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Paying College Athletes? Where do you see this going?

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so what does it mean though? There seems to be a long way to go from "athletes can now be paid" to "here is now the payment of athletes will work".
 
What about the 12+ states that have approved paid compensation for athletes? It is legal for them to pay them.
It doesn't make sense to classify student athletes as amateurs since that is no longer a requirement for the Olympics. That's were it all started. If a non athlete has a particular talent and is going to college, it doesn't prevent them from making money from their talent. Ivy league schools don't provide scholarships, but they do allow private funding for student athletes. Why not allow private funds to an athlete for their likeness. Maybe even treat them as investments. I'm sure this happens in the corporate world with other very talented students.

If there's a market for it, it will work, if not it won't. That's capitalism. That's what America is all about I don't think the NCAA or Universities should have any control on the matter, other than providing advice and education. Stay out of the kids lives outside of college activities. All private funding.
 
"Third, there are serious questions whether the NCAA's remaining compensation rules can pass muster under ordinary rule of reason scrutiny. Under the rule of reason, the NCAA must supply a legally valid procompetitive justification for its remaining compensation rules. As I see it, however, the NCAA may lack such a justification.

The NCAA acknowledges that it controls the market for college athletes. The NCAA concedes that its compensation rules set the price of student athlete labor at a below-market rate. And the NCAA recognizes that student athletes currently have no meaningful ability to negotiate with the NCAA over the compensation rules.

If it turns out that some or all of the NCAA's remaining compensation rules violate the antitrust laws, some difficult policy and practical questions would undoubtedly ensue. Among them: How would paying greater compensation to student athletes affect non-revenue-raising sports? Could student athletes in some sports but not others receive compensation? How would any compensation regime comply with Title IX? If paying student athletes requires something like a salary cap in some sports in order to preserve competitive balance, how would that cap be administered? And given that there are now about 180,000 Division I student athletes, what is a financially sustainable way of fairly compensating some or all of those student athletes?

Of course, those difficult questions could be resolved in ways other than litigation. Legislation would be one option. Or colleges and student athletes could potentially engage in collective bargaining (or seek some other negotiated agreement) to provide student athletes a fairer share of the revenues that they generate for their colleges, akin to how professional football and basketball players have negotiated for a share of league revenues. Regardless of how those issues ultimately would be resolved, however, the NCAA's current compensation regime raises serious questions under the antitrust laws.

To be sure, the NCAA and its member colleges maintain important traditions that have become part of the fabric of America—game days in Tuscaloosa and South Bend; the packed gyms in Storrs and Durham; the women's and men's lacrosse championships on Memorial Day weekend; track and field meets in Eugene; the spring softball and baseball World Series in Oklahoma City and Omaha; the list goes on.

But those traditions alone cannot justify the NCAA's decision to build a massive money-raising enterprise on the backs of student athletes who are not fairly compensated. Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different. The NCAA is not above the law."
 
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The NCAA acknowledges that it controls the market for college athletes. The NCAA concedes that its compensation rules set the price of student athlete labor at a below-market rate.
Their, "labor"? You mean traveling the country for free? That kind of "labor"? Or having to practice? That type of labor? Or, getting to showcase your abilities/talents on TV every fuking night?

JFC.....In no way, shape or form do I feel college athletes should be paid. These kids, especially at places like Kansas, UK, Indiana, Duke, etc, etc....are treated like royalty man. Free medical....free food, free clothing, free housing, free schooling, etc, etc....I get it. SOme kids come from poor families. Which at times is hard to realize. Especially when you see kids with hundreds of dollars of tattoo work, jewelry....$300 Bose headphones, etc, etc....But hey,. ok. Set up a program that allows kids from less fortunate families, to qualify for a stipend...Or allow the school to help...Or, allow them to work.

Folk need to quit acting as if these kids are been so mistreated....Going hungry. Getting the shaft. Its fuking ridiculous. As an official, I have seen the amenities these kids have access to----I assure you, they ain't hurting...going hungry, or without...And if they are? Well----sell a few of those $300 chains.

Insane.
 
Their, "labor"? You mean traveling the country for free? That kind of "labor"? Or having to practice? That type of labor? Or, getting to showcase your abilities/talents on TV every fuking night?

JFC.....In no way, shape or form do I feel college athletes should be paid. These kids, especially at places like Kansas, UK, Indiana, Duke, etc, etc....are treated like royalty man. Free medical....free food, free clothing, free housing, free schooling, etc, etc....I get it. SOme kids come from poor families. Which at times is hard to realize. Especially when you see kids with hundreds of dollars of tattoo work, jewelry....$300 Bose headphones, etc, etc....But hey,. ok. Set up a program that allows kids from less fortunate families, to qualify for a stipend...Or allow the school to help...Or, allow them to work.

Folk need to quit acting as if these kids are been so mistreated....Going hungry. Getting the shaft. Its fuking ridiculous. As an official, I have seen the amenities these kids have access to----I assure you, they ain't hurting...going hungry, or without...And if they are? Well----sell a few of those $300 chains.

Insane.
Not mistreated, exploited. What's insane is how much work and effort athletes have to commit to become elite or just play in Div I. That is their job. What is wrong for a kid to get paid from sales of his likeness? Your commits reek of jealousy.
 
I think a lot of kids and parents think this is some kind of cash cow that will make them rich. Not gonna happen. Wait until reality hits, they are going to be disappointed.
 
Not mistreated, exploited. What's insane is how much work and effort athletes have to commit to become elite or just play in Div I. That is their job. What is wrong for a kid to get paid from sales of his likeness? Your commits reek of jealousy.
So a 100k or 200k education is not getting paid. If I were schools I would stop giving out scholarships to some kids and say you have to pay your tuition and room and board and then make your money off or endorsements.
 
Their, "labor"? You mean traveling the country for free? That kind of "labor"? Or having to practice? That type of labor? Or, getting to showcase your abilities/talents on TV every fuking night?

JFC.....In no way, shape or form do I feel college athletes should be paid. These kids, especially at places like Kansas, UK, Indiana, Duke, etc, etc....are treated like royalty man. Free medical....free food, free clothing, free housing, free schooling, etc, etc....I get it. SOme kids come from poor families. Which at times is hard to realize. Especially when you see kids with hundreds of dollars of tattoo work, jewelry....$300 Bose headphones, etc, etc....But hey,. ok. Set up a program that allows kids from less fortunate families, to qualify for a stipend...Or allow the school to help...Or, allow them to work.

Folk need to quit acting as if these kids are been so mistreated....Going hungry. Getting the shaft. Its fuking ridiculous. As an official, I have seen the amenities these kids have access to----I assure you, they ain't hurting...going hungry, or without...And if they are? Well----sell a few of those $300 chains.

Insane.
Thank you. Couldnt agree more.
 
So a 100k or 200k education is not getting paid. If I were schools I would stop giving out scholarships to some kids and say you have to pay your tuition and room and board and then make your money off or endorsements.
Not for kids who only have to be there 1 year and then their out the door. They didnt choose duke bc its a good academic school.....
 
Not for kids who only have to be there 1 year and then their out the door. They didnt choose duke bc its a good academic school.....
They chose it because eventually it will get them paid. Are you saying a kid cant live with free room and board for 9 months, with all of their needs taken care of. They still get a monthly stipend. I had a relative that was on scholarship and he got something like 1300/month. Not a bad gig. No bills, all the food you can eat, great healthcare and 1300/month.
 
They chose it because eventually it will get them paid. Are you saying a kid cant live with free room and board for 9 months, with all of their needs taken care of. They still get a monthly stipend. I had a relative that was on scholarship and he got something like 1300/month. Not a bad gig. No bills, all the food you can eat, great healthcare and 1300/month.
Set for life amirite?
 
"A company has several employees who, through their labor, create profits for the company. The company does not pay the employees directly, instead offering them free or reduced-price living arrangements in company-owned housing and food from cafeterias. The company shows off the glamorous and luxurious upgrades to its workplace, living space, and cafeteria in an effort to lure workers away from its rivals. While its normal workers go unpaid, the company pays exorbitant salaries to the managers and overseers of the workforce, who then, in some cases, abuse the laborers even beyond what onlookers deem necessary to extract the best possible product from them. The company protests that it cannot pay its laborers in the name of tradition, profit, and most shockingly, in order to protect the workers themselves from the harmful extravagance of a salary. The workers are also forbidden from making money from their own name or image. The whole arrangement is protected by an inter-state cartel of the company and its competitors."

That doesn't feel like Capitalism.

 
Set for life amirite?
Nope. Who said that. Society has gotten way out of hand due to social media. People think others become successful based on skin color or race or some other reason besides hard work. Some do, but most work their butts off to get where they are. Ask other poster to add up their income for the last 30 years and see what the number comes to. I have done it and is millions, so a few million at 23 years old will not set you up for life.
 
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"A company has several employees who, through their labor, create profits for the company. The company does not pay the employees directly, instead offering them free or reduced-price living arrangements in company-owned housing and food from cafeterias. The company shows off the glamorous and luxurious upgrades to its workplace, living space, and cafeteria in an effort to lure workers away from its rivals. While its normal workers go unpaid, the company pays exorbitant salaries to the managers and overseers of the workforce, who then, in some cases, abuse the laborers even beyond what onlookers deem necessary to extract the best possible product from them. The company protests that it cannot pay its laborers in the name of tradition, profit, and most shockingly, in order to protect the workers themselves from the harmful extravagance of a salary. The workers are also forbidden from making money from their own name or image. The whole arrangement is protected by an inter-state cartel of the company and its competitors."

That doesn't feel like Capitalism.

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They chose it because eventually it will get them paid. Are you saying a kid cant live with free room and board for 9 months, with all of their needs taken care of. They still get a monthly stipend. I had a relative that was on scholarship and he got something like 1300/month. Not a bad gig. No bills, all the food you can eat, great healthcare and 1300/month.
I dont care either way. I just dont get why people even care so much if the kids get paid or not. Would it make it less enjoyable to watch?

I just feel like if coaches and ADs can make MILLIONS a year, not to mention the literally hundreds of people employed off of the athletes playing, ncaa and mark emmerts salary at the tip top of that list, i dont see the problem with the players gettin paid too.

And if they are getting a monthly stipend, how is that not paying them already? Just paying them minimum wage while others make millions, or even lots of assistants have 6 figure salaries.
 
I dont care either way. I just dont get why people even care so much if the kids get paid or not. Would it make it less enjoyable to watch?

I just feel like if coaches and ADs can make MILLIONS a year, not to mention the literally hundreds of people employed off of the athletes playing, ncaa and mark emmerts salary at the tip top of that list, i dont see the problem with the players gettin paid too.

And if they are getting a monthly stipend, how is that not paying them already? Just paying them minimum wage while others make millions, or even lots of assistants have 6 figure salaries.
We disagree. I believe this is a major change in college athletics and what I have come to know and love is changing big time. I think it is very bad for college athletics and will effect locker rooms all over the country in a negative way.

So you dont think 20k-40k in free education is getting paid? Along with the stipend?

Also, how about we do this, no scholarships. Make it 100% capitalistic and have the athletes pay the school to attend. They can take the tuition out of the money they make off of endorsements.
 
so what does it mean though? There seems to be a long way to go from "athletes can now be paid" to "here is now the payment of athletes will work".
This is a great point and I agree, I think the SCOTUS is just saying the NCAA needs to make some changes, and also made it easier for lawsuits to be filed.
 
"A company has several employees who, through their labor, create profits for the company. The company does not pay the employees directly, instead offering them free or reduced-price living arrangements in company-owned housing and food from cafeterias. The company shows off the glamorous and luxurious upgrades to its workplace, living space, and cafeteria in an effort to lure workers away from its rivals. While its normal workers go unpaid, the company pays exorbitant salaries to the managers and overseers of the workforce, who then, in some cases, abuse the laborers even beyond what onlookers deem necessary to extract the best possible product from them. The company protests that it cannot pay its laborers in the name of tradition, profit, and most shockingly, in order to protect the workers themselves from the harmful extravagance of a salary. The workers are also forbidden from making money from their own name or image. The whole arrangement is protected by an inter-state cartel of the company and its competitors."

That doesn't feel like Capitalism.

Athletes are not employee's...They are students.
 
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Do you actually think role players for decades have been unaware star players on their teams have received extra benefits financially?
No...BUT......you have a dude getting big $$$ as a 5*, but you are getting pennies, as a 4*---while producing, could cause issues...Monies under the table, i.e. extra benefits, isn't laundry usually laid out in the locker rooms. BUt now, well, it would be.
 
Not mistreated, exploited. What's insane is how much work and effort athletes have to commit to become elite or just play in Div I. That is their job. What is wrong for a kid to get paid from sales of his likeness? Your commits reek of jealousy.
Where does this jealousy shit come into play? Its such a 5th grade argument...WTF would I be jealous about?

Exploited? Really? So I guess they are being forced(exploited) to play on national TV every night....Or by forcing them to travel to Maui, on the schools dime..Or the Bahama's...Or any other eccentric island these teams go and play at. These kids are receiving free room, board, medical, clothing...Not to mention access to some of the best medical care, training facilities in the country. On top of traveling the country, staying in very nice, and at times, lavish hotels---on the schools dime---All the while getting to showcase their talents on the biggest stages.

Yeah...Poor kids. I mean how could someone survive that type of treatment?
 
No...BUT......you have a dude getting big $$$ as a 5*, but you are getting pennies, as a 4*---while producing, could cause issues...Monies under the table, i.e. extra benefits, isn't laundry usually laid out in the locker rooms. BUt now, well, it would be.
The discrepancy has been going on for decades. The gap is not big $ to pennies either. Programs are getting busted ponying up big $ to 4 star players.
 
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Where does this jealousy shit come into play? Its such a 5th grade argument...WTF would I be jealous about?

Exploited? Really? So I guess they are being forced(exploited) to play on national TV every night....Or by forcing them to travel to Maui, on the schools dime..Or the Bahama's...Or any other eccentric island these teams go and play at. These kids are receiving free room, board, medical, clothing...Not to mention access to some of the best medical care, training facilities in the country. On top of traveling the country, staying in very nice, and at times, lavish hotels---on the schools dime---All the while getting to showcase their talents on the biggest stages.

Yeah...Poor kids. I mean how could someone survive that type of treatment?
If they ever get around to paying players, Refs should revolt and foul them all out by halftime. Let everybody watch the walk-ons decide the games in the 2nd half. It would be must see TV, it's not about the name on the back of the jersey, it's about the name on the front of it.
 
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What is wrong for a kid to get paid from sales of his likeness?
So, should every kid featured in "One Shining Moment", be compensated(paid royalties) every time its shown? Should every single player shown in Lorenzo Charles dunk to win the 1984 NCAA title, be compensated? What about when the NCAA shows Laettner's shot? Should every player in the clip, be paid royalties? SHould Keith Smart get paid every time the NCAA shows his game winner?

I have no issue with a kid making money, while in college, i.e. commercials, shoe deals, etc, etc...I mean if the NCAA should pony up, then why shouldn't the schools as well? Why shouldn't UK have to pay any player, for every jersey they sold at home games? I mean, those dudes were $80 a pop---some around $100. I mean are you fine with UK profiting off UK players----but not the NCAA?
 
Ask other poster to add up their income for the last 30 years and see what the number comes to. I have done it and is millions, so a few million at 23 years old will not set you up for life.
Do you not understand how compound interest works? $3m at 23 years old >>>>>>>>>>>>>> $3m over 30 years starting at age 23.

Anyway, I don't buy the jealousy aspect for people upset with this decision. It's not jealousy, it's just fear that the sport they love will not be the same. And they're right - the sport will change. Maybe it will die. It's a really, really crappy justification to hold onto a monopolistic system that exploits labor (capitalism for me, but not for thee!), but it's technically A justification to want to keep exploiting people.

And to all the people whining about what "student-athletes" receive (food! facilities! travel! education!), you're missing the point of, well, capitalism (or more accurately, mixed markets). The point is not what they receive vis-a-vis what you think they're entitled to (and what is the basis for what is enough in your eyes and what is too much/too little anyway?). It's what they'd receive vis-a-vis a fully functioning (i.e. not monopolistic) market.
 
Do you not understand how compound interest works? $3m at 23 years old >>>>>>>>>>>>>> $3m over 30 years starting at age 23.

Anyway, I don't buy the jealousy aspect for people upset with this decision. It's not jealousy, it's just fear that the sport they love will not be the same. And they're right - the sport will change. Maybe it will die. It's a really, really crappy justification to hold onto a monopolistic system that exploits labor (capitalism for me, but not for thee!), but it's technically A justification to want to keep exploiting people.

And to all the people whining about what "student-athletes" receive (food! facilities! travel! education!), you're missing the point of, well, capitalism (or more accurately, mixed markets). The point is not what they receive vis-a-vis what you think they're entitled to (and what is the basis for what is enough in your eyes and what is too much/too little anyway?). It's what they'd receive vis-a-vis a fully functioning (i.e. not monopolistic) market.
They are not employee's....They are students. Not sure why some of ya'll keep speaking if them(students) in the context of an employee...
 
Anyway, I don't buy the jealousy aspect for people upset with this decision. It's not jealousy, it's just fear that the sport they love will not be the same. And they're right - the sport will change. Maybe it will die. It's a really, really crappy justification to hold onto a monopolistic system that exploits labor (capitalism for me, but not for thee!), but it's technically A justification to want to keep exploiting people.
So we wanna call for the NCAA to pay up---but why not the schools? Are they(schools) not "exploiting" these kids as well? 24,000 at Rupp every night....To watch these kids doing their "laboring". Should they(players) not get a percentage of the gate? What about a percentage of the concessions as well? Not to mention a percentage of sales at the gift shops? What about when Billy Bob buys three jersey's, at $75 a pop...Should that player of the jersey bought get some of that? Or is that different?

If kids wanna market their name,likeliness,thats fine. Let'em have it. Sign yourself a shoe deal...do some commercials at the local dealership, etc, etc...Get paid. But to have the NCAA pay them,or the school, is silliness. No reason to ruin the sport, over a handful of kids. I mean lets be honest....We are talking about kids who have the potential to be 1st round/lotto picks. Not the kids who will be in school for 3/4 years. THis is about the AD's, John Walls, Zion's, Cunnighams, etc, etc...Not the 100th rated PG....or even the Top 50 kid. THis about the 5" kids...Top 10 kids to be exact. So lets restructure the entire system, chance ruining this great sport, over a few kids----Really?
 
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