Coach K and Boeheim making a last ditch effort?WWW has 17 days to work his magic.
This was so funny in 2009WWW has 17 days to work his magic.
Clemson plays at home on that date against ND.Clemson.
By deciding in Jan., Zion already has a clear idea of what the roster will look like for his new team.
or he does not care what the roster will look like
he will get his minutes regardless
with that said i think he is Clemson bound
around the 18th see if there is any movement from the national guys/gals
you can't really say thatTrue, but if that was the case, he would have committed earlier.
you can't really say that
he may not have made his mind up or there could be many other reasons
You really think he JUST made his mind up?
If he chooses Clemson, he must not have high aspirations for a successful year of college hoops.
If he chooses Clemson, he must not have high aspirations for a successful year of college hoops.
While you are right, that is much more the outlier than the norm. Ben Simmons anyone?Trae Young says hi!
While you are right, that is much more the outlier than the norm. Ben Simmons anyone?
Agree to disagree. More times than not if you're a stud player on an average team, you won't do as well as the perennial powers.I think Ben Simmons is more of the outlier in that scenario. Simmons went to a team with the worst coach in college basketball and had season long issues with his teammates. The result was a terrible team that played Simmons completely out of position and wouldn't let him run the point because of poor coaching and jealous teammates.
Trae Young embraced his team and coach and the results are obviously polar opposite to Simmons.
Agree to disagree. More times than not if you're a stud player on an average team, you won't do as well as the perennial powers.
Michael Beasley, Kevin Durant, Emmanuel Mudiay just off the top of my head. All guys that were consensus top guys in their class that failed to do much at the college level.How often does it even happen? We're talking about a stud, not just a top prospect. Granted, Trae wasn't considered a stud when he signed with OU, but he clearly is. Williamson is also in that stud, very top of the class category.
Who else from that elite of the elite category has gone on to play for an average team? Not saying you are wrong, but don't remember any examples off the top of my head.
Michael Beasley, Kevin Durant, Emmanuel Mudiay just off the top of my head. All guys that were consensus top guys in their class that failed to do much at the college level.
Mayo, Ivan Rabb
Fultz would be a much better comparison to Young
Michael Beasley, Kevin Durant, Emmanuel Mudiay just off the top of my head. All guys that were consensus top guys in their class that failed to do much at the college level.
Fultz definitely a great example.
Rabb not so much especially considering he went to Berkley alongside another elite recruit in Jaylen Brown. When it comes down to it, Rabb just isn't that good and was overrated coming out of high school.
Mayo did make the tournament as a 6 seed his one season.
Yes, my mistake. Was going through a list of past classes and for some reason skipped that part.Beasley had a great year at KState and made it to the 2nd round of the NCAA that year. Hardly what I would call a failed year.
Durant went to a team that went to the elite 8 the year before and the year after he left. Still made it to the 2nd round his year and he won NPOY. Hardly a failed year. Also, hardly a mediocre team he went to.
Mudiay didn't go to college so not sure why you would include him unless it was a honest mistake on your part.
Read the rest of the conversation. Going by team accomplishments. His KState team was not very good.Beasley was an absolute stud at Kstate. What are you talking about?
Clemson is in the top 25 right now btw.Read the rest of the conversation. Going by team accomplishments. His KState team was not very good.
Read the rest of the conversation. Going by team accomplishments. His KState team was not very good.
Yes, my mistake. Was going through a list of past classes and for some reason skipped that part.
I thought were talking team accomplishments? I was arguing stud high school players who come in for just a year of college and go to usual powerhouses have better years than those who go play for average teams. Not individual numbers wise, but as far as wins go, tournament success, things like that.
Right, I wasn't necessarily talking about Zion. Just in general.Clemson is in the top 25 right now btw.
We good, Oz. Kid was definitely a monster. Had some eye opening games while he was at Kansas State.My bad jimbo. I just scanned and saw Beasley’s name. I saw him play in person several times and he absolutely dominated on the collegiate level.
I guess it just depends on your expectations, right? If making the second weekend of the tournament is your team goal, then sure, you can do that almost anywhere if you're a good enough player. If your goal is to win a title, and you're going to be in college for a year, your best bet is to sign with a perennial contender.Beasely went to the 2nd round of the tournament so I wouldn't say he wasn't successful. There's no guarantee that going to a blue blood is going to get you deep in the tournament.
As long as you make the tourney and have a great individual season and end up at the top of the draft I would say that was a very successful college one season career.
Markelle Fultz anyone else?While you are right, that is much more the outlier than the norm. Ben Simmons anyone?