Kansas vs WVU
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I thought he traveled too. Sadly players get away with that travel on breakaway dunks all the time.
Yep that looked like a travel to me. Now post a clip of the basket interference that wasn’t called.
I did my fair share of it too. Had a helluva lotta fun too. I don't anymore but I also don't regret doing it either.
That is for a ballhandler. Hence you found this rule under "handcheck". It also pertains to a player who is moving, trying to get to a spot. If you put two hands on a cutter, ballhandler, it is automatic. But not in this case. This is not what the rule is intended for.
This rule mostly pertains to a ballhandler. Not a stationary player.
But solid effort non the less.
Yeah...it was never really my thing. I always enjoyed booze more. It’s very rare for me these days. But I did go to one hell of a bachelor party/weekend in Boulder, CO a few months ago.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. The rule book makes no stipulation of being a ball handler on that bullet point. Two bullets later it specifically states "dribbler" when talking about arm bars. They're either inconsistent in the writing of their rules or you're wrong.
When the defensive player put both hands on Dok it was a automatic foul, no flop needed.
I was more of a liquor person myself. Personally I loved to just line the shot glasses up and go to town. Put down many handles of Captain Morgan and Jack Daniels. We'd get real dicey and line up the glasses with either Hot Damn 100 proof or Bacardi 151 (4 to 5 shot glasses at a time), shoot 'em until we couldn't get up off the floor.
I never said calls weren't missed. I just said when 80 plus percent of your shots are from 15 feet and beyond, you're probably not going to get the benefit of the whistle. The first clip, yes--------that is a foul. It was called late. But either way, it is a foul. You cannot extend your arms and impeded an offensive players ability to move. It is a foul. Terrible acting. But a foul.
The second clip, I saw live. I think it looked worse than what it was. Honestly did not see a ton of contact. Just seems the force of the play, made it look very physical. Not sure it was.
Third clip. That is a foul. But an even worse acting job.
Yeah I didn't think anything of the second one live but that replay does seem like a foul. Like the defender lunges into him but idk
Same. When I smoked, I wanted to stay in and watch shitty movies and eat even shittier food. When I drank, I wanted to go out and meet people...and get laid. If I smoked more, I would have never done anything, and I certainly wouldn’t be married with a kid. I never liked how unproductive smoking made me. Can still be fun though.
I''ll ask this as nicely as possible:
How many NCAA rule meetings,interpratations have you set in on? Myself? Quite a few. This rule has been a POE. It was introduced along with the freedom of movement for players to be allowed to freely move. SO...........If you are not MOVING, then this rule doesn't really apply to you. And yes it does stipulate:
Section 4. Hand-Checking (Impeding the Progress of a Player)
See^^^^^^^. This is the title where you quoted the rule. I know it well. No need to look it up. This rule primarily applys to a ballhandler. It's why it's under handchecking.
During our meetings we go over this exrensively. And when and where to apply it. It always...ALWAYS pertains to either a ballhandler----or a cutter. It does not pertain to a stationary player. They(NCAA) are not inconsistent with their writing. Nor am I wrong.
You're just misinterpeting the rule. And when it should be applied.
I thought the 2nd play was a 50/50. There was some body contact but the block at the top made it look worse than it did. Still had they called a foul there wouldn't have been any argument.
Same with the block by Doke late in the game against Carter. Doke blocked the shot before there was contact but there was body contact after the block. No argument had they called a foul there.
They definitely missed the foul on Doke on the Miles drive. That was a huge miss because of the immediate turn around.
The block was all ball, but there was some body contact. The body contact usually doesn’t get called though if the block is clean. Not sure why.
Here's another elbow up around the throat that send a 260 pound dude down to his knees... no call.
Telling you right now... Konate never flops. Doesn't have it in him.
He fouled dok twice before dok flopped bc the ref wouldn’t call it. You saw both of those but focus on the flop. Why?
I just think it is one of those plays that just looks bad. It looks like a foul, so therefore, it has to be. Hell as an official, I;ve been guilty of calling a foul simply b/c it looked bad. Abd then again, I;ve had my ass ripped for not calling a foul, when it was nothing. Like I a 6'7" 280 lb dude setting a screen on a 5"9" 150lb dude who's running full speed and never see's the screen. Looks awful. But it ain;t a foul.
He placed his hand on his chest... stop it.
If that was called every time, both teams would be in the double bonus before the first tv timeout.
I think the biggest thing was the presence of Doke. He makes it hard for opposing teams to drive cause he’s just so huge. They got the ball down low with ease(and got to the line) when Lightfoot was in there. But Doke was in for almost the entire game tonight. Extremely rare. He didn’t pick up any of the stupid cheap over the back type of fouls he usually does. He played smart and even stopped himself a couple times when it looked like he was going to pick one up. WVU should have forced the issue against him until he got into foul trouble. Maybe but have had a few empty possessions out of it, but they would have been able to get him out of the game and get to the line. Self is notorious for doing this. He will give up possessions and force it on an opposing player to get him in foul trouble. It worked great for ISU the other night. They just didn’t cash in on it.
This is the full rule:
Section 4. Hand-Checking (Impeding the Progress of a Player) To curtail hand-checking, officials must address it at the beginning of the game, and related personal fouls must be called consistently throughout the game. Some guidelines for officials to use when officiating hand-checking:
a. When a defensive player keeps a hand or forearm on an opponent, it is a personal foul.
b. When a defensive player puts two hands on an opponent, it is a personal foul.
c. When a defensive player continually jabs by extending his arm(s) and placing a hand or forearm on the opponent, it is a personal foul.
d. When a defensive layer uses an arm bar to impede the progress of a dribbler, it is a personal foul.
So I bolded the ONLY mention of a "dribbler" (or ball handler as you're putting it). If the entire rule applies only to ball handlers why specifically state it in only one section of the rule? That makes very little sense to me to write it that way.
So one of two things is true: 1) the rule is poorly written or 2) you're admitting that officials are interpreting rules differently than they are written.
Damn I had a lot of fun. I don't smoke anymore. In fact haven't touched the stuff in about 15 years. Still occasionally drink socially but nothing nothing out of hand. Of course when I do drink, I'm still more of a liquor person and won't hesitate to line up the shot glasses. Married life tends to ground me or at least it did for me. I still have a good time though.
That was not an elbow. He leaned into and was pushing for position. A foul for sure, and it was called. It would have been a disgrace if they had called that a flagrant. They called it right.
That's not even the elbow that should have been a flagrant...
Want me to pull that one up too?
I don't blame you for wanting to live in the past right now.
Same. I drink socially, but still know how to put them down...a few times a year. Married life grounded me too. Don’t mind it though. Nothing makes me happier than wearing myself out chasing my daughter around, crazy as it sounds.
For sure and we can't forget Dax missed the front end of a one and one on a loose ball foul that they probably could have just swallowed the whistle on
Yeah it's really tough and don't think that particular play is worth complaining about. I used to be that kid with an attitude towards the refs, grew up and started reffing summer league/AAU and your perspective totally changes lol. Seemed like every other game we were making one parent leave the gym, it's unreal
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I didn’t watch the clip because I assumed that was the one you were talking about. This clip doesn’t even deserve a mention. You’re really grasping at straws now.
It's not living in the past... we beat you this year. Two years in a row.
If we met in March you know you'd be expecting another L.
Clearly elbows him in the chest/throat and sends him to his knees...
not worth a mention
Again, take it to the KU board.
Wasn't it Konate that flopped on one of Dok's last dunks of the game? Grasping at straws for sure.
All I said was that our season is better than your season. If you think 19-8 is better than 24-2, then you're a moron. Congrats on the win early in the season before we found our groove. We've gotten better. You've regressed. I would not worry about a rematch. Not to say you couldn't win but I wouldn't bet on it.
Also, it's funny how you think you're better than KU despite losing both games to them.
I love Huggy. Always have, since his days at Cincy. His post game presser was weak af, though. Told his kids, “wasn’t their fault.” Well who’s fault was it? The offense fell apart down the stretch. Players make, or don’t make plays. Refs are apart of the game, for better or worse. Coaches coach. Fans cheer and boo. Players win or lose the game. Period.
Sorry Huggy, it was their fault.
Sorry Huggy, it was their fault.
