This years champ will be worst in last 20 years

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  1. jhmossy

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    Convince me I’m wrong.
     
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    2013 was so bad, they didn't have a champion.
     
  3. jhmossy

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    Still better than whoever wins it this year
     
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    I didn't realized I summoned a McD's employee.
     
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    She’s more famous than you. I know that bothers you
     
  7. lurkeraspect84

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    RollLaugh OK guy.
     
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    At least she didnt try to get the attention. The attention came to her.
     
  9. KerryRhodes

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    Wouldnt care.
    A Title is a Title.
     
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    lol that’s rich coming from a Louisville fan.
     
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    Kenpom #1 has the lowest rating in 14 years. However, I’m betting that would rise a good bit if they won the tourney.
     
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    Yall finally cross the finish line and youre snobby like a uofk fan.

    Enjoy your one Title.
    Be a long time before yall get another one.
     
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    Maybe but at least we'll get to keep ours.
     
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    Thank goodness that tag won’t be on us.
     
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    You’re right but I wish UNC was good enough to get in and win it. I take a worst championship team any day of the week, it still counts as a title.
     
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    UConn won the title in 2014, so the odds are still pretty good that the national champ this year will be a little better.

    As it stands, there are 10 programs (Kansas, Gonzaga, Duke, San Diego State, Baylor, Dayton, West Virginia, Louisville, Michigan State, and Maryland ) with a higher KenPom adjusted efficiency margin than '14 UConn.
     
  18. Rod Dangerfield

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    That's easy. Just look at who "won" the 2019 championship. There's the worst NCAA tourney winner of all time. If all the winners were put in a tournament to play each other, the 2019 "winner" would get blown out in the first round.
     
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    KU has been the best team in the nation plenty of times they didn’t win it. Like a previous poster said a title is a title.
     
  20. Afamu

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    Will that be on the trophy?
     
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    You're trying too hard. UVA went 35-3 with losses to Duke (x2) and FSU.
     
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    Ah, yes, 2014 UConn. Not to mention 2011 UConn. End thread.
     
  23. AuHoosier420

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    Is everyone obsessed with Ken Pomeroy on this board?
     
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    Let me guess....RPI is where it's at?
     
  25. Rod Dangerfield

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    I'm 43, & that was the worst & least deserving "champion" these eyes have ever seen.
     
  26. AuHoosier420

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    nope. Record is where it’s at. No team with top 8-9 losses at this point should be considered a contender at all
     
  27. jhmossy

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    Might want to get those eyes fixed
     
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    Who do you think are the contenders at this point?
     
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    Baylor
    Gonzaga
    Sdsu
    Kansas
    Duke
    Louisville
    Villanova
    Seton hall
    Maryland
    Fsu
    Auburn
    Kentucky
    Dayton

    the Inflation of the big 10 is what kills me with kenpom
     
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    The list is fair enough, but not your disdain for the Big Ten. Your national title contenders are 6-6 against the Big Ten conference.

    SDSU: W- Iowa
    Gonzaga: L- Michigan
    Duke: W- Michigan State
    Louisville: W- Michigan
    FSU: W- Purdue, L- Indiana
    Seton Hall: MSU- L, Rutgers- L, Maryland- W
    Villanova: L- Ohio State
    Kentucky: W- MSU, L- Ohio State
     
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    Meh. Games played in November and December. Doesn’t really say much.
     
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    lol that's the only way you could possibly compare teams from other conferences.
     
  33. Bert Higginbotha

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    . . . . until they take it away.
     
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    don’t disagree but it doesn’t mean the rankings aren’t skewed. For example duke and Kentucky are routinely much different teams in March than november
     
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    Yeah, I get that. But the OOC is what determines the strength of a conference. The Big Ten won their OOC games. They are deserving of a higher margin for error. The fact that your title contenders struggled against the Big Ten indicates the strength of a conference.

    There's still a lot of mobility for a team to move up in rankings if they can win most of their conference games. I think the assessments on the Big Ten are accurate. A LOT of good teams. Somewhat lacking in elite teams. Maryland and Michigan State probably fit that bill, however. And honestly, Penn State is a team to watch closely. They've won 4 consecutive road games.
     
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    Every analyst, when discussing metrics, say the Evansville loss is what is pulling UK down. It's a terrible loss. No question. But those metrics don't allow for team improvement/growth.
     
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    auburn is winning most of of our conference games. We also went perfect in the non conference. Of course Ken doesn’t put any premium on winning though. If only we could be an “efficient” 13-9
     
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    I agree with your statements; however, every year the B1G is over rated and end up with a bunch of teams in the NCAA. In November and December Kentucky split with Ohio State and Michigan State. That was the early UK team that lost to Evansville and Utah. But that same team beat Louisville and Georgia Tech.

    The SEC is lacking in elite teams but I doubt that the B1G is much better.
     
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    KenPom does what any system should do: consider both the outcome (winning and how) and opponent. So, no, KenPom does not put a special "premium on winning" because a close win against a crappy team is not a better indicator of quality than a close loss against a good team. The weightings are all based on years and years of data that conclusively demonstrates this, and has been tested in the free market (i.e. betting lines track KenPom, and bookmakers make money).
     
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    One loss doesn't have a devastating impact on any decent system.
     

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