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It’s all the same road to hell, predicated on using the state to promise everyone a certain, often unattainable/unsustainable quality of life.
According to you maybe, many other countries thrive under it. Capitalism sure looks like it's leading us to your "hell", or whatever you wanna call it.
 
If a guy believes he has a superior work ethic, superior skill set, superior intelligence.....why would he ever want to vote for socialism?
Who's to say said guy has superior intelligence? Just because his mom told him so? The thing capitalists don't understand in the realm of 2018 is the growing population has exponential numbers of well minded, intelligent beings, capable of having said skill sets and work ethic. The market is lacking due to a higher concentration of beings all trying to applicate their skills into a field of knowledge or expertise that their said skill pertains to.
 
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I am pro capitalism because it’s generally the most fair means of distribution, but being pro-capitalist doesn’t mean being anti-all government institution or collectivist program. Anyone who claims to be a pure capitalist is either an anarchist or a liar. There really isn’t an in between there.

It’s lazy thinking the way I see it to simply deem every government regulation or program as socialist encroachment. We’d be pretty ignorant to think that there isn’t a better way to implement health care, for instance.

Where I draw the line is at rules that reward mediocrity by awarding the same salary to all people regardless of performance or skill.

But at the end of the day, a competitive market with low restrictions and high diversity benefits prices, jobs and innovation. I’m all for that.
 
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If a guy believes he has a superior work ethic, superior skill set, superior intelligence.....why would he ever want to vote for socialism?

I'll bet there are some hard-working self-employed guys out there who would love a piece of France's highly-rated free healthcare. Rather than their $1000/mo ACA plan with a $6500 deductible.
 
I am pro capitalism because it’s generally the most fair means of distribution, but being pro-capitalist doesn’t mean being anti-all government institution or collectivist program. Anyone who claims to be a pure capitalist is either an anarchist or a liar. There really isn’t an in between there.

It’s lazy thinking the way I see it to simply deem every government regulation or program as socialist encroachment. We’d be pretty ignorant to think that there isn’t a better way to implement health care, for instance.

Where I draw the line is at rules that reward mediocrity by awarding the same salary to all people regardless of performance or skill.

But at the end of the day, a competitive market with low restrictions and high diversity benefits prices, jobs and innovation. I’m all for that.

This is a good post that acknowledges reality. And then there's:

It’s all the same road to hell, predicated on using the state to promise everyone a certain, often unattainable/unsustainable quality of life.

That.
 
According to you maybe, many other countries thrive under it. Capitalism sure looks like it's leading us to your "hell", or whatever you wanna call it.

I think a lot of people blame capitalism for faults of the government, particularly in regards to bad monetary policy.
 
This is a good post that acknowledges reality. And then there's:



That.

Care to tell me where I’m wrong?

There’s not a single thing BKing said that I disagree with.

Perhaps I didn’t nuance enough for your feelings?
 
Who's to say said guy has superior intelligence? Just because his mom told him so? The thing capitalists don't understand in the realm of 2018 is the growing population has exponential numbers of well minded, intelligent beings, capable of having said skill sets and work ethic. The market is lacking due to a higher concentration of beings all trying to applicate their skills into a field of knowledge or expertise that their said skill pertains to.
I would say....results.
 
Conscience?
The ability to decide where your charitable dollars go should land in the lap of the one that earned it. There are plenty deserving and plenty that aren't---I think the best person to decide that is the one who put in the work to earn the ability to give.
 
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The ability to decide where your charitable dollars go should land in the lap of the one that earned it. There are plenty deserving and plenty that aren't---I think the best person to decide that is the one who put in the work to earn the ability to give.
So basically the wealthy should be in charge of everything in your world, and they get to decide who is worthy of help.

No one "earns" the ability to give. You choose to give or not from whatever you have.
 
Who lives the best in socialist states? I'm guessing it isn't the average folk.
 
So basically the wealthy should be in charge of everything in your world, and they get to decide who is worthy of help.

No one "earns" the ability to give. You choose to give or not from whatever you have.
The key word is choice. If you can give based on your finances great. If thats not how you feel is most effective you can give by donating your skill. If thats not something that fits you can give your time and compassion. Its your choice and your choice alone. Charity isn't also money.....and nobody has a right to tell anyone else who or when they should give....imo.
 
No one has the right to dictate how other people spend their earned money.
The key word is choice. If you can give based on your finances great. If thats not how you feel is most effective you can give by donating your skill. If thats not something that fits you can give your time and compassion. Its your choice and your choice alone. Charity isn't also money.....and nobody has a right to tell anyone else who or when they should give....imo.
Without the state's protection, no one keeps anything. In exchange, you pay taxes.
 
I've never called the police or needed their protection, not have I ever needed a fireman. I'm not saying they aren't needed but I've never gotten my money worth.
do you know how much it costs to build roads or schools? You get more than your money's worth some places. Less in others.
 
Any other links besides what looks like a propaganda news site?

Also, you likely haven't needed police or fire assistance because they are there. Police and fire services have been improving safety since their existence. Theres a reason why the majority of people aren't living like a western movie and fires constantly burning down entire blocks. It's due to the police and fire prevention and education.
Uhh... no. It's more due to building codes and technological developments, like I dunno... not having an open flame being your exclusive source of light/heat.
 
Without the state's protection, no one keeps anything. In exchange, you pay taxes.
And I’m a tax payer. The balance is about right. Adding more and more socialist principles will alter America in a negative fashion. It’s rare these socialist programs we have run anywhere near what would be considered efficient.
 
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The ability to decide where your charitable dollars go should land in the lap of the one that earned it. There are plenty deserving and plenty that aren't---I think the best person to decide that is the one who put in the work to earn the ability to give.

Half the elites in America didn't earn it. And when 90% of the nation's wealth is hoarded by 1%, it's time to take matters out of their hands.

They should be taxed exorbitantly and those earning 50k or less shouldn't pay a dime. But of course they'll never allow this to happen.
 
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Half the elites in America didn't earn it. And when 90% of the nation's wealth is horded by 1%, it's time to take matters out of their hands.

They should be taxed exorbitantly and those earning 50k or less shouldn't pay a dime. But of course they'll never allow this to happen.
Disagree. Someone in their family earned it and they deserve to pass down the fruits of their work to whomever they choose. It’s not anybody else’s except Who they deemed worthy of their life’s work. It not yours. It’s not mine. We have no right to force them to pay taxes we wouldn’t pay ourselves.
 
Uhh... no. It's more due to building codes and technological developments, like I dunno... not having an open flame being your exclusive source of light/heat.

I think you underestimate the fire services influence on building codes. The fire service isn't just the guys you see in the big trucks.

Fire Marshall for example.
 
I feel like the main theme around socialists and dem socialists is asking other people to do what you’re unwilling to do yourself.
 
Disagree. Someone in their family earned it and they deserve to pass down the fruits of their work to whomever they choose. It’s not anybody else’s except Who they deemed worthy of their life’s work. It not yours. It’s not mine. We have no right to force them to pay taxes we wouldn’t pay ourselves.

The 1% homies didn't work for most of their money. They worked hard for about 1% of their net worth, really really hard in most cases, and let their money work for the remaining 99%. Or an ancestor worked really hard for their 1%, or whatever. That's a distinction I like to make. The richest people in the world made most of their money sitting on their asses getting their dicks sucked. Not that there is anything wrong with that; I hope to get to that point someday. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't bear more of the burden to support the country.

Say we increased the top tax bracket by 5%. That would generate a butt ton of tax revenue without impacting the lives of rich people one single bit. It doesn't disincentive getting rich, so what's the downside? An equal jump in tax revenue would require an insane tax rate increase for low and middle class earners.

So, if the government can't get its spending under control, why not raise taxes on the people who it impacts the least?
 
Disagree. Someone in their family earned it and they deserve to pass down the fruits of their work to whomever they choose. It’s not anybody else’s except Who they deemed worthy of their life’s work. It not yours. It’s not mine. We have no right to force them to pay taxes we wouldn’t pay ourselves.

Wouldn't pay ourselves? I couldn't live with myself amassing billions while people are starving to death every day.

And what about inflation and the ever-devalued dollar? Who feels that more...the blue collar family with 5 kids scraping by on minimum wage or the billionaires?
 
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I think a lot of people blame capitalism for faults of the government, particularly in regards to bad monetary policy.
Not necessarily, if you’ve taken any political science course (400 level or above, whether it be in undergrad or graduate studies; seminars/lectures, etc..., monetary spending plays a role, sure. However, there are many facets to that argument if you’d care to listen, or like for me to explain. I’m not being condescending, so don’t take that the wrong way.
 
And I’m a tax payer. The balance is about right. Adding more and more socialist principles will alter America in a negative fashion. It’s rare these socialist programs we have run anywhere near what would be considered efficient.
It's rare that any programs run as efficiently as possible. That's not an indictment of the system so much as competency and ethics. Your capitalism-fellating considers a system where the uber-rich continue to get richer and the poor continue to get poorer successful.

Disagree. Someone in their family earned it and they deserve to pass down the fruits of their work to whomever they choose. It’s not anybody else’s except Who they deemed worthy of their life’s work. It not yours. It’s not mine. We have no right to force them to pay taxes we wouldn’t pay ourselves.
What you're endorsing amounts to an aristocracy based on money. When inherited wealth creates a caste system that's almost impossible to break, you're favoring the rights of dead people over the poor. What "personal responsibility" are the living held to in that? Wealthy heirs have a leg up that lasts their entire lives and affords a life of luxury, while the poor work harder to fall further behind and you castigate them.

We have every right to expect those who benefited most from the system to pay the lion's share of sustaining the system... unless the system is actually functioning correctly to recreate the slave class that made us in the first place.
 
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If a guy believes he has a superior work ethic, superior skill set, superior intelligence.....why would he ever want to vote for socialism?
Yea nothing about it outside of Health Care maybe , has appeal to those with those traits listed.
 
It's rare that any programs run as efficiently as possible. That's not an indictment of the system so much as competency and ethics. Your capitalism-fellating considers a system where the uber-rich continue to get richer and the poor continue to get poorer successful.


What you're endorsing amounts to an aristocracy based on money. When inherited wealth creates a caste system that's almost impossible to break, you're favoring the rights of dead people over the poor. What "personal responsibility" are the living held to in that? Wealthy heirs have a leg up that lasts their entire lives and affords a life of luxury, while the poor work harder to fall further behind and you castigate them.

We have every right to expect those who benefited most from the system to pay the lion's share of sustaining the system... unless the system is actually functioning correctly to recreate the slave class that made us in the first place.
Uh, the wealthy DO pay the lions share of the taxes on a dollar basis.
 
It's rare that any programs run as efficiently as possible. That's not an indictment of the system so much as competency and ethics. Your capitalism-fellating considers a system where the uber-rich continue to get richer and the poor continue to get poorer successful.


What you're endorsing amounts to an aristocracy based on money. When inherited wealth creates a caste system that's almost impossible to break, you're favoring the rights of dead people over the poor. What "personal responsibility" are the living held to in that? Wealthy heirs have a leg up that lasts their entire lives and affords a life of luxury, while the poor work harder to fall further behind and you castigate them.

We have every right to expect those who benefited most from the system to pay the lion's share of sustaining the system... unless the system is actually functioning correctly to recreate the slave class that made us in the first place.
SO.... who decides it? I'm not in the business of telling other people what they can do with their money. Im not over here accumulating generational wealth and protecting myself. Ive stated there needs to be a healthy balance of social programs and capitalistic opportunities. There are a ton of people that have accumulated wealth thru risk and years and years of hard work. They did something nobody could do....or was willing to. They absolutely deserve to give their kids a better life than they had b/c they earned it. Its also their responsibility to bring their kids up to build on their success and keep it going for generations. I do work for a trucking and implement manufacturing company that started with one truck in the late 70's. They just sold to Kabota for almost a half billion dollars. The owner does not deserve to be taxed to death bc his hard work created something out of nothing. He created a market by innovation and quality product. He also knew that his company was only as strong as his workforce. He handed out 30 million worth of bonuses to employees on his way out. 3K per year for every employee that had worked there and he even covered guys that had retired in the past 5 years. These type of people don't deserved to be heavily taxed b/c their success. And you act like the poor working harder leads to them being poorer----I think thats a rare case. If they don't do something innovative and create something people want---they wont attain the wealth of some---but its not a contest and its not a right. People will always have more whatever level you are at-and if you haven't done something to earn that level---its not up to anyone to give it to you.
 
Yea nothing about it outside of Health Care maybe , has appeal to those with those traits listed.
Agreed. I pay $1200 month for BCBS for 3 of us. 6k deduct. Thats insane. I haven't filed a BCBS for 15 yrs after being off my parents insurance. I take care of myself. The amount Ive put in the healthcare system and the benefits I've received are sh*t. Think If i just had a health savings plan with that quarter million sitting in it. Yet I support a system for many people who aren't health conscious. Yet they pay lower rates and have better benefits than I do. What it amounts to is me paying 10x more for a broken arm. The main reason socialism fails is b/c their is too much dead weight---and I'm not talking about the people who are actually sick and deserving. Im talking about the plethora of lazy, unhealthy, freeloaders who create their own problems and pass the buck.
 
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