Who is the gold standard of college basketball?

[IUfanBorden]

Titles were easier to win in the 40s and Kentucky was better than KU during that period. Both can be true, you know.

Also..............Back then, only conference champs were invited to the NCAAT-----Uk playing in the SEC had very little competition. Not to mention, NCAAT wasn't the glory show it is today----Lot of teams opted not to play in it, choosing the NIT instead.

 

[ExitFlagger]

I think you should bring up the fact that Duke has thus dodged playing Tennessee and has effectively refused to be tested. KU and UK both at least showed up. Y'all have that going for you.

Tennessee ain't bad, but I'm thinking the true barometer is Colorado. It must have taken a generational powerhouse to dog walk Barnes in his own backyard. 😁

 

[della]

Tennessee ain't bad, but I'm thinking the true barometer is Colorado. It must have taken a generational powerhouse to dog walk Barnes in his own backyard. 😁

You come at me with Colorado when I was defending you against Duke? I was speaking to yours and UK's brave heart and the lack of such from Duke.

Tennessee is not a Blue blood, Tennessee is a blue blood slayer. 😁

 

[della]

I don't really think the top two is very debatable. It's UK and then UNC. KU being next is locked in for me but I get we can argue that if you want. Duke being next would be mine but such a heavy reliance on one coach is a big deal.

I would agree completely that KU and Self are best positioned going forward though.

Who knows why a Tennessee fan is even in this thread?

Since as fans none of us has made a bucket, taken a charge or had a double double. We all just watch the games and have opinions and yap. Do you think the light blue t-shirt you bought imparts some kinda of special knowledge or privilege to you?

 

[coryfly]

Since as fans none of us has made a bucket, taken a charge or had a double double. We all just watch the games and have opinions and yap. Do you think the light blue t-shirt you bought imparts some kinda of special knowledge or privilege to you?

So who do you think is the gold standard of college basketball?

 

[Afamu]

Lucky for winning games. Solid take.

Duke and KU have the same number of titles in that period, but Duke's had far more recruiting success and a lot more underachievement. Also, KU's best opportunity in a long time was stripped by Covid. Easily could have been #3. That team was much better than the team that just won it.

But puff out your chest for getting to the elite 8 with Zion, Barrett and five other NBA players. And the year before with Bagley, Allen and six more NBA players.

Funny how you downplay the KU talent while acting like Billy is having all this success with walk ons and two stars.

Plus all you haters also just talk a shit about how over rated Dukes players are. But then they lose and somehow they are 6 stars who underachieved.

And as I have said many many times, rankings mean nothing, except to people who lose recruiting rankings.

So which is it. Good, bad, overrated?

 

[Afamu]

Giving Self no credit for turning nobodies into NPOY material, but crediting Duke for top recruits that become good NBA players. Can't make this stuff up. 🤣

And yes, Duke (Nike) gets a lot more talent. Hence the underachievement. Y'know, doing less with more?

Did you think JJ would be a good pro? I sure didn’t. How about Battier. I didn’t.

Did you think Mark Williams would be a lottery after his freshman season. I sure didn’t.

I love as I have said, you over rate Duke
when they lose and under rate them when they win.

Typical asshole hater

You are actually too stupid to have a discussion with because you are blinded by hate.

 

[Afamu]

Lucky for winning games. Solid take.

Duke and KU have the same number of titles in that period, but Duke's had far more recruiting success and a lot more underachievement. Also, KU's best opportunity in a long time was stripped by Covid. Easily could have been #3. That team was much better than the team that just won it.

But puff out your chest for getting to the elite 8 with Zion, Barrett and five other NBA players. And the year before with Bagley, Allen and six more NBA players.

Can you name the 12 Nba guys on Dukes roster any year?

 

[Afamu]

if you are talking cheating.. well Kwho is the gold standard then!

Plus, the Big 8/12 is not a real basketball conference.

Shows by all of their failures in the Big Dance

 

[coryfly]

 

[ExitFlagger]

Since as fans none of us has made a bucket, taken a charge or had a double double. We all just watch the games and have opinions and yap. Do you think the light blue t-shirt you bought imparts some kinda of special knowledge or privilege to you?

Look…Bill lives right down the street from me. That practically makes me a member of the team.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Funny how you downplay the KU talent while acting like Billy is having all this success with walk ons and two stars.

Plus all you haters also just talk a shit about how over rated Dukes players are. But then they lose and somehow they are 6 stars who underachieved.

And as I have said many many times, rankings mean nothing, except to people who lose recruiting rankings.

So which is it. Good, bad, overrated?

I don’t remember ever saying a Duke player was overrated, but good point, chief.

Yeah, a top 10ish ranking usually means something. Zion didn’t get his ranking by someone pulling a name from a hat.

But you’re probably right. It’s just pure coincidence that Duke’s highest-rated players also happen to be the ones who go to the NBA.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Did you think JJ would be a good pro? I sure didn’t. How about Battier. I didn’t.

Did you think Mark Williams would be a lottery after his freshman season. I sure didn’t.

I love as I have said, you over rate Duke
when they lose and under rate them when they win.

Typical asshole hater

You are actually too stupid to have a discussion with because you are blinded by hate.

You’ve actually got that backwards. Homers like you hype your team til the minute they lose,
when suddenly the narrative flips to “K’s a wizard for dragging these bums to the Sweet 16.”

I don’t hate Duke, lil guy. You’re easier to rile up than a woman.

Speaking of stupid, why are you talking about pro careers? Even if it had anything to do with this, it doesn’t exactly help your argument. 🤣

 

[ExitFlagger]

Plus, the Big 8/12 is not a real basketball conference.

Shows by all of their failures in the Big Dance

Yeah. So much failure lately. An OT away from 3 straight titles with three different teams.

Hot take!

 

[bignish]

You’ve actually got that backwards. Homers like you hype your team til the minute they lose,
when suddenly the narrative flips to “K’s a wizard for dragging these bums to the Sweet 16.”

I don’t hate Duke, lil guy. You’re easier to rile up than a woman.

Speaking of stupid, why are you talking about pro careers? Even if it had anything to do with this, it doesn’t exactly help your argument. 🤣

K's worst period of coaching was from 2005-2009 when Duke underachieved in the tournament with experienced guys like Shelden, JJ, Nelson, Henderson, etc.

All his teams with multiple OADs besides the 2017 squad with Tatum and an injured Giles made at least the Elite 8 which is really impressive.

2015: Natty
2017: 2nd Round but lost to a hot South Carolina team in Greenville, SC
2018: Elite 8, bad Allen bounce away from the FF
2019: Elite 8
2022: Final Four, lost to a bitter rival at the very end

At least we didn't lose to USC, Auburn, Michigan, Northern Iowa, Bradley, Bucknell and Stanford before the Sweet 16 this past century.

 

[Afamu]

You’ve actually got that backwards. Homers like you hype your team til the minute they lose,
when suddenly the narrative flips to “K’s a wizard for dragging these bums to the Sweet 16.”

I don’t hate Duke, lil guy. You’re easier to rile up than a woman.

Speaking of stupid, why are you talking about pro careers? Even if it had anything to do with this, it doesn’t exactly help your argument. 🤣

As are you lil woman. You were the one who got their panties in a bunch when I made a comment.

It is truly funny tge energy you and the other pillow biter (AWill) spend on telling me how angry I am. Took an edible 1.5 hours ago, so having a great evening watching the Canes.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Matt Jones ls KSR radio said Kentucky was supposed to be

But look

Kansas is #1 in all time wins

#1 in all time conference championships

#1 all time in conference tournament championships

32 straight NCAA tournaments. Had Larry brown not broken an ncaa bylaw Kansas would have made the 89 tourney and would have had 38 straight ncaa tournaments. That will never be broken

Kansas has titles in 5 different decades.

IMO Kansas basketball is the gold standard.

Who in your opinion is the gold standard?

History TBH is meaningless. Its good message board, bar stool talk. But at the end of the day, only now really matters. And until THIS year is over, right now the Gold Standard is Kansas. If ya'll repeat----ya get the "Gold Standard Sticker" for another year.

 

[IUfanBorden]

To add......A lot of schools, TBH.----I mean shit, wanna get real? ****ing UConn has won 4 National titles since 1999. Who beats that? Easy.....


No one.

Villanova has won 2 titles the past 6 seasons.....

UNC is a choke job and a buzzer beating three(maybe, would have went to OT) away from having 3 titles since 2016...

Since 2010, only three schools have two titles: UConn, Nova and Duke...

At the end of the day-------











UCONN---1999, 2004, 2011 and 2014.

Impressive----and dudes could add #5. That would be 5 titles in 25 years...

 

[KENTUCKY_FLYER]

Since Tennessee beat the hell out of each and everyone of the teams you mentioned I'd say no to that.
Y'all are all like a bunch of would be Arthurs trying to pull Excalibur out of the stone. You have all failed the test.

This is just delusional. Tenn is like a 1972 Pinto compared to a the real blue blueblood's which are 2022 Corvettes. Just because y'all luck up and win a game against the perennial powerhouses once in a few decades don't make y'all more than you are. UK is sucking at the moment, but we only suck for a moment then were right back on top. UT has sucked eternally and will suck eternally.

 

[IUfanBorden]

This is just delusional. Tenn is like a 1972 Pinto compared to a the real blue blueblood's which are 2022 Corvettes. Just because y'all luck up and win a game against the perennial powerhouses once in a few decades don't make y'all more than you are. UK is sucking at the moment, but we only suck for a moment then were right back on top. UT has sucked eternally and will suck eternally.

Except for now, right? I men they are what----#8 nationally? And last year, they did sweep UK---right? --WOn the SECT.....

So I guess that would exclude the "eternal" thingy?


And save your breath---I know----IU sucks, 1987, blah, blah and blah.....

 

[della]

So who do you think is the gold standard of college basketball?

I don't think there is one team that qualifies as the gold standard for all time.

 

[della]

Look…Bill lives right down the street from me. That practically makes me a member of the team.

Who is Bill?

 

[della]

This is just delusional. Tenn is like a 1972 Pinto compared to a the real blue blueblood's which are 2022 Corvettes. Just because y'all luck up and win a game against the perennial powerhouses once in a few decades don't make y'all more than you are. UK is sucking at the moment, but we only suck for a moment then were right back on top. UT has sucked eternally and will suck eternally.

Actually, it is factual or in your case an inconvenient truth. The last time Tennessee played UNC, Kansas and UK UT won.

The only thing delusional is y'all's inability to recognize the new reality of in the last 10 years UT has beaten UK more than they have lost to them. We both see that expanding to a wider gap this year. So, we beat UK more than once in a few decades and you have sucked for longer than a minute, a lot longer.

Your comments are the kinda high horse that is fun knocking you off of.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Who is Bill?

Can’t think of any Bills associated with KU basketball? 😆

 

[IUfanBorden]

Can’t think of any Bills associated with KU basketball? 😆

Hey.....Maybe Della knows him by, "Eugene".... 😁

 

[cdbearde]

Can’t think of any Bills associated with KU basketball? 😆

You are thinking of your Self.

 

[IUfanBorden]

You are thinking of your Self.

How have you been brother? We haven't talked in a good minute. Saw you mentioned some health issues? Hope all is well.

 

[ExitFlagger]

As are you lil woman. You were the one who got their panties in a bunch when I made a comment.

It is truly funny tge energy you and the other pillow biter (AWill) spend on telling me how angry I am. Took an edible 1.5 hours ago, so having a great evening watching the Canes.

Well, angry for sure. But delusional too.

 

[della]

Can’t think of any Bills associated with KU basketball? 😆

I thought you were talking about the Duke fan. Bill Self, I really like him as a coach.

 

[imajericho]

He said Gold Standard in college basketball now.

UK and Duke are now nba prep schools that sellout their roster year over year. They can't be college basketball gold standards.

Kansas is literally paying players. So it can't be them.

It just leaves UNC, which is fitting because of the Carolina Way.

Now I told you to end this topic in post 2. We didn't need a topic full of people trolling nonsense after that.

 

[della]

He said Gold Standard in college basketball now.

UK and Duke are now nba prep schools that sellout their roster year over year. They can't be college basketball gold standards.

Kansas is literally paying players. So it can't be them.

It just leaves UNC, which is fitting because of the Carolina Way.

Now I told you to end this topic in post 2. We didn't need a topic full of people trolling nonsense after that.

Didn't y'all have a scandal of your players not going to class or something?

 

[cdbearde]

How have you been brother? We haven't talked in a good minute. Saw you mentioned some health issues? Hope all is well.

Thanks for asking, we have COVID and it is sticking around, I guess we found something that likes us. First time we ever had it.

 

[ExitFlagger]

He said Gold Standard in college basketball now.

UK and Duke are now nba prep schools that sellout their roster year over year. They can't be college basketball gold standards.

Kansas is literally paying players. So it can't be them.

It just leaves UNC, which is fitting because of the Carolina Way.

Now I told you to end this topic in post 2. We didn't need a topic full of people trolling nonsense after that.

Are you the UNC version of afamu?

 

[della]

Thanks for asking, we have COVID and it is sticking around, I guess we found something that likes us. First time we ever had it.

Well, take care of yourself. That can be dangerous.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Thanks for asking, we have COVID and it is sticking around, I guess we found something that likes us. First time we ever had it.

That sucks....I hope shit gets better. One of my officiating partners tested positive for COVID---but I did not, nor did my other partner.

Get to feeling better....

 

[imajericho]

Didn't y'all have a scandal of your players not going to class or something?

Yeah, it was unfounded.

 

[ExitFlagger]

K's worst period of coaching was from 2005-2009 when Duke underachieved in the tournament with experienced guys like Shelden, JJ, Nelson, Henderson, etc.

All his teams with multiple OADs besides the 2017 squad with Tatum and an injured Giles made at least the Elite 8 which is really impressive.

2015: Natty
2017: 2nd Round but lost to a hot South Carolina team in Greenville, SC
2018: Elite 8, bad Allen bounce away from the FF
2019: Elite 8
2022: Final Four, lost to a bitter rival at the very end

At least we didn't lose to USC, Auburn, Michigan, Northern Iowa, Bradley, Bucknell and Stanford before the Sweet 16 this past century.

I think Self’s won three more tourney games during his time at KU. With about half as many first rounders. It’s quite an advantage to have your pick of the litter. Self hasn’t been able to build his ideal roster in well over a decade. He misses constantly while Duke rarely does. If one of the two has been an underachiever, it’s pretty clear who it is.

Btw, Duke failed to reach the Sweet 16 six times in that span, partner. Including losses to 15 seed Lehigh and 14 seed Mercer.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Didn't y'all have a scandal of your players not going to class or something?

Afamu will fill you in.

 

[coryfly]

Unfortunately for Tennessee and Barnes, the NCAAT is still a thing that exist and matters. If it wasn't for that they would they would be up there in terms of teams to be concerned with.

 

[mikeinknoxville]

Every year speaks for itself. The "Gold Standard" might include schools like UNC and Kansas for history's sake, the truth of that is none of that matters to what is happening now. There are teams out there that can take these bluebloods to the woodshed on any given night.