Socialism doesn't work...

[schoonerwest]

No idea on the solution but city size isn’t really relevant to the problem there. I have friends and family who have taught in the schools in the west end of Louisville and the stories would blow your mind. Biggest issue is drugs, really. A lot of those kids will never have a shot, either due to being drug babies or being surrounded by that culture.

It’s one thing for an adult to get out... it’s entirely different when your 8 years old, dad is in jail, mom is a crack addict and her junky boyfriend is abusing you. That kid, even if capable, is going to struggle learning and most likely repeat the cycle.

That’s not even an unusual story in many public schools here.

I understand all of that. And I’m also not sure of a solution to fix entire neighborhoods that have problems like that. That being said, those people that do live there and want to find work can absolutely find it if they try really hard. There are thousands of odd paying cash jobs every day in major cities. If they have to walk a couple of hours to do it then that’s what they have to do but there are opportunities.

 

[treyforuk]

Enough to support myself and not whine about it on the internet to strangers. Wonder who i'm talking about...

So, you can't support the needy, homeless, illegals?

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

My step dad was pretty stingy with ours so I always had to ask if I could use the homeowners mower first. I lived out in the country and have cleaned stable, pens, mowed, sprayed.....and I bet I got 1/10 of the Mcdonalds pay rate. Thought i was rich. There wasn't anything I wouldn't have done for work.

Impossible. You’re only making a physician salary now because of privilege.

 

[Dattier]

Impossible. You’re only making a physician salary now because of privilege.

Wrong.

 

[SNU0821]

So it's hard work... and for those who start off at a disadvantage it's more hard work -- possibly harder work than you've ever thought about doing -- but they're disqualified from any compassion from you b/c they didn't "help themselves" out of that situation?

Only disqualified if they refuse to try and get themselves out and take the mindset that it’s impossible.

 

[treyforuk]

There was going to be a Wal Mart put in on 18th street, but the city declined it due to some zoning issue. It would have supplied lot of jobs to many in the West End. However, the city of Louisville doesn't care about anything past 9th Street (Roy Wilkins pkwy)

Nice place..

 

[Dattier]

Only disqualified if they refuse to try and get themselves out and take the mindset that it’s impossible.

Would that include working as hard as possible but claiming there are other factors that need to be addressed?

 

[SNU0821]

Would that include working as hard as possible but claiming there are other factors that need to be addressed?

No. Working smart needs to be included with working hard.

 

[treyforuk]

I didn’t have the same opportunities growing as TheDude or probably even you. Are either of you to blame for that? I’ll give you my Venmo if you feel like restitution is deserved on my end.

Be careful. It will sound like you are bitching.

 

[Dattier]

No. Working smart needs to be included with working hard.

Okay, that, too. What then?

Would that include working as hard and smart as possible but claiming there are other factors that need to be addressed?

 

[toonces11]

I wish I had started this thread lol. Actually for the past 1-1/2 I've been contemplating writing a novel about a fictitious socialist country that does work. I just committed to it earlier this week.

With that said, reading posts in this thread gave me a lot to contemplate with current problems facing bad sections of towns and their culture. There's no single pill for this. When you're born into a culture, its difficult to shake it. Some literally can't. Example, whatever religion you're born into, more than likely that will be your religion along with its values for life.

Its going to take more than personal responsibility to change it to a more positive culture. Without socialistic changes and values, its not going to change. Leadership must be developed in the communities, passed onto the families, Civic Leadership at the city and state levels that can create jobs and educational opportunities. I'm not suggesting these are the only things that need to be addressed, but for me they would be a start.

These communities don't have a champion to get the ball rolling. Everyone is just sitting back and doing little to nothing about it. Basically a catch 22 situation.

Can you imagine a white guy like me going into these areas and telling them they need to change your culture to be more successful. How would one do that and get a single soul to listen....also, without getting stabbed.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Anyway, for anyone who thinks the poor billionaires pay more than their fair share...came across this fact on FB:

1 million seconds = 11 days.

1 billion seconds = 31.5 years.

 

[toonces11]

With whose lawn mower?

I covered that above. My step dad was pretty stingy with ours...and gas. So I tried to find older folks who would rather pay me to do it with theirs.

 

[toonces11]

Anyway, for anyone who thinks the poor billionaires pay more than their fair share...came across this fact on FB:

1 million seconds = 11 days.

1 billion seconds = 31.5 years.

so a billion is a billions worth of millions?

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Anyway, for anyone who thinks the poor billionaires pay more than their fair share...came across this fact on FB:

1 million seconds = 11 days.

1 billion seconds = 31.5 years.

Cool

 

[anon_0astpxev9h4gk]

You guys missed my point entirely. Keep inserting quips and liking eachothers posts though, it's really enlightening. @bkingUK is the only person who's made any bit of sense thus far itt, but what do we know, being from Louisville and all..

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

The average testicle is about 3.5cm-4cm.


Since we are dropping random facts ITT.

 

[anon_0astpxev9h4gk]

Be careful. It will sound like you are bitching.

You're such a crybaby, it's hilarious.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

You guys missed my point entirely. Keep inserting quips and liking eachothers posts though, it's really enlightening. @bkingUK is the only person who's made any bit of sense thus far itt, but what do we know, being from Louisville and all..

Schoonerwest made the most sense ITT.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

The average testicle is about 3.5cm-4cm.


Since we are dropping random facts ITT.

LetsGoDuke is an outlier, coming in at 5 feet 11 inches.

 

[anon_0astpxev9h4gk]

I understand all of that. And I’m also not sure of a solution to fix entire neighborhoods that have problems like that. That being said, those people that do live there and want to find work can absolutely find it if they try really hard. There are thousands of odd paying cash jobs every day in major cities. If they have to walk a couple of hours to do it then that’s what they have to do but there are opportunities.

You keep talking about these off beat odd jobs....not every city is the same, and I know I keep bringing up Louisville, because that's where I grew up and its my frame of reference, but you don't really know what you're talking about in regards to the W end of Louisville.

 

[anon_0astpxev9h4gk]

Schoonerwest made the most sense ITT.

To the typical naysayers, yeah sure.

 

[toonces11]

You keep talking about these off beat odd jobs....not every city is the same, and I know I keep bringing up Louisville, because that's where I grew up and its my frame of reference, but you don't really know what you're talking about in regards to the W end of Louisville.

Sounds like a good ****ing reason to go be poor somewhere else.

 

[schoonerwest]

You keep talking about these off beat odd jobs....not every city is the same, and I know I keep bringing up Louisville, because that's where I grew up and its my frame of reference, but you don't really know what you're talking about in regards to the W end of Louisville.

Is there a border wall around this place or something? Our whole discussion began because you said enough that leads us to believe that you think that it’s impossible to leave that part of Louisville if you were born and raised there. You actually literally said yes when I asked you that question. I’m just saying it’s not.

 

[SNU0821]

Sounds like a good ****ing reason to go be poor somewhere else.

But if you believe him, there isn’t any way out other than people giving you a handout. It’s like a black hole. No escaping.

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

Can you imagine a white guy like me going into these areas and telling them they need to change your culture to be more successful. How would one do that and get a single soul to listen....also, without getting stabbed.

That's where civics come in. 1st start a collaboration with community representatives. Let the reps handle it until trust is built up.

 

[toonces11]

That's where civics come in. 1st start a collaboration with community representatives. Let the reps handle it until trust is built up.

Im obviously not the man for the job, but I try to affect the circle around me in a positive way. My priorities will always be my family, my friends, and my business. I will try to do everything to give my kids a leg up. Being a good dad and husband, spending time with them, educating them any chance you can get, teaching him sports, teaching him to be good person, making sure he travels and see the world. Ill help those I can.....but they are a blip on the radar if I don't have my own house in order. Might sound selfish----I think it sounds like the single most important thing you can do.

 

[ExitFlagger]

The average testicle is about 3.5cm-4cm.


Since we are dropping random facts ITT.

Random? Billionaires and the top 1% were the focus of this thread for awhile, no?

 

[anon_0astpxev9h4gk]

Is there a border wall around this place or something? Our whole discussion began because you said enough that leads us to believe that you think that it’s impossible to leave that part of Louisville if you were born and raised there. You actually literally said yes when I asked you that question. I’m just saying it’s not.

There's a pretty big border between 9th street to the rest of the city, so yeah, I still believe it's pretty impossible to get out of the west end,if you were born and raised there.

 

[anon_0astpxev9h4gk]

Just some elbow grease, and some extra hard work, and you'll be out of shawnee in no time, especially with the abundance of storefronts and businesses that line the West End. You guys google mapped it though, so you understand.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Random? Billionaires and the top 1% were the focus of this thread for awhile, no?

A billion is a lot more than a million. Water is wet. Testicles are 3.5cm to 4.0cm on average.

 

[ExitFlagger]

A billion is a lot more than a million. Water is wet. Testicles are 3.5cm to 4.0cm on average.

Good job. Now pull up wiktionary and search for the word random.

Sometimes an example like that is necessary to drive the point home that there's no reason whatsoever that we shouldn't be taxing the holy hell out of Bill Gates's 89 bil.

 

[treyforuk]

You're such a crybaby, it's hilarious.

Boohoo

 

[treyforuk]

There's a pretty big border between 9th street to the rest of the city, so yeah, I still believe it's pretty impossible to get out of the west end,if you were born and raised there.

So, is there a code word, secret hand shake?

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Good job. Now pull up wiktionary and search for the word random.

Sometimes an example like that is necessary to drive the point home that there's no reason whatsoever that we shouldn't be taxing the holy hell out of Bill Gates's 89 bil.

If it took that Facebook post for you to realize a billion is a lot more than a million then I question your intelligence.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

 

[anon_0astpxev9h4gk]

Boohoo

That’s what you do. At least your kind of self-aware..

 

[ExitFlagger]

If it took that Facebook post for you to realize a billion is a lot more than a million then I question your intelligence.

How random!

 

[treyforuk]

That’s what you do. At least your kind of self-aware..

Too bad you’re not aware you’re a smart azz.

 

[anon_0astpxev9h4gk]

Too bad you’re not aware you’re a smart azz.

Oh, I am.