This years champ will be worst in last 20 years

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  1. Bert Higginbotha

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    Then what is the Georgia Tech loss going to do to UL? GT has 13 losses.
     
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    The Big 12 had this effect recently as well. There's a bump at the conference level for quality depth and lack of a crappy bottom end. But that doesn't necessarily mean much for title contenders.
     
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    That is not what CBS said Saturday. Of course Palm is not too bright.
     
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    NIT this year gotta sting though, right Champ?
     
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    Well, Kentucky beat Louisville at home in overtime. Not exactly a convincing win. Home games are generally considered to net gain roughly 8 points. And Georgia Tech is 6-8 in the ACC (and they played w/o Alvarado).

    Also, I disagree with the Big Ten being overrated. If anything, they've probably been undervalued over the years. The Big Ten has had 16 Final Four teams this century - and only 8 #1 seeds. That's a 2:1 ratio. Which is really, really impressive.

    1 seeds (8)
    Michigan State: 2000, 2001, 2012
    Illinois: 2005
    Indiana: 2013
    Ohio State: 2007, 2011
    Wisconsin: 2015

    Final Fours (16)
    Michigan State: 2000, 2001, 2005, 2009, 2010, 2015, 2019
    Wisconsin: 2000, 2014, 2015
    Indiana: 2002
    Illinois: 2005
    Ohio State: 2007, 2012
    Michigan: 2013, 2018
     
  6. jhmossy

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    Meh I can handle a NIT appearance a year after winning a natty. We lost 6 players from last year's roster. We still have a decent chance at the tourney but I won't be worried if we miss it. We should rebound just fine next year with a very good recruiting class and Sam Hauser.
     
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    He does have the luck category, which Auburn is ranked #1 in the country. The luck ranking measures the deviation between a team's actual winning percentage and what one would expect from its efficiency numbers. Simply put, a team that's in a lot of close games, will win close to 50% of those contests. Auburn is 12-0 in single-digit games, including 5 overtimes and one regulation buzzer-beater. That is not normal.

    On top of that, 9 of those 12 close wins are against teams ranked outside of the top 50. So you're talking about a lot of close wins against sub-par competition. When you factor in two blowout losses, it's really not that surprising that Auburn's ranking is so low, in spite of a very impressive record.
     
  8. AuHoosier420

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    i think kens rankings are good to look at for gambling purposes. He just doesn’t value winning enough to be taken seriously for much else though
     
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    That double dribble tho.....
     
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    Not according to almost all "bracketologists." Evansville is in the 300s and that is the most often mentioned reason where UK is concerned. I don't put a lot of stock into them personally, and never have.
     
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    lol his "rankings" are based on efficiency margins, not wins and losses.

    We don't know the exact algorithm, but it's essentially points scored per 100 possessions (adjusted for SOS) minus points scored against per 100 possessions (adjusted for SOS).

    Auburn has won A LOT of close games. And often against sub-50 teams. They've also been blown out twice. It's really not surprising. You're one of the very few posters that doesn't value KenPom. Not sure I can take you seriously if you insist that his system has little to no value.
     
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    That was 2019. Auburn had a luck rating of 162 in 2019. And Brown fouled before the double-dribble.
     
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    i didn’t say it had little to no value. It has value but you fanboys that think it’s absolute gospel are hilarious. Winning is all that matters. Douche nerds can’t track being clutch and having heart though...
     
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    no he didn’t before the double dribble and if one was called uva has even less likely chance the win.
     
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    But you're mostly being clutch against sub-par teams. The two nice wins came at home, which usually renders a nice advantage. That's the point. Yes, Auburn is a good team. Top 25, no question. Just not convinced they're actually a title contender.
     
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    You guys lost to Stephen f Austin at home. That’s one of the worst losses in the power 5. Why I am not convinced duke is much of a title contender either. We can both play this game
     
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    Can I get some video of this Auburn-Virginia ending? I don't really remember what happened that was so controversial.
     
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    You really think that was one of the worst losses by a power school? SF Austin is 22-3. If you really value records, then that contradicts your original argument. At any rate, Duke is 6-3 in single-digit games.

    Tell you what, I'll say Auburn doesn't make the Sweet 16. One month avatar bet.
     
  19. jhmossy

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    I put it in a spoiler so it doesn't trigger Auburn fans

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  20. AuHoosier420

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    if Auburn has a healthy okoro I am down for this bet. If not I am not taking this bet with your lottery pick out.
     
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    Here's the funny part. You say that winning is all that matters. UVA won because they were clutch and had great heart too. I am sure Auburn has gotten plenty of calls in these close games this year that helped them win. I doubt you will admit that. The difference is no one is watching your stupid ****ing games to bitch about it.
     
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    lol would you like to wait until the bracket is unveiled, too? You previously said Auburn was a title contender. Should be a pretty easy bet for a title contender.
     
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    No ref has missed a double dribble. You guys had the benefit of 4 straight games with officials helping decide the outcome. Purdue, and Texas tech fans greatly agree. Worst national champions in my life time
     
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    All that matters
     
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    If he have a healthy okoro I don’t need to see the brackets. Without okoro auburn is not a title contender at all. The dude will be a top 5 pick. Latest mocks have him going third or 4th. The dude may be out for the year now. Let’s take duke’s best player off the team in any of there title runs and you don’t win shit either
     
  26. AuHoosier420

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    Ok but it’s still very known it was tainted
     
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    Probably don't win the title, but I'd still take the bet for a Sweet 16 run.
     
  28. AuHoosier420

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    nope. Take Zion off your team last year and you lose in the first round. Should have lost in the round of 32 anyway
     
  29. jhmossy

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    LOL just like any title won by a Pearl-coached team would be. Fortunately, we won't have to worry about whether Auburn's titles are tainted or not because you won't win shit.
     
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    Is the argument over whether or not Guy got fouled?

    Because that's a foul and I don't think you can argue against that.

    Let me keep looking, I know something happened just before that play as well.
     
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    lol for some reason I thought we were talking about 2020. Silly me, I must have accidentally changed the goal posts.
     
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    would apply this season as well.
     
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    I am not convinced @AuHoosier420 went to AU or IU. I do believe the 420 part. The posting,points and perception doesn't scream any type of education.

    JMO. He's entertaining though. Just like Pearl.
     
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    nothing is more tainted than a title won by the most racist and white supremacist school in the country
     
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    we can compare education and degrees whenever you want sidewalk.
     
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    Ok. I see the double dribble now. I remember all of this.

    I am in the @AuHoosier420 camp on this one that the refs blew it at the end but I also understand that plays like that get missed all the time. It's just part of the game. I'm sure we could find a half dozen missed calls that did go Auburn's way in that game.
     
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    We can also compare....actually nevermind. Keep juggling/selling/performing for laughs.

    My bad for thinking out loud.
     
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    Last year we had an 8-man rotation that was largely contingent upon 2 players. Ball movement was lacking, shooting was lacking. This team is 10 players deep, they shoot better, and they're not overly reliant on 1 or 2 players. Duke came back 13 points to UNC when Carey fouled out. Not sure if Carey or Tre is more important, but I'd still take my chances as a 2 seed to win two games with one of them missing.

    And for your own good, you probably don't want to compare Okoro to Zion. Zion has the highest player efficiency rating ever recorded, which is twice the number of Okoro (40.8 to 19.6).
     
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    Right on cue.
     
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    You are bragging about a come back win verses North Carolina? Unc is absolute dog shit this year. Congrats though I guess....
     

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