Even if they have to walk eight miles, that doesn’t take too long. I’m sure if they can better themselves and their family by working some place eight miles away, they’d be willing to walk each way, right? Yeah right......
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I'm sorry, just from looking Louisville is not a very huge city. People do much worse commutes for work in DFW and other major cities. You're coming off as if you think these people in this neighborhood are helpless.Old louisville is also considered a part of downtown, hill street starts from floyd and goes all the way past park hill, and park duvall onto the california neighborhood and victory park. That's a hell of a lot further than 4.9 miles. So your google maps start and go coordinates are somewhat laughable.
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It's more spread out than you think. You're just cherry picking arbitrary streets and areas via google maps and claiming it to be short distance. It's not.
Regardless, point is, it’s not impossible to get out of a bad situation. It’s just hard work and being willing to do whatever you can to get out. Instead of that, you just assume they give up and let someone else pay for them to get out. Sorry I’m not sorry I wont give more of my hard earned dollars to help those that won’t help themselves.
Well back to my original point, there are odd jobs everywhere and even if somebody has to walk 8 miles for it that’s part of the struggle that goes into doing whatever it takes to improve your situation.
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2 hours each way, even in extreme conditions where it gets over a 100 in the summer, and in the winter gets below 20. Yeah. You guys are funny.
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He wouldn't.
Only the lazy want socialism, i.e. where someone else would support their worthless asses.
I’ve done jobs I didn’t really want to for money, yes.
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I don't know where you live but i am not taxed excessively. In fact more of my life my taxes were higher than they are now.
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You've lived in 2 room house with parents working 2-3 jobs minimum,on top of not having a means of transportation of your own or from the city, and had to walk 6-8 miles to and from work, no matter what time of the day it was?
Sounds like Milwaukee’s north side but there were a lot of businesses there until crime drove them out.
I would if I were in poverty. If I lived in a crime/drug riddled area, I would do anything and everything to get my family out and into a better situation.
Haven't done exactly that but you make it sound like that is an impossible task. If I was in a situation like that and were desperate then I would like to think that I would do it in a heartbeat. I mean, you can read stories all the time in the paper about people from disadvantaged backgrounds doing whatever it takes to make ends meet so it's not like what you're saying is something that isn't attainable.
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There was going to be a Wal Mart put in on 18th street, but the city declined it due to some zoning issue. It would have supplied lot of jobs to many in the West End. However, the city of Louisville doesn't care about anything past 9th Street (Roy Wilkins pkwy)
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Well, I would likely want to get out or better myself. Being that said, just have to study hard in school, go to college and then the problem is solved. And before you claim college is impossible, going the army/military route makes it possible.
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The point i'm making is, why should it have to be that difficult? When other parts of town don't have to face the same adversity. People who don't understand the logistics of it keep blaming the people and families for being lazy. A 5 year old kid in the West End or even younger will never have the same opportunities as those born in the East End. I guess you guys can keep bludgeoning the lazy myth over and over to me, but it's simply not true.
Socialism isn't going to stop people from being born with a silver spoon.
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You can buy a decent used bike for one days work on minimum wage. You can by a beater with a heater car for two weeks work minimum wage.
Like schooner said, it takes some effort but it’s not impossible.
If you’re ever in Milwaukee I’ll take you through the north side and we can look at all the businesses that were ran out of the area.
Nobody is arguing that it won’t be harder for someone born into that situation than someone born into a wealthy family. Not one person. You said it was impossible to get out of a situation like you mentioned. It’s not. It just takes more hard work than most are willing to do. BUT, if they work hard (and smart) enough, they can get themselves and their families out of that bad situation.
And I feel bad for the kids born into those situations. Their parents likely made bad decisions that landed them in those areas or didn’t do much to get themselves out. So again, not impossible. Just have to work for it.
Well, I've never said that people born into disadvantaged situations are lazy. All I've made a point of is there is work available just about everywhere if you really do whatever it takes to find it. It's not gonna be easy though. And I don't think socialism is going to solve anybody's situation. Just about every economist is in agreeance that socialism will do more harm than good to a society and then there's also the whole kill all people who disagree with it thing that's been a regular occurrence the past 100 years. I noticed somebody mention the Scandanavian countries as an argument to the good it's done. You have to compare where they are now vs. where they were before they put socialism into effect. Are they better off for it? Isn't Sweden taking away a lot of the Socialist laws on taxes because it's really hurt the growth of their economy?
I didn’t have the same opportunities growing as TheDude or probably even you. Are either of you to blame for that? I’ll give you my Venmo if you feel like restitution is deserved on my end.
My parents told me to get a job. Started by mowing lawns.
I didn’t have money to afford a mower so I worked out a deal with the guy who owned the first property I mowed for. As long as I continued to mow for him, I could use the mower anywhere and keep it at the end of the summer.
My step dad was pretty stingy with ours so I always had to ask if I could use the homeowners mower first. I lived out in the country and have cleaned stable, pens, mowed, sprayed.....and I bet I got 1/10 of the Mcdonalds pay rate. Thought i was rich. There wasn't anything I wouldn't have done for work.
I wish I had started this thread lol. Actually for the past 1-1/2 I've been contemplating writing a novel about a fictitious socialist country that does work. I just committed to it earlier this week.
With that said, reading posts in this thread gave me a lot to contemplate with current problems facing bad sections of towns and their culture. There's no single pill for this. When you're born into a culture, its difficult to shake it. Some literally can't. Example, whatever religion you're born into, more than likely that will be your religion along with its values for life.
Its going to take more than personal responsibility to change it to a more positive culture. Without socialistic changes and values, its not going to change. Leadership must be developed in the communities, passed onto the families, Civic Leadership at the city and state levels that can create jobs and educational opportunities. I'm not suggesting these are the only things that need to be addressed, but for me they would be a start.
These communities don't have a champion to get the ball rolling. Everyone is just sitting back and doing little to nothing about it. Basically a catch 22 situation.
With that said, reading posts in this thread gave me a lot to contemplate with current problems facing bad sections of towns and their culture. There's no single pill for this. When you're born into a culture, its difficult to shake it. Some literally can't. Example, whatever religion you're born into, more than likely that will be your religion along with its values for life.
Its going to take more than personal responsibility to change it to a more positive culture. Without socialistic changes and values, its not going to change. Leadership must be developed in the communities, passed onto the families, Civic Leadership at the city and state levels that can create jobs and educational opportunities. I'm not suggesting these are the only things that need to be addressed, but for me they would be a start.
These communities don't have a champion to get the ball rolling. Everyone is just sitting back and doing little to nothing about it. Basically a catch 22 situation.
No idea on the solution but city size isn’t really relevant to the problem there. I have friends and family who have taught in the schools in the west end of Louisville and the stories would blow your mind. Biggest issue is drugs, really. A lot of those kids will never have a shot, either due to being drug babies or being surrounded by that culture.
It’s one thing for an adult to get out... it’s entirely different when you’re 8 years old, dad is in jail, mom is a crack addict and her junky boyfriend is abusing you. That kid, even if capable, is going to struggle learning and most likely repeat the cycle.
That’s not even an unusual story in many public schools here.
Yeah, just do "whatever." I'm sure that'll work, sight unseen, w/o any actual knowledge of their lives, and if they still can't, it must retroactively be their own fault they are there b/c it would miraculously work out for them if they were respectable human beings b/c life is fair like that.
You can only think that way by denying systemic racism exists and refusing to listen with empathy.
So it's hard work... and for those who start off at a disadvantage it's more hard work -- possibly harder work than you've ever thought about doing -- but they're disqualified from any compassion from you b/c they didn't "help themselves" out of that situation?
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