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I can't get into this Boiler, sorry... just a dead end. Plus, why can't you respond, like, when the thread is active? I literally don't remember what this post was about.

I'll just make a few random points:

A) I was responding to this idea that "the far left" is dangerous, but ignoring the far right. When people here rail about the "far left" they are generally angry at that wacked out Cali professor or a lesbian with purple hair who endorses the term "womyn" over "woman" or gay people who think they should be able to get a cake from whomever they want. That isn't dangerous, or it is at least not as dangerous as the right wing militia guys who are literally training to shoot American soldiers and threatening that, if certain gun laws are passed legally and in ways outlined by our constitution, that approved government officials would have to pry certain guns out of their cold, dead hands.

B) I feel like you don't know the actual facts. Here:

http://fortune.com/2017/02/13/donal...y-cve-right-wing-extremism-terrorism-germany/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...re-they-are-erroll-southers-column/577308001/

The VAST majority of violence and murders by extremists over the past decade in the United States have been committed by right wing extremists. I know Antifa gets press on the right wing media sites, but they actually don't do much.

C) No, groups of college kids protesting hate-spewing pervert assholes and liars like Milos "Sex abuse isn't that bad" Yiannopoulos from spreading their nonsense are not that dangerous.

D) First, I have never met a single American who wants the United States to be fully socialist. MANY Americans feel that our key services, like medical care and education, should NOT be profit driven, but I don't see ANYONE of importance calling for all business to be in the hands of the collective and not the private citizen. True socialism ends with millions of people dead? Huh? Do you mean communism?

You are treating "socialism" like some boogeyman. There are some aspects of our society that will work better for the American people if they reflect a more capitalist approach, and there are some aspects of our society that will work better for the American people if they reflect a more socialist approach. Not sure how anyone could advocate for entirely one or the other, and I've never seen anyone of note do that.

The FAR far left and FAR far right are generally equally dumb, and equally small. Most of us reasonable people are closer to the middle, and have more common ground that differences.

“I can’t get into this.”



*writes a a 5+ paragraph essay on it*
 
Hm, just randomly read this story on CNN, about a woman who pushed for English money to include a first female figure. She talks about what happened after she pushed for that:

It was the day after the Bank of England announced that Jane Austen would feature on the next £10 note that I received my first rape threat. It would by no means be my last.

What followed on from that was three weeks where every single day, every hour, every minute, my Twitter mentions were filled with a stream of anonymous threats. Threats of gang rape. Of mutilation. Of being pistol-whipped and set on fire. Of being raped to death with a metal pole. Some threats included an address and phone number they'd dug up. One man tweeted about a gun he'd bought, wondering how much death it would buy him.

It is very easy for people who have never received such threats to tell you to just ignore them. These people don't mean it, they say. They're just trying to scare you.

Well, yes they were. And they succeeded. I had no idea who these threats were coming from. I had no idea where they were coming from. As one of the threats I received warned, it could be from someone I knew. I had no way of knowing if that was true.

All I knew was that it took only one person to mean it. I was scared to leave my home; the address they'd found was thankfully not my home address, but how long would it take them to find it? Clearly, they were looking.

And all because I had wanted what I had thought was a fairly mild request: for a woman to feature on the back of one of the four notes issued by the Bank of England.


Woof.

Anyway, touches on men, women, social institutions, expectations, and how some people REALLY push back when women "step out of place" despite the fact that some people say that things are largely equal today.

BTW, I hope that every response here is something like "Jesus, that is disgusting".
The threats given to her are atrocious. Should never happen. That said, the types of attacks that were described sound very similar to one specific group type. I'll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with the Right or the Left, and this particular group is causing all sorts of trouble in Europe.
 
Literally all of your criteria for a stereotypical liberal satisfies the criteria for a stereotypical conservative.

Also, I don't think @TheDude1 is a stereotypical liberal. Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have done this for years. They define what a "liberal" is with extreme or trivial criteria then deem anything that makes them uncomfortable as liberal.

Being liberal is a compliment, to be honest. I'll gladly own the idea of throwing away tradition and being open to better ideas. Because that's the definition of a liberal.

And thank God for these people, who've brought us science, the internet and nearly every modern convenience. You can't be on the cutting edge and be conservative.
I'm all for better ideas. Problem is that many if not most ideas Liberals push aren't better and actually hold people down.
 
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Hmm... in some ways I am a pretty "typical" liberal I think. I support women being able to choose whether or not they want an abortion, rather than making it a government decision (which is strange, because that seems more libertarian, but what is and is not liberal is a bit of a mess now). I take the word of scientists when discussing science. I think there is still a pretty powerful undercurrent of racism and sexism in this country. I think that committed gay couples should enjoy the legal and tax benefits of straight couples. There are a few ways I am a fairly "typical" liberal.

There are also ways I am not the "stereotype" of a liberal. I enjoy guns and shooting. I think our borders should be militarized. I support Gitmo and that sort of thing (which is a weird one, because conservatives should HATE something that circumvents our legal system, but exactly what is liberal and what is conservative seems to have been warped.) And I hate to admit it, but it's hard for me to call a transgender person the new gender in general discussions.

Of course, most people hopefully realize the difference between a stereotype and the real thing, even if we occasionally struggle with it when we are faced with what appears to be the stereotype. I've struggled with that on occasion. Lord knows, there are a few posters here who struggle with it non-stop.
I'm confused about the above statement. Are you saying it's Libertarian to have the government say what is and isn't allowed?
 
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I'm confused about the above statement. Are you saying it's Libertarian to have the government say what is and isn't allowed?

No, the opposte: it is rather libertarian to say that the government SHOULDNT be involved in individual medical decisions... but for some reason the right seems to think that the government SHOULD be involved in certain medical decisions... namely abortion.
 
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The threats given to her are atrocious. Should never happen. That said, the types of attacks that were described sound very similar to one specific group type. I'll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with the Right or the Left, and this particular group is causing all sorts of trouble in Europe.

Uhhh... I don't know what group you mean. Men on the internet? 4chan readers?
 
Wrong. Has nothing to do with "effort" and every thing to do with biology. Some of us don't believe you get to choose whether you're a female or a male. Biology determines that. So until there is concrete evidence (not hermaphrodites and other extremely rare genetic issues) transgender stuff is actually a real thing, I'm not buying into it. I'm not being a jerk. I'm not being rude. I'm just not agreeing with their made up cry for help.
I think we definitely don't understand the mind and issues like transgender enough to fully understand what's happening there. There's some evidence to suggest that it's a serious mental health issue considering the suicide rate is considerably higher under transgenders vs any other group. What I mean by considerable is that the average suicide rate is roughly 4% of the population, but under transgender it's 40%.
 
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If by "prove" you mean "look up statistics," I have, and they generally support what I've said: girls, non-white, non-Christian, LGBTQ get it worse.
None of those groups are exclusively Left... I know a ton of non white, non christian and gay Right people. But the Left media would have you believe they are all on their side...
 
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No, the opposte: it is rather libertarian to say that the government SHOULDNT be involved in individual medical decisions... but for some reason the right seems to think that the government SHOULD be involved in certain medical decisions... namely abortion.

You see nothing wrong with aborting viable, healthy, 2nd or 3rd term pregnancies?
 
Can't see your pics Hail.

But to answer your last question, sure, don't see why not seeing as how Mexico owned California at one point.

As for California's market, and having literally the highest GDP of any other state within the Continental US, how exactly would California be hurt if it finally decided to secede?
You do realize that the GDP of California has gone down CONSIDERABLY under the watch of the Left right? California has the 7th highest economy in the world right now. Before the left took over it was the 5th. California is going to hell in a hand basket and the rest of the country would be better of without them.
 
You do realize that the GDP of California has gone down CONSIDERABLY under the watch of the Left right? California has the 7th highest economy in the world right now. Before the left took over it was the 5th. California is going to hell in a hand basket and the rest of the country would be better of without them.

Thank you for this indepth economic analysis
 
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See, Boiler, statements like that are ridiculous. When was the right in charge of Cali? What caused any economic drop, and how was it connected to the world? How on earth do you think we as a nation could lose all of that money and do fine? More moderate, thoughtful stances would do wonders.
 
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No, the opposte: it is rather libertarian to say that the government SHOULDNT be involved in individual medical decisions... but for some reason the right seems to think that the government SHOULD be involved in certain medical decisions... namely abortion.
I think the only reason why they feel that way is because it's a life that's being killed and if you don't believe it is, where do you draw the line?
 
Dude. I watched about 3 minutes of this. You’re gonna need some better evidence than a YouTube collage of random local news 6 seconds clips and “the sky is falling because of liberals” radio talk show hosts all giving their opinions on the California economy. Lol
How about you actually watch the video and see all that is presented before blowing something off. You might learn something.
 
See, Boiler, statements like that are ridiculous. When was the right in charge of Cali? What caused any economic drop, and how was it connected to the world? How on earth do you think we as a nation could lose all of that money and do fine? More moderate, thoughtful stances would do wonders.
https://www.270towin.com/states/California

From 1860 to about 1990, California voted Republican for president 23 times out of 33 or 66% of the time. Since 1990 it's been all Democrat. California is now by far the most left state in the union.
 
Oh God we've descended into conservative YouTube propaganda videos. This thread is a wrap.
How about you try and refute what is said instead of calling it propaganda. It's only propaganda if it's not true. I'm fine with being proven wrong, but I haven't seen any argument to the contrary.
 
How about you actually watch the video and see all that is presented before blowing something off. You might learn something.
I watched the first 3 minutes of it. Sorry I can’t watch the whole thing. If the first 3 minutes are going to be short clips that attempt to build the video makers narrative then it’s obviously going to be propaganda, especially when what’s being said doesn’t jive with what most respected news outlets report on. I don’t know much about the California economy but by just googling it you will see that their economy has outpaced most of the United States this decade. As recently as 2016 they had the 4th fastest growing economy although they fell off to 35th in late 2017.

Also, the California economy world ranking doesn’t appear to be exactly known. Some say 5th, most say 6th while others say 7th. It does not look like anybody is saying that it’s rapidly dropping and in real danger of doing harm to the United States overall.
 
Yea, I'm not one the would like to see California succeed, as I do think it would hurt the US in some ways. However, we would still be a lot better off without them then they would be without us.
 
https://www.270towin.com/states/California

From 1860 to about 1990, California voted Republican for president 23 times out of 33 or 66% of the time. Since 1990 it's been all Democrat. California is now by far the most left state in the union.

Uh... was California one of the top 6 or so economies in the world before 1990? Because they are now.

And being left or right doesn't matter if we are talking about success. Texas is pretty far right as a state, but does pretty well in most economic indicators.

I think you are really latching onto some right vs left thing, and throwing everything you can at it... California, Socialists... facts be damned.
 
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I watched the first 3 minutes of it. Sorry I can’t watch the whole thing. If the first 3 minutes are going to be short clips that attempt to build the video makers narrative then it’s obviously going to be propaganda, especially when what’s being said doesn’t jive with what most respected news outlets report on. I don’t know much about the California economy but by just googling it you will see that their economy has outpaced most of the United States this decade. As recently as 2016 they had the 4th fastest growing economy although they fell off to 35th in late 2017.

Also, the California economy world ranking doesn’t appear to be exactly known. Some say 5th, most say 6th while others say 7th. It does not look like anybody is saying that it’s rapidly dropping and in real danger of doing harm to the United States overall.
Because most media outlets don't tell you the full story.

California is the perfect experiment for what Dems want for all of us. Education is horrible and graded at a C- despite some of the highest paid teachers in the country. Taxes are massive as well as spending and it's going to inevitably collapse. They have the highest percentage of poor people in the country.


Just google "problems with California Economy" and you will get a bunch of articles from California papers talking about how the current resurgence is going to be short lived.

Even the NY Times talks about the trouble ahead for California
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/business/economy/california-recession.html
 
I think the only reason why they feel that way is because it's a life that's being killed and if you don't believe it is, where do you draw the line?

Yeah, but there is no accepted factual or scientific guidance in terms of what is or is not human life... it's generally a rather personal issue, with a healthy dose of religious impact.

Generally libertarians do NOT get involved with government regulating personal choices and issues, and they DEFINITELY don't get into government regulations being guided by religion.

The actual libertarian stance on abortion is this, from their platform:

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.


https://www.lp.org/platform/

You may be confusing libertarian with conservative. They are most assuredly two different things, ESPECIALLY in our modern politics, where conservative positions have become closely associated and informed by Christian "values".
 
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California is the perfect experiment for what Dems want for all of us. Education is horrible and graded at a C- despite some of the highest paid teachers in the country. Taxes are massive as well as spending and it's going to inevitably collapse. They have the highest percentage of poor people in the country.

See, statements like that are just so over the top that they become a bit of a mess. Dems want everyone to have horrible education and be poor? That's obviously not true.
 
I can't get into this Boiler, sorry... just a dead end. Plus, why can't you respond, like, when the thread is active? I literally don't remember what this post was about.

I'll just make a few random points:

A) I was responding to this idea that "the far left" is dangerous, but ignoring the far right. When people here rail about the "far left" they are generally angry at that wacked out Cali professor or a lesbian with purple hair who endorses the term "womyn" over "woman" or gay people who think they should be able to get a cake from whomever they want. That isn't dangerous, or it is at least not as dangerous as the right wing militia guys who are literally training to shoot American soldiers and threatening that, if certain gun laws are passed legally and in ways outlined by our constitution, that approved government officials would have to pry certain guns out of their cold, dead hands.

B) I feel like you don't know the actual facts. Here:

http://fortune.com/2017/02/13/donal...y-cve-right-wing-extremism-terrorism-germany/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...re-they-are-erroll-southers-column/577308001/

The VAST majority of violence and murders by extremists over the past decade in the United States have been committed by right wing extremists. I know Antifa gets press on the right wing media sites, but they actually don't do much.

C) No, groups of college kids protesting hate-spewing pervert assholes and liars like Milos "Sex abuse isn't that bad" Yiannopoulos from spreading their nonsense are not that dangerous.

D) First, I have never met a single American who wants the United States to be fully socialist. MANY Americans feel that our key services, like medical care and education, should NOT be profit driven, but I don't see ANYONE of importance calling for all business to be in the hands of the collective and not the private citizen. True socialism ends with millions of people dead? Huh? Do you mean communism?

You are treating "socialism" like some boogeyman. There are some aspects of our society that will work better for the American people if they reflect a more capitalist approach, and there are some aspects of our society that will work better for the American people if they reflect a more socialist approach. Not sure how anyone could advocate for entirely one or the other, and I've never seen anyone of note do that.

The FAR far left and FAR far right are generally equally dumb, and equally small. Most of us reasonable people are closer to the middle, and have more common ground that differences.
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How about you try and refute what is said instead of calling it propaganda. It's only propaganda if it's not true. I'm fine with being proven wrong, but I haven't seen any argument to the contrary.

Dude you're talking about your opinions being proven wrong. You're also arguing in generalities. There is nothing here about policy, nothing about the developing economies of the world and even more... who a state votes in favor of for President basically has very little impact on state economic policy.

Also, California has traditionally been "liberal" for 100+ years. You're dumbing down the conversation with the pundit bs.
 
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You do realize that the GDP of California has gone down CONSIDERABLY under the watch of the Left right? California has the 7th highest economy in the world right now. Before the left took over it was the 5th. California is going to hell in a hand basket and the rest of the country would be better of without them.
Fake news.
 
Uh... was California one of the top 6 or so economies in the world before 1990? Because they are now.

And being left or right doesn't matter if we are talking about success. Texas is pretty far right as a state, but does pretty well in most economic indicators.

I think you are really latching onto some right vs left thing, and throwing everything you can at it... California, Socialists... facts be damned.
"California’s economy is the largest of any U.S. state and is surpassed only by a handful of industrialized countries. Financiers in California have been imaginative in seeking and employing capital, and many of the country’s largest banks and corporations are based in the state. In 1965 California supplanted New York as the leading state in the export of manufactured goods. With the development of Silicon Valley in the late 1970s, California became a world leader in the manufacture of computers and electronics. By the end of the 20th century, the state’s economy was attracting highly educated workers from all over the world. Moreover, California has retained its dominance in the aerospace industry (though the industry declined in the 1990s), in the film and television industry, and in agriculture and viticulture."
 
See, Boiler, statements like that are ridiculous. When was the right in charge of Cali? What caused any economic drop, and how was it connected to the world? How on earth do you think we as a nation could lose all of that money and do fine? More moderate, thoughtful stances would do wonders.
Me thinks you should heed your own advice....
 
Yeah, but there is no accepted factual or scientific guidance in terms of what is or is not human life... it's generally a rather personal issue, with a healthy dose of religious impact.

Generally libertarians do NOT get involved with government regulating personal choices and issues, and they DEFINITELY don't get into government regulations being guided by religion.

The actual libertarian stance on abortion is this, from their platform:

1.5 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.


https://www.lp.org/platform/

You may be confusing libertarian with conservative. They are most assuredly two different things, ESPECIALLY in our modern politics, where conservative positions have become closely associated and informed by Christian "values".
I wasn't confusing anything. I was simply posting a video that shows what the right has to say about the issue.
 
See, statements like that are just so over the top that they become a bit of a mess. Dems want everyone to have horrible education and be poor? That's obviously not true.
Where did I say that? The point I was making is that the Dems claim to have all the answers and that answer is always to spend more (not that conservatives don't on many things either, but I'm Libertarian and believe spending more, or more clearly more government control is NOT the answer). Their spend more philosophy is blowing up in their face.
 
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