Romeo
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Graduation/End of Eligibility: Newkirk, Johnson, McSwain, Priller, Hartman
Transfer: Jones (mid-Season)
7 newcomers: Fitzner (Grad Transfer), Thompson (Redshirt), Langford, Hunter, Anderson, Phinisee, Forrester (freshman)
Lol.....Long day. What I meant to say was..............
So far just Robert Johnson, Josh Newkirk , Hartman and McSwain. Morgan entered the draft, but wasn't invited to the combine. I'd say(hope) he will return. IF he comes back, IU has a chance to be really good.
No they didn't. We had Juwan Morgan, Justin Smith and Robert Johnson. The rest of our kids were either really young or sucked.
1) There was an unscrewing of Crean defense that needed to occur. As you could see, we let the likes of Fort Wayne and ISU light us up....however, we corrected that come Big Ten season. We had the second best defense in the B10 season per Kenpom.
2) Justin Smith was a 4 star, but he was towards the half end of the 4 stars and a frosh. Pure athlete as he came in with a 42 inch vertical but he needs to improve his shooting, dribbling and like every frosh his defense. He had some really good games last year and should be a lot better this year.
3) Robert Johnson was shooting atrocious the entire first half of the season. He had a lot of wide open shots that he couldn't hit. He was piss poor the first half of the season.
4) Our PG situation was atrocious. Newkirk just sucked. He sucked under Dixon, Crean and Miller. Durham was too young and isn't a shooter. He wasn't a shooter in HS. Shot horrible in the EYBL. He was also ranked in the 200s. Same with Green. Kid isn't a shooter. Kid was also ranked in the 200s and plays too much street ball instead of being a smart PG. You clearly didn't watch him last year. Archie about pulled his hair out a million times.
5) We didn't have a big. Clifton Moore was rail thin and young and wasn't ready when you put him in. Moore won't produce until his Junior or Senior season. Davis was injured, but we actually improved on perimeter D and our packline D when he went out. So, that left us with Morgan, Smith and McSwain guarding the 5. A PF, SF and a 6'4" PF. Problematic at best.
6) To top it all off, we struggled shooting the 3. The team missed a ton of open shots..We just never had a dead eye shooter or scorer.
7) We started a walk-on.
So, when you struggle at 2-3 positions and have zero depth because either kids aren't ready or just aren't good enough....you will struggle.
IU pushes some of the problem areas with experience and pushing the kids who played major minutes back.
This past year we were expected to be bad. A lot of predictions for 12th.
We will insert this year:
Race Thompson - 4 star that was ranked 85th prior to reclassifying and redshirting. He will have a year in the system and lifting.
Jerome Hunter - 4 star
Robert Phinisee - 4 star
Damezi Anderson - 4 star
Jake Forrester - 4 star
We will probably start....
Phinisee - 4 star PG
Romeo - 5 star SG
Smith - 4 star SF
Morgan - 4 star PF
Davis or Thompson - 4 star PF/C
Backups:
Davis or Thompson - 4 star PF/C
Hunter - 4 star SG-PF
Anderson - 4 star SG/SF
Green - 3 star with a year more of experience - CG
Durham - 3 star with a year more of experience- CG
Fitzner - grad transfer C
Moore - 4 star PF/C who was not good enough to help last year.
Kansas has positioned themselves on the top 2 line 21 times since '85.
They've won it all as a 6 and as a 1.
22 S16 or better in 33 eligible tourneys.
10 of those 22 in the Bill Self Era (15 seasons)
.. I'm cool if Kansas doesn't change a thing.
We fine, fam. Really.
Somehow Kansas not winning helps them feel better about their team(s) sucking for decades.
wet af rn. RollLaugh
only two schools/coaches have the clout to build their entire recruiting philosophy around the OAD
all other schools have no choice but to use the model where they get 1 or 2 OAD players a year
And? Like I said, there is a difference in having a OAD, or two---Opposed to building your entire roster around them. That is what I said I wouldn't like. And pretty sure that is what most others meant. I kove how Arch is recruiting. This year: Three 4* and one 5. In the Hunt for two or three 5*'s next year; Likely get one(TJD), and wouldn't shock me if Brooks comes to IU either. I doubt either though will be a OAD(rule change or not). Not all 5* guys are OAD's. Again, another difference.
Happy with what Miller's doing and where this program is headed. And if he gets Brooks and Jackson-Davis? Indiana's time will come sooner than later.
IU would get 10 One and Done 5 star players if they could get them. Archie has been recruiting several 5 star players and finally got one. The only reason you act like you don't want one and dones is because you can't get them to come to IU.
so you are saying that you DO NOT want Archie to recruit at the level of UK or Duke
works for me
Finally got one? It's his first year recruiting. And he got the only one he recruited.
The Force is weak with this one ^
Missed on Garland, but yeah not a lot of information either way here. As a fan, I do prefer the Nova and UNC type teams of the past few years. Indiana has a long way to go before they get to be in that conversation, but the corner looks like it’s being turned.
Why are we still doing this Romeo thread? It died, like it should have then someone god bored and felt the need to troll?
i am no fan of IU, but i do like Archie
like i said when IU hired him
give him a couple of years getting his feet wet recruiting with the big boys and i think he will do very well at IU
IMHO he is the best young coach in CBB
like i said when IU hired him
give him a couple of years getting his feet wet recruiting with the big boys and i think he will do very well at IU
IMHO he is the best young coach in CBB
Man you guys cannot be this stupid----right? Where have I ever said I didn't want OAD's at IU? I haven't. Not sure any IU fan has. ANd if they have---well, they are lying. I said I wouldn't like for our program to be built around the OAD. And I wouldn't. TBH with you, I don't care who the fvck Miller brings in---As long as he wins. And personally I don't feel Miller needs a roster full of 5*, OAD to win. Love how he's recruiting; Dabbing in the 5* market, while also pursuing kids who are going to be 3-4 year contributors. TO me, that is a recipe for a lot of success.
Sooooooooooooo. Again. I do not mind getting OAD players. I just don't care for the whole, "build your program around them" style.
I cannot explain any clearer than this. If you are still confused, then I guess its time to move on.
He is really good. Winning 16 games, and going .500 in the Big with that group he had was---well, a solid ass job. Next year Indiana should be pretty damn good. Especially if Morgan returns. A Top 10 class coming in, meshed with experienced, is a solid foundation. Miller filled in the missing pieces. Exciting to see what he now does.
No.........I'm saying I don't think Miller NEEDS to recruit at their level. Plus, not sure anyone can anyways---So why "want it"? Like I said, and man are you trying real, real hard---There is a difference of having "A" OAD, or 5* kid(s), opposed to building your program around them. SO my answer is, well, YES and NO. Yes I want Miller to get the best players.........BUT, NO, I hope he doesn't throw all his eggs into one basket, i.e. roster full of OAD< or potential OAD. And TBH, I don't think he will. His philosophy seems to be getting multiple 3-4 year guys, with a sprinkle of a possible OAD, or two. And I am fine with that. Look at this class. Very solid. Next year IU is string with Brooks, TJD, Watford, etc, etc...None really projected as OAD's. But all three highly touted. Add those three to a returning core of this years frsoh class, along with returning 2nd and 3rd year players??? Yeah, I can deal with that. Kinda of, well, "Villanova'ish", huh? ANd how has that panned out?
So spin it like ya want. Really don't care. My point is simple. But you know this.
Loved it to. He went .500 in the Big 10 with no PG, no center, a walk on starting, no depth and no shooters. This year he will have a PG, shooters, a center, a lot of depth, and he won't be starting a walk-on. If he "keeps it up", IU should be really, really good(next year).
not sure how there can be a spin on what i said
you either want the top talent or you don't
some want the best talent, some want to hope to hit lightning in a bottle every couple of decades
of course we are debating something that will be gone in a couple of years
you used Villanova as your crowning example
they had a great 3 year run, using that same strategy how did they do prior to that 3 year run
It would be nice for IU to be good for a change. They have not been relevant in decades.
Villanova and UNC have both been pretty good lately following the same type of model. Louisville might be able to be included in that list as well. To a lesser extent, places like Syracuse and Michigan State over the last 15 years. There isn't only 1 way to be a consistently good program. All of the ways take talent, coaching, and player development though.
for the most part i agree
we only have two schools using the OAD system and they have won almost half of the championships the last eight years and with a lucky break or two could have won more
that is why i do not understand why any fan of any school would not want the best talent every year
It is funny with that..the one and done scenario has worked when those team had more experienced players to go with them. Kentucky for example had Lamb and Jones as #2 and #3 scorers and a senior Miller that year.
Like I said, they need the experience. For example, Kentucky and Duke had the most talent on their rosters (5 stars, etc.). What was missing? Well in Duke's case, your experienced player is a couple screws loose. Kentucky's top 8 were all frosh. Without keeping players for a couple years, you lose that experience. It has worked 2 out of the last 8 years but with the one and doners....you needed 3 out of your top 7 to be really talented and experienced in Kentucky's case or you needed a dynamic, smart leader in Quinn Cook in Duke's case. In both of those situations it worked out.
Everyone wants talent, but I believe that you need a nice blend of experience to go with that. 8 out of 8 years......there is a ton of talent and each team had a set of experienced players to go with that talent.
I wouldn't trade UK's or Duke's team for your team. I like their chances every March and that's all you can really ask for going into the tournament.
Don't mean to be to the point, but I"m heading out to the bbq championship.
YOu are spinning it to meet your "argument". Top talent doesn't always mean, a OAD. I want what is best for what Miller wants to do. Trust his approach. Like I said, of course as a fan i want the best talent. But at what cost? I mean what happens when Cal leaves? What foundation is there? I mean do you really think all those OAD/5*, Burger boys are coming to UK b/c "it's Kentucky"? If you do, man a re you in for a shock when Cal hangs it up. I'm just fine with how Miller is recruiting.
As for Nova.......They've won two titles the past 3 seasons. Remind me of how many OAD's they had?
THose days are here. IU will have a really goof trio of Morgan(if he returns), Smith and Langford. THe frosh are solid. I look for Indiana to be really solid next year. And for the years to come. Miller's just getting started.
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