LeBron Declares Himself GOAT
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Right or not, its a heck of a debate. Solid arguments can be made for both.Wasn’t singling you out though, cause you aren’t alone. I have this debate often with my closest friends (Illinoisans), and they’re just as wrong as you are.
BTW, Illinoisians normally are wrong. But not this time..
Your privilege gave you the choice of voting Johnson.
Libertarianism is an immature fantasy people ought to grow out of between the day they accidentally took a quiz while walking through the student union and Fall Break of freshman year. You depend on a larger govt to protect those so-called "personal freedoms"(ie, materialism). You're the 15-year-old alternating between begging for a ride to the mall and yelling about how grown you are.
I don't thinks it being biased. I just think its an opinion. Being biased would mean not being able objective. There are a ton of arguments for LBJ. i just happen to feel there are not enough.
The word, "bias" is used way to often. And commonly used out of context.
Again, and this ME, I never said the defense was better. I said the game was more physical.
Explain this?Not sure what you are saying here. I watched Jordan in his prime. I've seen LBJ in his prime. Getting older doesn't change what I saw, i.e. growing up. I'm assuming via your comments, that you too watched MJ in his prime. How has "growing up" altered what you saw?
and if scoring was up and LeBron is obviously a physical specimen that would dominate across all eras then isn't the logical conclusion be that he probably would have scored more back then?
Nah, I have been very complimentary about James as a basketball player and has stature within the games all time elites. I think he is 2nd best. (I tend to judge on those I have seen play myself, which would be starting in 1980) If that is underestimating James, then I guess I am guilty of it.
BTW, there is no player I hate more in the history of the game than Michael Jordan.
i mean i've grown out of these emotional "so and so is the best because he was my idol when i was in high school" type arguments. i can see reality for what it is and if there is somebody to challenge my guy, then i'm not gonna lie to myself and pretend to myself and denigrate their accomplishment and skill in order to make my childhood dreams still stand up.
Bron is a physical specimen who takes borderline ridiculous care of his body. His bully ball game is as good as anyone. He’d be fine.
Would it be a logical conclusion that with how close the game is called, and how the rules have changed, that MJ would score more today? Remember, when Jordan played, there was no defensive 3 seconds....Meaning, dude couldn't wait in the lane, and clobbered your ass, i.e. the Pistons,AKA, the Jordan Rules. There was no illegal defense.
And scoring is up NOW, compared to MJ's prime years; +6. So maybe I am missing something here?
As I have said, LBJ would have no issue being who he is today, in any era.
and getting older doesn't change what you saw...of course. however, nostalgic feelings most defintely can. it's a fact of life. the grass is always greener. those days we're better. so and so was greater at this. and so on.
I don't think anyone is doing that though. I don't think this is nostalgia (from the guys discussing it here). People just think Jordan is better. I was a 'Nique fan growing up. He was my basketball guy. My college preference never bled over into who I pulled for in the pros back then.
Sheesh...I nver said he wouldn't be. Go back and look at the context in which I used how the physical the game was. It wasn't used in reference of LBJ not being able to compete. It was used in reference to how guys would be able to defend MJ.
Your stats aren’t fair. Scoring wasn’t this high when Bron won his titles, maybe the last one. It’s at an all time high now, or highest it’s been since Jordan’s first three titles, which are the years he face those nasty Pistons, etc etc. The scoring average is a wash.
I just don't see anyone doing this. If anything, as times goes, it makes each debate stronger, and harder.
He wouldn’t be the size he is now back then. Science is so much more advanced now.
The truly great ones of their generation would be great in any era. Magic, Bird and Jordan would be all stars now just like LeBron and some others now would if they played then.
Bird once scored 20+ points one game left handed. He won 3 titles and didn’t take care of his body, and Magic won 5 while partying like Hugh Hefner.
i get you, but dominique ain't even close to this discussion. nobody has ever argued him the greatest. when the argument is this close these things matter.
I am lost...Explain to the ignorant why my stats aren't fair? The only reason I ask, is well, two reasons:
1. I thought it was more than a review of overall, not title seasons.
2. Jordan won 6 titles. LBJ has 3. I can't help that part.Winking
Do I use the scoring from MJ's first three.......or second 3?
No, but I was not a Jordan fan at all. That's what I mean. I'm not nostalgic for him or that era. I watch more now than I did then and am way more into it.
Again, I don't feel anyone is making an argument based on nostalgic views. I could be wrong. That's why I asked for an explanation.
you may not be, but the folks who argue such things have been that way for you. MJ's greatness and cultural icon status has almost made him a mythical god. even if he wasn't your man, you've been ingrained into thinking he was untouchable.
do you ever remember him having a poor playoff game? of course not...but he had plenty.
You’re all over the place man. I’m not going to connect all these (obvious) dots for you. Feel like you’re just kind of playing dumb and/or moving the goal posts with each reply. Cheers.
Which is his point. In other words, if Cory was using who his favorite was, he would argue Wilkins.
New doc coming out on his last Bulls’ season (as you probably know), so these debates are about to take off when that hits. Just hope he survives Ostertag, again.
I also love how his return season is glossed over like it never happened. MJ never lost. We all know this.
Ok...Scoring average was used. Then changed. I was just asking what years were being used. That is all.
You are to intelligent of a poster, to be this obtuse.New doc coming out on his last Bulls’ season (as you probably know), so these debates are about to take off when that hits. Just hope he survives Ostertag, again.
I also love how his return season is glossed over like it never happened. MJ never lost. We all know this.
You are guilty of it, yes. You aren’t looking for a fair comparison either considering the second I complimented Lebron you imply that it somehow mean that I wasn’t dissing Jordan.
For me? Not sure what you mean by that first sentence.
I get the overall point though. You could also say recency bias impacts the argument for Lebron in the same way. You may not feel that way but the folks who argue such have been that way for you, right? See, that doesn't seem fair to me.
Amount of games? He had a couple months to prepare no? Also, do you think a year and a half off basketball saved his legs some for later in his career or no? Lebron played 82 games last year, not counting the playoffs. Jordan was playing his last season with the Wiz, not really doing MJ things.
New doc coming out on his last Bulls’ season (as you probably know), so these debates are about to take off when that hits. Just hope he survives Ostertag, again.
I also love how his return season is glossed over like it never happened. MJ never lost. We all know this.
never missed a game winner either. dude was 100% when the money was on the line. just ask those who say he is the most competitive winner of all winners to ever hit the hardwood.
doesn't really make sense to argue that though because it's likely the minority arguing LeBron here. LeBron gets ridiculed for thinking he's the GOAT, when that's a trait that most would argue make/made MJ the best ever...that arrogant, steal your lunch money and your heart out of your chest for challenging me, I'm the best ever attitude.
in reality one should question why wouldn't LeBron have this thought process? not that he does.
i know. a bit of hyperbole on my part, but at the same time there is truth behind it. nobody remembers the shots MJ missed. everybody remembers lebron's shortcomings. it is fact. prove me wrong.
and there are folks on this thread saying mj's competitiveness and will to win are "unrivaled". that is as subjective a statement as one can make when it comes to athletics. nobody knows what is going on inside someone's head.
It doesn't seem like that is the minority opinion here. You can't play the nostalgia card as a knock (for those who do) without accepting recency bias as well. Both could impact how people perceive things.
I think Lebron should think he is the GOAT. I think several guys in the league probably think the same of themselves. I don't think that was ever the discussion (maybe I missed it though) regarding him saying that though. I thought it was his need to say it, which comes from his sensitivity and sort of need to make sure he is being talked about. None of that impacts whether or not he is the GOAT though.
You do realize that I asked a question of you and did not claim you said anything. (Usually thats why people ask questions when they aren’t sure what a person is saying) After that question was asked I typed if you believe that then take a step back.All of my posts remain in regards to this topic, unedited.
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