Will Bron END UP the GOAT?
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In 2015, Irving was injured during the Hawks series and Love was lost in the 1st round vs the Celtics. Bron basically swept the Hawks and stole 2 games from GSW with Delly, TT and Shump.
Even homer Duke fans like me don't think Kyrie is on Pippen's level as an overall player. He's not a versatile defender like him and Pippen too had some big games during Jordan's championship runs.
Don't forget Rodman; he was definitely a more consistent 3rd wheel than Kevin Love. The guy was a beast on the glass.
Rodgers is better QB than Brady while Tom is more accomplished. Rodgers arm strength and vision is ridiculous.
Jeff George's arm strength was ridiculous, too.
If we are ranking QBs based on physical ability then Michael Vick is the greatest QB of all time.Tom Brady > Michael Vick, though, because there is a lot more that goes into the QB position than arm strength and vision.
You're right but Rodgers has all the same intangibles that Brady has but he's more athletic and can scramble when a play breaks down.
“Lebron by about a million.
Here is a bullet point summary as to why:
-LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, has a better assist to turnover ratio, shoots a higher FG%, and higher 3pt percentage than MJ.
-LeBron and Magic are probably the only two players in league history that guard all 5 positions and do so regularly.
-In LeBron’s last 40 playoff games he has AVERAGED 34 ppg, 9.7 assists, 9.2 rebounds, while shooting 57%. In his entire career, both regular and postseason, MJ has 8 games in which we scored 34, had 9 rebounds, and 9 assists or more. Only two of those he shot 57% or better. Again, average game for LeBron.
-While everybody harps on LeBron’s finals record, somehow people forget Jordan lost 6 first round series (LeBron is a perfect 14-0) and 5 second round series. LeBron has made more Finals appearances in the last 7 years than MJ did in his entire career.
-When LeBron got to Cleveland, they won 22 more games in his rookie season. They then made the playoffs every season of his first tenure thereafter, and were second in the league in total wins (spurs first) from 2004-2009. When he left, Cleveland picked #1 overall 3 out of 4 seasons, and endured the longest losing streak of the last half century. When he left miami? 18 fewer wins per season, 0 playoff series victories. Back to Cleveland? They’re about to make their 4th straight finals. How about when Jordan left the Bulls to play baseball? The bulls won two fewer games and lost in the eastern conference finals.
-LeBron has more playoff buzzer beaters than MJ and Kobe Bryant combined.
-LeBron shoots a higher FG% in the final 4 minutes of playoff games than MJ. LeBron outscores MJ in the 4th quarter of playoff and finals games. LeBron is statistically better than MJ I’m every category but Free throw percentage in the nba playoffs. Including points per game, on fewer shot attempts.
-LeBron has done this in an era in which the average nba player is taller, weighs more, jumps higher, and runs faster.
As I’ve said before, the only arguments for MJ are based in nostalgia. Even “rings!” Makes 0 sense. By that metric Russell is the clear GOAT, and how can anyone define MJ as this ultimate winner when he’s lost as many first round series as finals he’s won?”
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Saying anyone is one Brady’s level in terms of intangibles is the dumbest thing I’ve read here in awhile and that’s counting a 9 page thread on whether or not college basketball = slavery.
@hailtoyourvictor Where did you find the last 40 games for LeBron vs 8 total games for MJ stat? Pretty boss.
One issue. It’s says LeBron averages more steals, though. That isn’t true.
This bugs me just because you said Jordan lost 6 first round series and 5 second round series. He lost 3 times in the first round (85, 86, 87) and 2 times in the 2nd round (88, 95). Still LeBron has him beat there. LeBron lost 3 times in the 2nd round (06, 08, 10).
There are actually several things wrong in that post especially stats. A couple of note Jordan actually a better % in the playoffs from 3 than LeBron has for his career. Also way off on the LeBron averages more points per game on less shots. Jordan averaged 33 on 25 shots per game and LeBron averages 29 on 21 shots per game. Nearly identical in efficiency in scoring. LeBron definitely the more willing passer but also more ball dominate.
What's cool is their per 100 possessions average in the playoffa. LeBron average 37, 11, and 9 and Jordan averaged 43, 8, and 7.
Also says Lebron made playoffs every year after rookie year. He missed playoffs year 2.
LeBron is the better passer and rebounder.
Jordan is the better shooter and more consistent defender.
They are equal scorers.
MJ would make this current 76ers roster better than LeBron would.
LeBron would make the current Pelicans roster better than Jordan would.
It depends on team needs if you could magically select either of them.
Jordan is the better shooter and more consistent defender.
They are equal scorers.
MJ would make this current 76ers roster better than LeBron would.
LeBron would make the current Pelicans roster better than Jordan would.
It depends on team needs if you could magically select either of them.
I think Jordan is more consistent at guarding his position but Lebron deserves credit for being able to guard 1 through 5.
2 through 4 for sure, I think he would struggle with bigger centers, though. Cousins, Embiid, KAT.. those guys would be too strong for him to play consistently IMO. I think he'd be fine on most PGs, but again, there would be some that might be a little to quick for him to cover for more than a few plays.
Well anyone struggles trying to guard cousins, embiid, of KAT. He can effectively guard the majority of 5s and 1s in the league, though.
Here is a video of Lebron guarding Curry in the 2016 finals. Curry will go down as possibly a top 10 al time PG? A 6’8 250 pound forward should get blown by repeatedly in that matchup I would think.
THANK YOU. Been saying the same thing regarding the 6-0 stat on the football soundoff.
An average forward would, LeBron is certainly an athletic beast. But anyone that big will still be the less quick of the two. Curry has done this to LeBron a decent amount the past three seasons.
LeBron is certainly a more agile and consistent defender than your usual big forward, but he's still susceptible to being crossed by smaller point guards and backed down by bigger centers. I do think he's the most versatile defender we've probably ever seen.
Its kind of different, though. Brady has more appearances and wins. Jordan has more wins but less appearances. So I get the argument, but the comparison is a little off.
You realize he was forced to double dribble and it wasn't called on this one......though I'm sure there are times he gets the best of Lebron.
I'm not talking about the Brady comparison, just the 6-0 stat in and of itself. Getting to the Finals is always better than not getting to the Finals.
I know...just busting your balls....as mentioned, I'm sure you could find plenty where he legally got the best of Lebron.
He shut Lowry down in the 4Q of G1 (maybe G2?), when he was needed.
But, the real question is, could Bron guard Greg Ostertag? Winking
far superior? You get Lebron shot a better % overall and on 3s? MJ better at FTs. Maybe MJ scored more because he took more shots?
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