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Socialism doesn't work...
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anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Whatever you’d wish to believe. You’re certainly a believer of “many” things. SmokinSmile
Sounds like an excuse. You just have to find a way to do it. Yeah, maybe you'd have to try harder, but hey, life's not fair and it never will be.
So walking a couple hours to do it... is that one way, or round-trip? How, exactly, are you defining "opportunity"? Is it synonymous with "possible," or is there a more reasonable standard?
It would be tough helping a group of people that either refuse or don’t have the ability to help themselves.
Sounds like an excuse. You just have to find a way to do it. Yeah, maybe you'd have to try harder, but hey, life's not fair and it never will be.
Um... yeah, I was actually mocking you when I said that.
Lol. Just throwing right back on ya. Nobody is saying it’s ideal. Nobody is saying it’s even scratching the surface of easy. There is a path....and it’s the one they’ve been dealt by their parents. Sucks to have irresponsible parents. It isn’t fair. Kids should have both parents who made good decisions. They deserve parents that live within their means. They deserve to live in a home with heat. They deserve to eat.
I don’t think there is any sound way to fix it....except starting with the new generation. They need to stay in school. They need to hammer irresponsible sex. They need to hammer drugs. They can’t grow up in a culture where these things are glorified.
Important. But the thing the glorified left fails to mention is that successful folks don't do the things highlighted in bold. Joe Bloe the corner drug dealer in some downtown shit hole, who dropped out of school, deals drugs, has 10 illegitimate kids who he refused to claim or support, and thinks that he is cool is not there because of white privilege.
Yet according to Dattier it is white privilege that makes Joe Bloe what he is. That is pure and total nonsense. I have or had nothing to do with the stupid son of a bitch totally screwing up his life and making it worthless or a large detriment to society. Joe Bloe probably did not have a daddy and that is on the worthless piece of shit that abandoned him, not on the rest of society. Throughout human history there have been a certain percentage of humans that basically are criminals or ne’re do wells. We have to face the facts and if they don’t fit into society we have to separate them from society.
Everyone gets to be responsible for their own lives. If you are born into a bad situation it makes it harder; however, someone 500 miles away from you is not to blame for your bad situation. The people to blame is your screwed-up family.
My question is where does it stop with blame. You can waterfall blame down the line and always find something/someway/somehow that could have triggered the plight. That never leads to a solution. Some people want to make it a racial situation, but it happens in all communities. Its a food chain--and food chains always have a top and a bottom for it to work. You can help some off the bottom, but not all.
I just don't see the rationale in the arrow of blame landing on privilege and people that have more or less done the right thing for their family for generations. I'm a big believer in attacking issues at a local level. You start within your own circle---and once you have that completely in order you can widen it. The minute you start neglecting your circle you run into problems. If more people just took care of their own problems their would be more help to go around. Not everyone is deserving of someones elses help. The left seems to think they get to decide who is deserving of help---then blame us for its short comings---even they they put in the same or less amount of effort. My biggest pet peeve is people calling for others to help out in situations where they aren't. Hey that guy makes a ton of money---he should pay more. Hey that guy had responsible parents, he shouldn't be able to use that advantage.
Everyone has help on their own road to success. The key to obtaining that help is being worthy of it. People love to support those that help themselves. Its infectious and if done in the right way....mutually beneficial.
Bringing up Milwaukee again.....
There are a lot of businesses in north Milwaukee the provided jobs for people there. Crime drove those businesses out. The Milwaukee county bus line brings people from Milwaukee to Menomonee Falls and crime follows. Just about every car thief I've seen caught in the Falls has been from Milwaukee.
So if you're a business owner creating jobs, do you just risk it and open your business in an area that is laden with crime? If you're a town with jobs do you bus people in from an area that ran out their own businesses with crime?
Your solutions would be more realistic if people and communities took personal responsibility, but until that happens you're just putting lipstick on a pig.
A perfect example of that:
Recall the Watts riots in LA in 1965. The dumb folks there destroyed their own community; burned every store et.al. It was never rebuilt for a very simple reason: build there and the folks will burn you out. Build there and no insurance company will insure you because they know the neighbors will burn you out.
So, for decades the folks in Watts had to travel to buy the necessities of life because they burned down the business of those racist bastards; in other words, they had destroyed their own infrastructure. The riots destroyed the rioter’s own community. I sure hope that they realize that by destroying their own area that they sure taught those other folks a lesson.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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That’s the problem, they’ve tried to set up shops and even corporate chains of restaurants/grocery stores, but the plans always fall through due to some zoning issue or fabricated city ordinance.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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That was Watts during the Civil Rights era, what does that have to do with 2018 Louisville or I guess Milwaukee for that matter?
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Caucasian man speaking of what’s fair and what isn’t about impoverished African-Americans who don’t have the necessary means of basic amenities is ****ing rich.
It’s more complex than that. What you’re saying is based on the idea that the parents want to get out amd are capable of holding any job. Many are addicts or have mental problems and can’t.
And to be clear, the west End of Louisville is just being used as an example. It’s not really any different on the south side of Chicago or hills of Appalachia.
So, what do you do with the kids? Yea, easy to day “f them” if they aren’t trying. But society is going to have to pay for them one way or the other. I really don’t think most people understand how bad it is unless they have some experience with it.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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As ****ing rich as a white male born into wealth telling people who busted their ass up the employment chain how we don't give enough of our hard-earned money to others.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Born in Louisville (Beechmont/Iroquois Park neighborhood) now live in Richmond, California and have for the last 12 years.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Comparing this to Watts is asinine.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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I don't even know what Watts is. But you can at least see the similar reasoning behind why businesses like BP and O'Reilly would hesitate to rebuild in that area, right?
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anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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It just seems like a direct result of systemic racism to me. The people eventually revolt, that’s how history goes.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Nah, a cop out.
Black cop shoots black criminal.
Blacks riot and burn down businesses in their own black neighborhood.
Blame racism. Heck with personal accountability, right?
You’re not that dumb.
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It’s my fault O’Reilly Autoparts might be hesitant to open up another store in the neighborhood their store was burnt to the ground two years ago because I’m white.
Holy **** that is next level stupid.
Holy **** that is next level stupid.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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What's the point of even having this conversation? I think you're wrong, you think i'm wrong. Lets call it a wash, agree to disagree,
Hopefully they will do something about that themselves, amirite? Hopefully they don’t wait for someone else to do it for them.
This rustled my jim jams bigly. Your solution is punish the people for an incompetent governing body? Yikes.
My preference would be for the government to stop spending money like the debt and deficit don't matter.
Since neither party seems to think that's a good idea, more tax revenue has to come in. It makes more sense to get that revenue from a smaller percentage hike on multi-millionaires than a large percentage hike on people living paycheck to paycheck.
Not exactly a radical proposal. Like I said, it doesn't dissuade people from getting rich and the lifestyle impact to them is minimal or nonexistent.
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