7th Annual College Basketball Draft

[FaithPlusOne]

I dropped the DPOY/1st team CAA player in Amari Williams and Branden Carlson who was first team all PAC 12. Hope that doesn’t bite me, but I did so to help keep zeigler. Their win shares were all pretty me’h. Just wondering how much points I may ultimately leave on the table.

 

[dukedevilz]

AP All-Americans have been announced!

1st Team
Zach Edey, Purdue
Dalton Knecht, Tennessee
Jamal Shead, Houston
R.J. Davis, North Carolina
Tristen Newton, UConn

2nd Team
Tyler Kolek, Marquette
Mark Sears, Alabama
DaRon Holmes II, Dayton
Kyle Filipowski, Duke
Hunter Dickinson, Kansas

3rd Team
Johni Broome, Auburn
Jaedon LeDee, San Diego State
Baylor Scheierman, Creighton
Terrence Shannon Jr., Illinois
Caleb Love, Arizona


Here's the breakdown by those in the draft.

GE Nole
Jamal Shead- 1st Team
RJ Davis- 1st Team
Tyler Kolek- 2nd Team
Mark Sears- 2nd Team

dukedevilz
Dalton Knecht- 1st Team
Kyle Filipwoski- 2nd Team
Baylor Scheierman- 3rd Team

IUfanBorden
Zach Edey- 1st Team
DaRon Holmes- 2nd Team

WojoRising
Hunter Dickinson- 2nd Team
Johni Broome- 3rd Team

duckboy33
Caleb Love- 3rd Team

ThePhog08
Terrence Shannon- 3rd Team

Undrafted:
Tristen Newton- 1st Team
Jaedon LeDee- 3rd Team

 

[dukedevilz]

dukedevilz
Dalton Knecht- 1st Team
Kyle Filipwoski- 2nd Team
Baylor Scheierman- 3rd Team

Apparently I didn't draft enough white guys.

 

[boilerzz]

AP All-Americans have been announced!

1st Team
Zach Edey, Purdue
Dalton Knecht, Tennessee
Jamal Shead, Houston
R.J. Davis, North Carolina
Tristen Newton, UConn

2nd Team
Tyler Kolek, Marquette
Mark Sears, Alabama
DaRon Holmes II, Dayton
Kyle Filipowski, Duke
Hunter Dickinson, Kansas

3rd Team
Johni Broome, Auburn
Jaedon LeDee, San Diego State
Baylor Scheierman, Creighton
Terrence Shannon Jr., Illinois
Caleb Love, Arizona


Here's the breakdown by those in the draft.

GE Nole
Jamal Shead- 1st Team
RJ Davis- 1st Team
Tyler Kolek- 2nd Team
Mark Sears- 2nd Team

dukedevilz
Dalton Knecht- 1st Team
Kyle Filipwoski- 2nd Team
Baylor Scheierman- 3rd Team

IUfanBorden
Zach Edey- 1st Team
DaRon Holmes- 2nd Team

WojoRising
Hunter Dickinson- 2nd Team
Johni Broome- 3rd Team

duckboy33
Caleb Love- 3rd Team

ThePhog08
Terrence Shannon- 3rd Team

Undrafted:
Tristen Newton- 1st Team
Jaedon LeDee- 3rd Team

Pretty crazy to me that Dickinson is 2nd team and McCullar is HM. I'd consider McCullar their best and most important player, even though he missed a few games.

 

[dukedevilz]

Pretty crazy to me that Dickinson is 2nd team and McCullar is HM. I'd consider McCullar their best and most important player, even though he missed a few games.

Definitely their most valuable player. Think he got docked for missing too many games. If McCullar were healthy, I think he would have been 1st Team All-American. Best two-way player in the country.

 

[boilerzz]

Definitely their most valuable player. Think he got docked for missing too many games. If McCullar were healthy, I think he would have been 1st Team All-American. Best two-way player in the country.

Oh I know that's probably the reason. I just think it's flawed since he only missed 6 games.

Of course, I'd have also put LeDee, Shannon and Love above Dickinson too.

 

[dukedevilz]

Oh I know that's probably the reason. I just think it's flawed since he only missed 6 games.

Of course, I'd have also put LeDee, Shannon and Love above Dickinson too.

Yeah, I'm with you. Think he deserved to at least be 2nd Team. And Dickinson's defense is really bad, too. Doesn't matter what coverage you put him in, he's not good. Huge liability. I'd have him on 3rd Team - maybe even HM AA.

And Terrence Shannon I thought was closer to being 1st Team than 3rd Team. I'd probably put Filipowski on the 3rd Team.

 

[boilerzz]

BTW, if I were to ask you who has more 1st team All-American's all time, Purdue or Kentucky, what would you guess?

 

[boilerzz]

Definitely their most valuable player. Think he got docked for missing too many games. If McCullar were healthy, I think he would have been 1st Team All-American. Best two-way player in the country.

Even more stunning. 6 voters didn't put Dalton Knecht on their first team ballot. Dafuq were they watching?

 

[WeAreDePaul]

LeDee is also what I call my penis when I'm trying to romance my wife.

 

[dukedevilz]

Even more stunning. 6 voters didn't put Dalton Knecht on their first team ballot. Dafuq were they watching?

Pretty crazy. I thought he was the consensus #2 player in the country. Might be a regional thing where some may have voted for a few guys in the Midwest/West instead for those last spots on the 1st Team.

 

[dukedevilz]

BTW, if I were to ask you who has more 1st team All-American's all time, Purdue or Kentucky, what would you guess?

Most everyone would naturally think Kentucky. But, if you're asking the question, it must be Purdue. I have a decent recollection of All-American selections from the past 30 years or so. I'd guess Purdue must have had quite a few 1st Team AAs way back when that are largely unknown today.

These are some of the players I believe were 1st Team AA.

Purdue:
Zach Eddy
Carsen Edwards
Caleb Swaynigan
JaJuan Johnson
Glenn Robinson
Joe Barry Carroll
John Wooden

I don't think Ivey, Hummel, Etwaun Moore, or Brian Cardinal were 1st Team Selections.. I know I'm missing some guys.

Kentucky:
Oscar Tshiebwe
Tyler Ulis
Willie Cauley-Stein
Anthony Davis
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
John Wall
Ron Mercer
Tony Delk
Jamal Mashburn
Jack Givens
Louie Damper
Dan Issel
Cliff Hagan

... Sheesh. I must be missing a lot here.

 

[boilerzz]

Most everyone would naturally think Kentucky. But, if you're asking the question, it must be Purdue. I have a decent recollection of All-American selections from the past 30 years or so. I'd guess Purdue must have had quite a few 1st Team AAs way back when that are largely unknown today.

These are some of the players I believe were 1st Team AA.

Purdue:
Zach Eddy
Carsen Edwards
Caleb Swaynigan
JaJuan Johnson
Glenn Robinson
Joe Barry Carroll
John Wooden

I don't think Ivey, Hummel, Etwaun Moore, or Brian Cardinal were 1st Team Selections.. I know I'm missing some guys.

Kentucky:
Oscar Tshiebwe
Tyler Ulis
Willie Cauley-Stein
Anthony Davis
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
John Wall
Ron Mercer
Tony Delk
Jamal Mashburn
Jack Givens
Louie Damper
Dan Issel
Cliff Hagan

... Sheesh. I must be missing a lot here.

Most all time:

Kansas 32
Purdue 28
Kentucky 27

You are correct that most of Purdue’s were a long time ago. That said, it is interesting to me that, after going 16 years without an All-American of any kind, Purdue has had someone make at least HM AA 14 times in the last 15 years.

All Americans - Purdue Boilermakers

Purdue's illustrious basketball history boasts 32 players that have won a total of 55 All-American honors, including 2023 consensus National Player of the Y...

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[lurkeraspect84]

UK has had 50 AP All-Americans. 27 1st team. 63 (94 times) total with other publications.

UNC also has 27 and Duke 24.

KU leads the way again with 25 different players, followed by UK with 22, Duke with 21 and Purdue with 19.

This is a stat that has hurt the OAD's. Davis, Randle, Towns, Zion, RJ could have all been 1st team if they came back for multiple years.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Which I can't help to wonder.., Has Purdue done less with more than any other school in history as far as tournament success goes?

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Side note: I had no idea Keady was hired from Western Kentucky and was an assistant under Eddie Sutton.

 

[boilerzz]

Which I can't help to wonder.., Has Purdue done less with more than any other school in history as far as tournament success goes?

Depends on how you look at it. Purdue’s reality is they’ve had coaches who were mediocre recruiters but excellent talent developers and guys who’ve been able to make the sum much greater than the parts. That builds great regular season teams but talent tends to win out in the tournament.

Painter has had 10 different All-Americans at some level in the last 15 years but only one of them (Swanigan) was a 5 star recruit. I think only Swanigan and Moore were top 50 recruits.

 

[Necessary Roughness]

WTF Purdue! All those AA's and nothing to show for it?

 

[boilerzz]

WTF Purdue! All those AA's and nothing to show for it?

Most of those happened before there was an NCAA tournament.

 

[dukedevilz]

Here's a breakdown of the schools with the most 1st Team AP All-Americans. These selections date back to the 1947-48 season. I wasn't too far off when I was trying to guess the 1st Team AAs for Kentucky/Purdue. I had 14 and 7, respectively.

Kentucky (18):
Oscar Tshiebwe
Tyler Ulis
Willie Cauley-Stein
Anthony Davis
DeMarcus Cousins
John Wall
Ron Mercer
Jamal Mashburn
Kenny Walker
Kyle Macy
Dan Issel
Louie Dampier
Cotton Nash
Johnny Cox
Cliff Hagan
Bill Spivey
Ralph Beard
Alex Groza

Duke (18):
RJ Barrett
Zion Williamson
Marvin Bagley
Jahlil Okafor
Jabari Parker
Nolan Smith
JJ Redick
Shelden Williams
Jay Williams
Shane Battier
Elton Brand
Grant Hill
Bobby Hurley
Christian Laettner
Danny Ferry
Johnny Dawkins
Art Heyman
Dick Groat

UNC (14):
RJ Davis
Justin Jackson
Brice Johnson
Tyler Hansbrough
Joe Forte
Antawn Jamison
Jerry Stackhouse
JR Reid
Kenny Smith
Michael Jordan
Sam Perkins
Phil Ford
Larry Miller
Lennie Rosenbluth

UCLA (13):
Lonzo Ball
Kevin Love
Arron Afflalo
Ed O'Bannon
Dave Greenwood
Marques Johnson
Dave Meyers
Bill Walton
Jamaal Wilkes
Sidney Wicks
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Gail Goodrich
Mandi Abdul-Rahman

Kansas (13):
Jalen Wilson
Ochai Agbaji
Devonte' Graham
Frank Mason
Thomas Robinson
Wayne Simien
Nick Collison
Drew Gooden
Raef LaFrentz
Paul Pierce
Danny Manning
Wilt Chamberlain
Clyde Lovellette

Indiana (9):
Trayce Jackson-Davis
Victor Oladipo
AJ Guyton
Calbert Cheaney
Steve Alford
Isiah Thomas
Kent Benson
Scott May
Don Schulundt

Ohio State (9):
D'Angelo Russell
Jared Sullinger
Evan Turner
Greg Oden
Jimmy Jackson
Gary Bradds
Jerry Lucas
Robin Freeman
Dick Schnittker

Purdue (8):
Zach Edey
Caleb Swanigan
JaJuan Johnson
Glenn Robinson
Joe Barry Carroll
Rick Mount
Dave Schellhase
Terry Dischinger

UConn (7):
Tristen Newton
Shabazz Napier
Kemba Walker
Emeka Okafor
Richard Hamilton
Ray Allen
Donyell Marshall

 

[dukedevilz]

^UConn has won a national title the past 4 times they had a 1st Team All-American.

 

[dukedevilz]

Here are the AP Honorable Mention All-Americans:
Armando Bacot, North Carolina
Keion Brooks Jr., Washington
Boo Buie, Northwestern
Devin Carter, Providence
Donovan Clingan, UConn
LJ Cryer, Houston
Tucker DeVries, Drake
Enrique Freeman, Akron
P.J. Hall, Clemson
Graham Ike, Gonzaga
David Jones, Memphis
Ryan Kalkbrenner, Creighton
Tamin Lipsey, Iowa State
Kevin McCullar Jr., Kansas
Great Osobor, Utah State
Antonio Reeves, Kentucky
Reed Sheppard, Kentucky
Braden Smith, Purdue
Cam Spencer, UConn
Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
Vonterius Woolbright, Western Carolina

 

[IUfanBorden]

Here are the AP Honorable Mention All-Americans:
Armando Bacot, North Carolina
Keion Brooks Jr., Washington
Boo Buie, Northwestern
Devin Carter, Providence
Donovan Clingan, UConn
LJ Cryer, Houston
Tucker DeVries, Drake
Enrique Freeman, Akron
P.J. Hall, Clemson
Graham Ike, Gonzaga
David Jones, Memphis
Ryan Kalkbrenner, Creighton
Tamin Lipsey, Iowa State
Kevin McCullar Jr., Kansas
Great Osobor, Utah State
Antonio Reeves, Kentucky
Reed Sheppard, Kentucky
Braden Smith, Purdue
Cam Spencer, UConn
Isaiah Stevens, Colorado State
Vonterius Woolbright, Western Carolina

Not sure how Reeves doesn't make at least 3rd team.

 

[boilerzz]

I'm shocked that Kam Jones wasn't at least HM all conference. He's averaging 17 ppg and shooting 41% from three for the #2 team in the Big East.

Bump

 

[boilerzz]

When all is said and done, I wonder how many of the guys we drafted with eligibility left end up in the portal. Seems like I've seen several already.

 

[GE Nole]

Anyone know who the Regional MOPs were? I am pretty sure Burns was one of them. Probably Edey. Maybe Sears?

 

[dukedevilz]

Anyone know who the Regional MOPs were? I am pretty sure Burns was one of them. Probably Edey. Maybe Sears?

Here you go. Here are the All-Tournament teams for each region and the MOP, listed at the top.

EAST REGION
Donovan Clingan (MOP) - Connecticut
Cam Spencer - Connecticut
Stephon Castle - Connecticut
Terrence Shannon - Illinois
Jaedon LeDee - San Diego State

WEST REGION
Mark Sears (MOP) - Alabama
Grant Nelson - Alabama
PJ Hall - Clemson
Chase Hunter - Clemson
Ian Schieffelin - Clemson

SOUTH REGION
DJ Burns (MOP) - N.C. State
DJ Horne - N.C. State
Kyle Filipowksi - Duke
Jared McCain - Duke
Tyler Kolek - Marquette

MIDWEST REGION
Zach Edey (MOP) - Purdue
Braden Smith - Purdue
Dalton Knecht - Tennessee
Zakai Zeigler - Tennessee
Baylor Scheierman - Creighton

 

[WeAreDePaul]

Here you go. Here are the All-Tournament teams for each region and the MOP, listed at the top.

EAST REGION
Donovan Clingan (MOP) - Connecticut
Cam Spencer - Connecticut
Stephon Castle - Connecticut
Terrence Shannon - Illinois
Jaedon LeDee - San Diego State

WEST REGION
Mark Sears (MOP) - Alabama
Grant Nelson - Alabama
PJ Hall - Clemson
Chase Hunter - Clemson
Ian Schieffelin - Clemson

SOUTH REGION
DJ Burns (MOP) - N.C. State
DJ Horne - N.C. State
Kyle Filipowksi - Duke
Jared McCain - Duke
Tyler Kolek - Marquette

MIDWEST REGION
Zach Edey (MOP) - Purdue
Braden Smith - Purdue
Dalton Knecht - Tennessee
Zakai Zeigler - Tennessee
Baylor Scheierman - Creighton

I would've removed Shannon and Schieffelin from those team because of their piss por E8 performances.

 

[dukedevilz]

When all is said and done, I wonder how many of the guys we drafted with eligibility left end up in the portal. Seems like I've seen several already.

At least 10. I may have missed some - and we'll probably see more enter the portal.

Josh Cohen, UMass (to Arkansas)
Riley Kugel, Florida (to Kansas)
Omaha Biliew, Iowa State
Cliff Omoruyi, Rutgers
Sean Pedulla, Virginia Tech
Tucker DeVries, Drake (to West Virginia)
Zeke Mayo, South Dakota State
Jamal Mashburn, New Mexico
Pop Isaacs, Texas Tech
Milos Uzan, Oklahoma

 

[dukedevilz]

Draft Results are in! @GE Nole kicked everyone's butt. He earned his 2nd career draft title (previous one was the 2019-20 season). His most valuable players were taken in Rounds 4-7. RJ Davis, Jamal Shead, and Mark Sears were all in the top 5 for individual points, and none of them were taken in the first 3 rounds. The draft is not won in Round 1. My team had a decent finish; I actually drafted much better with my last 5 picks than my first 5 picks.

FINAL STANDINGS
1. GE Nole, 97.7
2. IUfanBorden, 89.7
3. dukedevilz, 85.5

4. FaithPlusOne, 78.8
5. ThePhog08, 77.4
6. boilerzz, 72.9
7. WojoRising, 71.3
8. WeAreDePaul, 64.4
9. Necessary Roughness, 57.9
10. duckboy33, 52.8
11. lurkeraspect84, 39.7

And here is the team-by-team breakdown.

@IUfanBorden @FaithPlusOne @ThePhog08 @boilerzz @WojoRising @WeAreDePaul @Necessary Roughness @duckboy33 @lurkeraspect84

 

[dukedevilz]

And here are the top 25 players that were drafted this season... The top 3 teams had each of the top 8 players in the draft.

 

[WeAreDePaul]

Draft Results are in! @GE Nole kicked everyone's butt. He earned his 2nd career draft title (previous one was the 2019-20 season). His most valuable players were taken in Rounds 4-7. RJ Davis, Jamal Shead, and Mark Sears were all in the top 5 for individual points, and none of them were taken in the first 3 rounds. The draft is not won in Round 1. My team had a decent finish; I actually drafted much better with my last 5 picks than my first 5 picks.

FINAL STANDINGS
1. GE Nole, 97.7
2. IUfanBorden, 89.7
3. dukedevilz, 85.5

4. FaithPlusOne, 78.8
5. ThePhog08, 77.4
6. boilerzz, 72.9
7. WojoRising, 71.3
8. WeAreDePaul, 64.4
9. Necessary Roughness, 57.9
10. duckboy33, 52.8
11. lurkeraspect84, 39.7

And here is the team-by-team breakdown. Double-click on the screenshots to enlarge the numbers.

@IUfanBorden @FaithPlusOne @ThePhog08 @boilerzz @WojoRising @WeAreDePaul @Necessary Roughness @duckboy33 @lurkeraspect84

refresh my memory, what was the draft order? Looking to see who improved their position the most vs who fell off the most.

 

[dukedevilz]

refresh my memory, what was the draft order? Looking to see who improved their position the most vs who fell off the most.

Look at the individual stats of the teams. It's already in order.

 

[WeAreDePaul]

True Standings based on how people did relative to draft position:

1. The Phog = +5
2. GE Noles = +4
3. WeAreDePaul = +3
3. FaithPlusOne = +3
5. Boilerz = broke even
5. Necessary Rough = broke even
7. IU Borden = -1
7. Dukedevilz = -1
9. Lurker = -3
10. WojoRising = -4
11. Duckboy = -6


@duckboy33 getting relegated to the women's CBB draft league.

 

[dukedevilz]

1. The Phog = +5
2. GE Noles = +4
3. WeAreDePaul = +3
3. FaithPlusOne = +3
5. Boilerz = broke even
5. Necessary Rough = broke even
7. IU Borden = -1
7. Dukedevilz = -1
9. Lurker = -3
10. WojoRising = -4
11. Duckboy = -6


@duckboy33 getting relegated to the women's CBB draft league.

So, you got 3rd place?

That's funny, my JV team, players that were entirely undrafted, outscored your team 66.8 to 64.4.

Tristen Newton- 16.2
Tamin Lipsey- 11.5
J'Wan Roberts- 7.5
Tristan Enaruna- 7.4
Coleman Hawkins- 6.6
AJ Storr- 6.2
Rayshon Harrison- 5.0
Tyler Burton- 3.2
Demarcus Sharp-3.2

Here's my 12-man JV roster:

Tyler Burton, Villanova
Tristen Newton, UConn
J'Wan Roberts, Houston
Tamin Lipsey, Iowa State
Olivier Nkamhoua, Michigan (cut)
Coleman Hawkins, Illinois
AJ Storr, Wisconsin
Berke Buyuktuncel, UCLA (cut)
Devo Davis, Arkansas (cut)
Rayshon Harrison, Grand Canyon
Tristan Enaruna, Cleveland State
Demarcus Sharp, Northwestern State

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Draft Results are in! @GE Nole kicked everyone's butt. He earned his 2nd career draft title (previous one was the 2019-20 season). His most valuable players were taken in Rounds 4-7. RJ Davis, Jamal Shead, and Mark Sears were all in the top 5 for individual points, and none of them were taken in the first 3 rounds. The draft is not won in Round 1. My team had a decent finish; I actually drafted much better with my last 5 picks than my first 5 picks.

FINAL STANDINGS
1. GE Nole, 97.7
2. IUfanBorden, 89.7
3. dukedevilz, 85.5

4. FaithPlusOne, 78.8
5. ThePhog08, 77.4
6. boilerzz, 72.9
7. WojoRising, 71.3
8. WeAreDePaul, 64.4
9. Necessary Roughness, 57.9
10. duckboy33, 52.8
11. lurkeraspect84, 39.7

And here is the team-by-team breakdown.

@IUfanBorden @FaithPlusOne @ThePhog08 @boilerzz @WojoRising @WeAreDePaul @Necessary Roughness @duckboy33 @lurkeraspect84

 

[dukedevilz]

It's a game of luck and chance. I would say you go a little too hard on the Kentucky ties. DJ Wagner, Aaron Bradshaw, Daimion Collins, Bryce Hopkins, and Jamal Mashburn Jr.

Bryce Hopkins did have a season-ending injury, though. I'd just try to diversify your picks a little bit.

 

[FaithPlusOne]

@dukedevilz

Thanks again for doing this. Always a blast!

 

[dukedevilz]

@dukedevilz

Thanks again for doing this. Always a blast!

Absolutely! Always love this draft.

And thinking about the draft next season, I feel like it's going to be significantly harder. Continuity exists with very few teams. Transfers galore this offseason. Some of those guys will skyrocket with a change of scenery/new coach - and other guys will take a dip in production. But, that's the beauty of these things. It's not super predictable!

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Absolutely! Always love this draft.

And thinking about the draft next season, I feel like it's going to be significantly harder. Continuity exists with very few teams. Transfers galore this offseason. Some of those guys will skyrocket with a change of scenery/new coach - and other guys will take a dip in production. But, that's the beauty of these things. It's not super predictable!

I, for one, am looking forward to taking all the players others don't want.