*Official* B1G In-Season Thread
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After watching both games, I actually think its rather obvious Ryan Cline is the more complete and better overall player than Romeo Langford. The closer debate is Nojel Eastern or Romeo Langford, and its hard to find something Romeo does better than Nojels on ball defense.
Nowof course, this will blow casual fans minds. Youll see the typical casual fans quote this and act like its some sort of u orthodox take, but its rather accurate.
I agree. Except Smith isn't a role player. He's a big fixture in IU's offense. Plus IU also has De'Ron Davis.
Note: I hope Green transfers. Like, tomorrow.
This “hot take” is right on par with his call that Arizona was a Final Four team last year. Lulz!
If you had forgotten, they played on a team that had 2 lotto picks taking the large amount of the minutes and shots. You're knocking them for not adding more to a team that won the Big Ten. 2 of them weren't even starters, because they played behind those 2 lotto picks.
Langford and McQuaid didnt shoot well overall in conference, but were still both 39%+ shooters from 3. They were good for a few rebounds and a couple assists per game. Goins averaged even less minutes, because he was behind JJJ, Ward, and Bridges.
Players under Izzo typically get better each year in the program, McQuaid and Goins are Seniors. No one is saying they're all of a sudden going to become NBA level players. But so far, they've played well. Enough to be the pieces to fit in with Cash and Ward.
Now let's be real with your 10th place prediction. Cash and Ward are likely All-B1G players this season, and you're saying Henry could be a sleeper one and done. That's 10th place worthy?
Henry is a very real one and done. I think hes the very best B1G freshman Ive seen all year. And thats straight out.
If Izzo plays Henry 26+ mins per game in the conference slate, MSU is live. If its Langford and Mcquaid, theres just nothing there bub. I mean what do you want from me? They simply arent on the level of B1G teams.
It's posts like these that prove you are way to biased to ever be taken seriously. I mean good god you're a joke.
Romeo Lamgford is 1/7 from 3
Hes 6/14 from the FT line
Hes feasting on low major defense to the tune of 85% 2 point. Thats not realistic or sustainable vs B1GB1G defenses
When that inevitably drops to 55% in conference play, how does he atone? The boy cant shoot 3s or FTs. Imean seruously, you think a 6'6 freshman is goingto be betterfrom 2 than a 7'2 senior Isaac Haas wasin conferenceplay last year?
Casual fans just are so clueless.
Hes 6/14 from the FT line
Hes feasting on low major defense to the tune of 85% 2 point. Thats not realistic or sustainable vs B1GB1G defenses
When that inevitably drops to 55% in conference play, how does he atone? The boy cant shoot 3s or FTs. Imean seruously, you think a 6'6 freshman is goingto be betterfrom 2 than a 7'2 senior Isaac Haas wasin conferenceplay last year?
Casual fans just are so clueless.
Isaac Haas, a 7'2 senior who only shot close to the rim, shot 62% on 2slast year.
But Romeo Langford, a 6'6 jump shooter is somehow goingto shoot 85% on 2 pointers in conference play.
Like how dumb do you have to be to believe that. The boys shooting no better than 55% from 2 in conferenceplay this year.
But Romeo Langford, a 6'6 jump shooter is somehow goingto shoot 85% on 2 pointers in conference play.
Like how dumb do you have to be to believe that. The boys shooting no better than 55% from 2 in conferenceplay this year.
Eastern and his big bad 6ppg
Shot 41% at the foul line last year
Is sporting 1-1.5 assist to turnover ratio
At IU he wouldn't even come off the bench.
Romeo (in his first 2 collegiate games)
15.5 ppg
60% fg
2.5-1 assist to turnover ratio
This is my last post on this because clearly you're too stupid to be reasoned with.
yeah he's not much different from trojan. just laughably bad takes
Eastern and his big bad 6ppg
Shot 41% at the foul line last year
Is sporting 1-1.5 assist to turnover ratio
At IU he wouldn't even come off the bench.
Romeo (in his first 2 collegiate games)
15.5 ppg
60% fg
2.5-1 assist to turnover ratio
This is my last post on this because clearly you're too stupid to be reasoned with.
Comparing Cline and McBobs defensive abilities is a lot different than comparing Romeo and Eastern as overall players. It would be like me saying Carsen Edwards and Phinisee are comparable players (obviously that's a horrible comparison).
No, because Phinesee actually looks to be a decent player soo far. I'm not a fan of Eastern at all, if Purdue has to rely on him offensively they will be in big trouble this year.
I think empowering Langford without Bridges/Jackson is good for him. Got stuck in the role of a shooter, and now that he's asked to do more, he's being more aggressive. Which he obviously has had the capability of doing, he just hasn't.
Is Henry playing the 3 for you guys? Still don't understand why Purdue didn't really pursue him, would love to have him playing a Vince kind of role for us rn
Based on your epic meltdown after Iowa a couple years ago, or how you self banned yourself from this thread after your Arizona take, I would say your takes make you more angry than everyone else.
Like Arizona being a Final Four team last year? Your comments today are in that same ballpark. Be better.
you cherry-picked shit stats and adamantly debated that mcbob = cline from 3. literally iu version of matt
Do you really not understand the concept of sample size?
Not exactly the case. You have Purdue fans calling Cline an All B10 player. Bad takes on both sides, pal.you cherry-picked shit stats and adamantly debated that mcbob = cline from 3. literally iu version of matt
Stop with that trash. I said they shot the same percentage. I conceded Cline was a better shooter like two posts after my original. If I was the IU version of Matty I would be saying Cline is a terrible shooter because he is currently 27% on the season. I'm not doing that.you cherry-picked shit stats and adamantly debated that mcbob = cline from 3. literally iu version of matt
Dude, do you even read what people write or just craft them to what you want them to say. That's not remotely what he said.
For one, McRoberts had more steals last year(37), than Cline has had in FOUR years(33).
McRoberts DRtg this year is 55.8 Clines is 101.8. For their careers, McRoberts is 97.8....Clines is 101.8
Another stat------Via Synergy Sports: From last year.
There have been 145 possessions that have ended with Zach’s man having the ball and either shooting or turning it over. In those possessions, Zach’s man is scoring just 0.621 points per possession. That is in the 95th percentile nationally. For comparison sake, Dakota Mathias is allowing 0.915 points per possession across 235 possessions. That is in the 34th percentile nationally. Other notable defenders:
- Jae’Sean Tate: 0.739 ppp across 268 possessions
- Josh Reaves: 0.818 ppp across 148 possessions
- Ethan Happ: 0.86 ppp across 178 possessions
There is more. But I'm not really a big stats guy. I used these b/c you said the metrics back your claim up. They do not.
McRoberts is a much better defender. Last year he guarded everyone from Diop to Bridges. And that was by design. When he was inserted into the line-up, IU's AdjD was 201. At the end of the year, IU sat at 51; Top in the Big 10. Not an accident, there.
I don't think there is an argument that McRoberts is a better offensive player(than Cline). But I also don't thnk there's one for CLine being a better defensive player.
Everyone predicted Arizona to be a final foir team once the bracket came out. It jistified my thoughts. Something like 46% of analysts had them making the final four, provingmy thoughts in November correct. Only, they got upset like a bunch of good teams do every year
But I was provencorrect for sure by Arizona.
yeah not worth responding to.
don't have any trouble with this one. when i've watched, it's been obvious that he's a good defender. Cline was a guy teams targeted as a frosh and sophomore -- but last year was solid on-ball and effective off-ball.
Romeo shot 81% from the line in HS...37% from three. But since he's struggled in his first TWO games, he can't shoot? Ok...I guess since CLine is shooting like 11% so far this year, he can't shoot either?
Your takes are just awful. I mean, everything tells me---He's trolling. But then you adamantly stand by what you say. So that just leads me to believe you're just totally fvcking stupid.
also, I believe it's been brought up, but defensive rating is a terrible stat. we've seen it be awful with multiple purdue guys -- ray davis being the most obvious example.
I agree. And his numbers show that. I think Cline;s a solid defender. I just feel McRoberts is better.
It can be. Like I said, I'm not a big stats guy. Never have been. Just from watching, IMO MCroberts is a better defender. I mean he did have more steals last year, than Cline has had in 4 years. McRoberts was tops in the Big 10(22nd nationally) in steals percentage. Miller loves his defense. Its why he put him on guys such as Diop, Bridges, etc, etc...
