Your analysis of what they are excludes the part where they are generating billions of dollars.
Paying College Athletes? Where do you see this going?
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They put in wayyyyy more “work” that a normal student with their daily scheduled morning workouts then class then practice among other thing.
And the athletes Playing the game are the ones people come pay to see. So they are putting in work, and making the school money, very thin line between “student” and employee imho.
I dont disagree that the schools should have to burden the “cost” of the players, not the ncaa. Or at least most of it, for the exact reasons u mentioned.
Billions of dollars From putting in hours upon hours of work, both individually and in the team setting.
College sports are so pure never been a scandal. Ever. I hope the game I love doesn't get ruined by capitalism and corruption.
If players start getting paid legally, 4 star players won't pass the ball to 5 star players. 3 star players will refuse to high five with starters in the pregame warmups. It will be so awkward and I just don't think I will want to watch games anymore.
Keep the $ with the CEOs just in case I become one in a second life.
If players start getting paid legally, 4 star players won't pass the ball to 5 star players. 3 star players will refuse to high five with starters in the pregame warmups. It will be so awkward and I just don't think I will want to watch games anymore.
Keep the $ with the CEOs just in case I become one in a second life.
And it is not a forced labor camp. The athletes can choose not to play. They are using the school and the school is using them.
So they dont need any of that 3 mil to live or spend? And with an MBA in Finance I understand compound interest quite well. I also understand life and life styles.
No one said it was forced labor. But its still time/effort they “have” to put in to be successful. On top of the required school work normal students have to do, to remain academically eligible.
And until very recently with the G league, they either had to go to college a year, or move to another country to play professionally like some have chosen to do.
So while true, no one ever “made” anyone go to college, there wasnt a very good alternative in this country at least. And i can very much understand not wanting to move halfway across the globe for 1 year while you wait until you are nba draft eligible.
Football is a diff argument. College is basically the ONLY option for football players, but at least they make the kids stay long enough to have a shot to graduate in 3 years if they so choose, and getting a degree is a priority to them.
its those kind of comments that reek of jealousy and backward thinking. Times have changed.
When an athlete cannot profit from their own likeness, but the NCAA and their University can, that's exploitation. These kids are products and they should have complete rights over it. They are being denied that right.
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WTF is it with you and this jealousy shit? Did you just learn that word this week.or something?Anyways....Answer my question....Should athletes at UK get percentages of sales at basketball games, i.e. concessions, gift shops....Should they alos get a cut f the gate receipts? Or are you OK with UK exploiting athletes---just not the NCAA?
They choose to do this....Its a choice. If money is your quest---don't go to college. Go to the GLeague. Go overseas. There are plenty of other options available...
And doing so at the expense of the schools, and the NCAA....Doing so b/c the schools/NCAA give them a platform...And lets be honest----we are not talking about all 13, scholarship players. This discussion revolves around the Anthony Davis, Cade Cunningham's and Zion Williamson's...Not the Devin Askews, Avery Andersons or Joey Bakers....This isn't about those kids. Its about Top 5-10, kids. Lets not act as if the world is concerned about ALL players.
And if you wanna make the NCAA pay, up---OK. Fine. But the schools need to as well. I mean all that revenue from gate sales, concessions and gift shops goes directly into said schools account---Not the NCAA's.
Lets be fair, and......honest here.
They should get what their product brings in, meaning a portion of the revenue from their likeness from the NCAA. And if they get private sponsorships and marketing their likeness outside of the NCAA, I'm fine with that.
Man you're making the jealousy statements. I'm just calling you out on it. A lot of other people ITT see the jealousy from you and others. Condescending remarks about the athletes and money reek with jealousy.
Wut? I'm just saying that this market should act like a market and not like a monopoly where things are dictated. You seem so captivated by the current NCAA system that your questions to me assume the monopoly - that payment(s) should be dictated ("Should players get...") and not responsive to market inputs. The NCAA could do like professional sports leagues do - enter into collective bargaining agreements with labor (which, incidentally, helps sports leagues avoid antitrust issues like the NCAA has).
Cool, cool, cool, you "understand compound interest quite well." But your rebuttal completely misses the point, as I (correctly) assume that regular wage slaves also need to use their money "to live or spend" and also have "life styles." Add in that savings are correlated with income. E.g. https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/kdynan/files/200052pap.pdf.
I don't think it's jealousy, I think it's maintaining the status quo. Of course, in order to maintain the status quo one must dictate that what is currently offered is sufficient or even lavish (so I see where you get jealousy from), but that's incidental to the real driving force.
I get the status quo argument, its the condescending remarks I've mentioned more than once that reeks of jealousy. Status quo was great at one time, but its not now. Times change. Other students can make money off of their value without the NCAA digging into their pockets. Its only with athletes that they won't permit it. You want a good program now, its the cost of doing business. And its the legal and proper action to take and live with.
And why do you think this is? Its to balance the game, as best as possible. To keep the game, as clean as possible. So what that a violinist in the school orchestra can go play at the Grand Ole Opry,and get paid---and still be allowed to be on his/her, band scholarship....Marching band isn't the business that CFB or CBB is. It doesn't need to be monitored, or littered with rules/regulations.
Again----these kids have options. No one is forcing them to attend college. They choose to do so.
The NCAA is a business, and businesses are allowed to make money without revenue or profit sharing with their employees or subsidiaries. The NCAA is not a monopoly, and it's becoming less of one each year, as more kids find other places to play. At some point, that will become their core argument.
Calling the NCAA a monopoly is a joke.
I know this is the basketball board, but football players dont really have an option. The NCAA/Colleges very much has a monopoly on football for 18-21 year olds or whagever. Imo this is why the ncaa doesnt even try to clean that sport up. And football makes the big $$$ anyways, ive always read at least.
NCAA controls who they sell the broadcast rights of the games. This is the definition of being a monopoly.
200k education, monthly stipend. Training table. Best medical care a person can buy. Free travel. Clothing.
Is that slave wages?
Your point sucks IMO.
The timing of this is perfect. Jalen Duren visits this weekend.
I never said (or implied) that athletes get "slave wages." Instead, I used "wage slaves" to be regular people who earn, over time, millions. And you, again, missed the point regarding whether we should dictate "wages" (i.e. compensation that student-athletes receive) or let the market decide. Or maybe you didn't miss the point at all, comrade.
You're right, I should have called it what the Supreme Court did: "The Court does so based on the uncontested premise that the NCAA enjoys monopsony control in the relevant market— such that it is capable of depressing wages below competitive levels for student-athletes and thereby restricting the quantity of student-athlete labor." Still subject to antitrust law, but the means by which a monopsony and monopoly distort the market is different.
I honestly think its because what the NCAA has been doing is going against individual rights. The NCAA as governing body is so outdated and poorly implemented. I don't think the Colleges should pay athletes, but what an individual does with their own likeness and marketability is none of the NCAA's business. Its all about US citizen rights. Exactly why government is involved with this. Amateur status was governed only due to the Olympics. That's no longer necessary. They're still student athletes, just provided with a basic right to earn.
The universities could assist them by providing management/financial classes etc. What is wrong with an athlete having their own youtube channel, shoe contracts, merchandise sales etc. As long as it doesn't take away from their commitment to their institution.
By allowing the athlete to control their financial destiny, it provides for a more even playing ground with the small to large programs by keeping the programs out of it.
The state of Kentucky is permitting NIL starting July 1st. Interesting that this comes in now when Jalen Duren has his last scheduled visit at UK on June 30th.
If player development is the biggest priority, how do you look at Calipari’s track record with big men and pass on that opportunity? Between the likes of DeMarcus Cousins, Patrick Patterson, Anthony Davis, Nerlens Noel, Willie Cauley-Stein, Julius Randle, Karl-Anthony Towns, Bam Adebayo, PJ Washington and Nick Richards, (and you can add Isaiah Jackson as well) there’s not another program in college basketball that comes close to Kentucky’s track record. No offense to Memphis, Miami (FL) and the other college programs on Duren’s list, but the proof is in the pudding. Davis, Cousins, Towns, Randle and Adebayo alone have combined for 16 All-Star appearances and eight All-NBA selections, and that’s not even accounting for the $842 million combined career (and future) earnings between the five of them.
Shit is about to get real, real quick for UK.
*....and it couldn't come at a better time. All the UK Cal naysayers about to start singing praises again.
Duran just had his official in Memphis. Called it "perfect", and their main pitch was based on NCAA passing a patchwork NIL. Kentucky just opened the gates for UK and UL.
Wish we could convince the governor that UK basketball would benefit from legalized gambling and marijuana so hed executive order something that might actually help the state.
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