though “attitude issues” have dogged Tyreke Locure’s profile, his speed and tenacity are elements this Iowa team sorely needs. Ideally, they get both Iowa PGs since it seems all other guard offers are unlikely.
The linked offer list highlights the difference between Fran’s recruiting style and others’: it is super heavy on forwards, including Pat McCaffery. It is a guard’s game and we are learning that more than ever this season.
Outside of roster composition, I hope Fran does some introspection about his defensive philosophies and teachings. Some guys are playing out of position and an overworked Jordan Bohannon isn’t able to give requisite defensive effort at times but too often this team looks completely lost and lazy. Culturally, Iowa needs to commit to that side of the floor.
Overall, I like Fran McCaffery and still think he is the man for the job. This season’s disappointment, however, can lead to one of two things: entrenchment in current ways or deep introspection about how to improve. By committing to a shorter rotation, providing clearer roles for players to build from, transitioning to a more guard-oriented roster, and improving defensively Iowa can become a more sustainable basketball program.
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not hardly as this was my post reguarding wining the BT
GO 9-0 AT HOME AND STEAL AS MANY ON THE ROAD to win the BT
but as usual you and others twist my post into absolutes of what Iowa WAS GOING TO DO vs WHAT THEY WERE/ARE DOING.
That's literally what you try to do to everyone you don't agree with...which is pretty much everyone.
lie much
preseason prediction 4-5 4th at best.
the home record prediction was what they [HAD] to do [NOT] what they were going to do.
BIG F'n difference.
the 6th was based on ending in 4th or 5th. tell you what go find my post where I posted what you claim that I posted.
before the season began the lineups with backup was supposed to look like with EVERYBODY HEALTHY.
1 SO Bohannon backup JR Williams
2 RSSO Moss RSJR Ellingson
3 RSJR Baer [although I was thinking that SR Uhl would get the job]
4 SO Cook backup SO Pemsl
5 SO Kreiner backup FR Garza
with these left
JR Wagner
SO Dailey
FR Nunge
FR Connor who was planning to RS to concentrate on Baseball
backup JR Williams quit the team 1 week before the 1st OOC game so the 1st key backup was gone.
this led to Backup Ellingson who had never played the point as Bohannon's backup. this meant that the RS for Connor was going to be needed to be pulled.
the PROBLEM is Connor would miss the 1st 10 games of the season and played in just 4 games.
he may not play again this season as the last time he was in the hospital he lost 15 lbs. Connor was also the highest rated recruit in the 17 class.
Ellingson as the backup PG DIDN'T work out and Dailey was thrust into that position after Connor started having Health issues. the Dailey experiment looks to be working better than most expected or hoped.
Baer missed the 1st 6 games because of a broken finger, this caused him to come in out of shape.
FR Nunge was forced to play the 3 and for a time was avg'ing 2 spg and 9 ppg, and is the 5th leading scorer coming off the bench.
FR Garza took the starting spot at the 5 after Kriener took a blow to the head and damn near had his face ripped off in the PSU game.
FR Garza is the 4th leading scorer at 10.5 ppg, 2nd leading rebounder @6.5 rpg and leading shot blocker @1.3 bpg. if he keeps that up he should make the 1st All BT FR Team
Wagner was injured earlier and has not recovered and he started the last 19 games last season,
this has caused this team to go down hill with all the injuries that has shook up the starting 5, just 3 games ago this starting 5 just came together.
1 Bohannon backup Dailey
2 Moss backup Ellingson
3 Baer backup Dailey
4 Cook backup Pemsl
5 Garza backup Nunge
these play when needed as reserves off the bench
Wagner
Kriener
Uhl
in very limited minutes.
The game I wouldn't tomorrow if I were a betting man is Purdue -11.5 vs Iowa. Yes it looks very easy, but that's where they get you. Most would say the likely outcome is for Purdue to blow Iowa out, but while that might be likely, tomorrow is the Chris Street game and it's the first sellout of the season for Iowa as well. That's sad in its own right, but that's for a different day. This game means so much to everyone involved with the program mostly because Chris Street meant so much. So hopefully the team can come out with a little something extra with the help of a raucous crowd behind them and can at least keep it close into the second half
Yeah you said my Rosie avatars were boring choices a few months ago, so when I won a bet with Mgck I chose something other than Rosie.
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