How much should we consider who each player had during ages 18 to 20. Arguably the most important years in one's development?
Dean Smith vs ?Maybe Paul Silas?
Dean Smith vs ?Maybe Paul Silas?
Will Bron END UP the GOAT?
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Yeah. I’ve mentioned that. Bron has been coaching himself his entire life, for the most part. Tutelage was minimal, at best.
MJ called Dean his surrogate father.
Bron never really had one father figure, let alone two.
In today's world of PEDS HGH and Stem Cells imagine how Jordan would be dominating the league at the same age as LBJ is now, this debate is for people that dont appreciate the past and facts. The media coverage and hyperbole is 1000x worse than in Jordans day also and this comparison gets ridiculous clicks from the minions
Still a bit insulting to see this comparison...
Still a bit insulting to see this comparison...
Hahaha. Wow. Now there’s a new defense. And one of the silliest I’ve read. Imagine how much more we’d know about his gambling and the fact that he was an asshole, if the media and clickbait were up his ass today. Jordan is very lucky he played then and not now.
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Disagree with that. They played a more physical style of defense back in the day. Jordan would of torched any player in this era and it wouldn’t of been competitive.
I’m honestly in alignment w you, but Bron has like 4-5 more years and he’s still in his prime. Like I said, Bron will END UP the GOAT, especially after all these MJ fanboys die off.
Not one player today couldn’t check Jordan and my tar heel card is uncheckable. SmokinSmile
Let me know when MJ knocks off a 73-win team on their home court in a Game 7 of the Finals.
Yep.....only titles count. 50-loss seasons, out in round 1? Ignore them.
I'm with you I think on this one.....MJ still the GOAT now, but to say Lebron is not nor can ever be in the discussion is silly.
so 20 years wasn't long enough? Lebron did it in year 13.Winkingwell he's retired now sooo..
I know you aren't anti Lebron in posting that......what I wonder is it how many DIFFERENT teammates. would imagine changing teams would add to Lebron's as well as FA not being as prevalent when MJ played. For instance, MJ played on a 10 year contract.
Why can't stats make him better? More assists and rebounds/game doesn't count? Slightly better FG% and much better 3 pt%?
did MJ score more per game? Probably, but Lebrin being the better shooter, maybe that's because MJ too more shots and Lebron was setting up his teammates?
I think leading BOTH teams in points, rebounds, assists steals and blocks in a Finals needa a mention.I've been too busy throwing counter punches.
Bron will own like every stat in the book when he's done, but do we want to go over all of those? But, one of my favorites is Bron leading his team in scoring, assists, and rebounds 62 times in the playoffs. Second best are Duncan and Bird at 21. The dude does it ALL. I would point to some things I already said, like the spotlight was unreal on the kid. He had nary the tutelage of MJ. No father figure, like ever. He's done a thousand times more for his community and is willing to speak, not just smile for the cameras and sell shoes like MJ. He's been to 7 straight Finals. He is currently carrying a team on his back in his 15th season. I think right now it's tough to say LBJ over MJ, but by the time he hangs em up, we'll know he's the GOAT. And, 20 years after his career, when it has time to marinate and many of his supporters are too old to use the Internets or dead god forbid, it won't even be a debate. I've left a laundry list out, but don't want to carry on too long.
Tag me when Lebron quits to play baseball, comes back to win 3 championships and makes Space Jam.
Maybe because MJ had a 10 year contract, then was signed for $37 million for one year?
Yes....$37 million in the 90s. Let that sink in. where was he gonna go?
I'd say results in Finals one was clearly superior to the other, not sure that means MJ was clearly superior.....though that Dallas night might make this the case.
It's funny you go out of your way to make excuses wherever Lebron might have an edge, but for some reason you don't do the same when the tables are turned?
Agenda, maybe?
If college titles count, can we count Lebron's titles in HS? Off the top of my head he had 2.
4. Didn't MJ pass off for a game winner? Not sure either NEEDED someone else to close.
I have no issue in the latter spot, but statistically, at least in playoff games for sure, Lebron has been better last time I saw this stat.
It is pretty incredible......but when MJ left, his team still won 55 games without him. when Lebron left the Cavs they were a dreg. when he came back they were in the Finals. Miami fell off the map the first year or 2 after Lebron left them, as well.
MJ went down in round 1 three times. That's better than losing in the Finals?
I'll argue that do you honestly believe that one of those LeBron led teams in the 2000s or even the Cavs teams of the last few years would have made it past either or those Celtic or Pistons teams of the 80s? Those teams were full of past and present all-stars and those losses in the 1st round to the Bucks in year 1 and Celtics in year 2 and 3 Jordan played on rosters far worse than anything LeBron has had.
I love the argument and to me it's not clearly obvious either way. Someone argues in LeBron's favor that Jordan never played anyone in the Finals as good as the Spurs or Warriors teams but then Jordan fans could also argue that LeBron never had to go through eastern conference playoffs as rough as Jordan had to go through in the late 80s and 90s. It's all back and forth and there's no clear answer. I stopped really debating this and just enjoying watching LeBron play and hoping he loses and then turning around and watching Jordan games on YouTube.
How many of those scrub western conference teams the Bulls beat up on were better than the past two Golden State teams?
The Cavs teams of the last few years would not have been seeded so low to have to play the Cs in round 1.
But agree with everything you said. There are pros and cons for both. You at least recognize as much. Many just want to see one side in this discussion.
Think he’s undefeated, which is crazy. Although I’ll argue that up until this year, the east has been pretty weak during LBJs run. Like, extremely weak.
None and you missed my point in my post where I said as much. The argument features so many great back and forth arguments. I enjoy it.
Funny thing is, even Lebron would admit Jordan is the greatest and he has stated this multiple times. Mj is who he and Kobe try to emulate. He was their idol growing up.
I think Lebron will/should overtake Jordan by the time his career is over. Pretty sad that people try to diminish how great of a player he is.
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