GOT

[coryfly]

The Dany one is the "least poorly executed" of the storylines, I agree. Her going mad doesn't bother me, its the fact that the switch was flipped almost instantly by three events that aren't all that bad at all compared to what she has been through. People say her madness had been foreshadowed, but I don't think it really was that well on the show. Every time she has burned someone alive up until Sunday it has been within the moral guidelines of the world she lives in (ie people betraying her or refusing the bend the knee). I think they could have handled it better is all, especially since HBO wanted them to do 10 episode seasons for the last two seasons and D&D said they didn't need it. They didnt HAVE to rush through the story's conclusion, they chose to.

Cleaganebowl was the best part of the episode. Very fitting that the brothers met their fate in fire. It also produced the best visual scene of the entire show IMO (Drogon spiting fire above the Clegane brothers meeting on stairs). The Hound is a top 3 character in the story to me.

I was ok with Varys. I think he knew things were spiraling quickly and was desperate and would serve the realm even if it meant he could die. Yeah, The Hound was one of my favorites.

Not to GoT (get it), but since we're talking HBO shows, have you watched Chernobyl? I'm loving it.

We have it taped. I'm trying to finish Sharp Objects first. I am really excited about Lovecraft Country, though have no idea when it will even be ready.

 

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[mebeblue2]

How much does it suck chomping on that hook when you know it was trolling?

all he mainly does is political or racist trolling

he is right
Targaryens are the minority
of course he is too foolish to understand that fact, since it does not fit his agenda

Dat should i just go ahead and also put you on ignore
neither of you post much during the season
but the moment you think you can start political threads both of you show up

 

[TheDude1]

all he mainly does is political or racist trolling

he is right
Targaryens are the minority
of course he is too foolish to understand that fact, since it does not fit his agenda

Dat should i just go ahead and also put you on ignore
neither of you post much during the season
but the moment you think you can start political threads both of you show up

Do me a favor?

Check out the UVa not going to the White House thread that went 40+ pages.

See how many posts I have.

Then see how many of them are just... facts.

Thanks in advance!

 

[TheDude1]

Oh, and don’t forget to respond to any of my other ten posts about GoT.

Unless, of course, you just want to troll and complain.

 

[Dattier]

Dat should i just go ahead and also put you on ignore

If you're a snowflake, sure.

 

[mebeblue2]

If you're a snowflake, sure.

no snowflake
i just hate dealing with people that try to turn a college basketball board into a political board
if i wanted to talk politics, then i would go to a political board

i will go ahead and add you to the ignore list

BTW i do not mind OT threads as long as they are not about politics, race or religion

 

[Dattier]

no snowflake
...
BTW i do not mind OT threads as long as they are not about politics, race or religion

I hate to be the one to break this to you...

 

[Turinturumbar]

Obviously. It was meant as a somewhat tongue in cheek joke, and almost a jab at my own "side"

On a serious note, it is VERY strange to see the Dothraki and UnSullied as "bad guys," slaughtering and pillaging. We've seen them as the forces of good for so long, despite their shortcomings... it was off putting to see them slaughtering folks in the streets of Kings Landing.

Weird to see the Dothraki plundering and slaughtering? Have you paid attention? That’s what the Dothraki love to do. Only Daenerys kept them from doing that recently, but I’m pretty sure that they just took her burning the city down as an ok to go back to doing what they do best.

The Unsullied are more surprising, but I don’t recall them attacking anybody but soldiers. They do pretty much only what Daenerys tells them to do. As for referring to them as “minorities”, they aren’t really minorities. They are white, black, brown, and everything in between. They come from all ethnicities and cultures in the east, which is largely white and brown people.

The Northmen are also pillaging and raping. So I’m not sure where you’re getting that the “minorities” here are being treated any different.

 

[Dattier]

The Northmen are also pillaging and raping. So I’m not sure where you’re getting that the “minorities” here are being treated any different.

"Outsiders," then, if you will.

 

[TheDude1]

Weird to see the Dothraki plundering and slaughtering? Have you paid attention? That’s what the Dothraki love to do. Only Daenerys kept them from doing that recently, but I’m pretty sure that they just took her burning the city down as an ok to go back to doing what they do best.

The Unsullied are more surprising, but I don’t recall them attacking anybody but soldiers. They do pretty much only what Daenerys tells them to do. As for referring to them as “minorities”, they aren’t really minorities. They are white, black, brown, and everything in between. They come from all ethnicities and cultures in the east, which is largely white and brown people.

The Northmen are also pillaging and raping. So I’m not sure where you’re getting that the “minorities” here are being treated any different.

You are mixing up two concepts.

The first, involving minorities, was a joke.

Now, in terms of it being strange to see the Dothraki and Unsullied like this... it is. Think about it... despite their reputation and what they are said to love, when was the last time we saw Danys Dothraki pillaging a city and slaughtering innocents? The first season or two? And when were the Unsullied used that way? Never? They’ve always been used for what we, as the viewer, would consider “good”... freeing slaves, killing Lannisters, defeating the dead, protecting Dany, killing the Sons of the Harpy... both of those two forces have been solidly seen as the side of “good.” And the Northmen? The North has been the most solid group of “good guys” we’ve had in the entire show, none more so than their literally royal family, the Starks.

But to have them, in this last episode, sacking a city that we, as the viewers, are SO familiar with, more so than any other city... to see them slaughtering innocents and raping and pillaging, and doing this all in KINGS LANDING of all places... a place that has already seen such horror... that was a real change, and was pretty jarring, I think.

 

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[TheDude1]

That made me laugh

 

[Turinturumbar]

You are mixing up two concepts.

The first, involving minorities, was a joke.

Now, in terms of it being strange to see the Dothraki and Unsullied like this... it is. Think about it... despite their reputation and what they are said to love, when was the last time we saw Danys Dothraki pillaging a city and slaughtering innocents? The first season or two? And when were the Unsullied used that way? Never? They’ve always been used for what we, as the viewer, would consider “good”... freeing slaves, killing Lannisters, defeating the dead, protecting Dany, killing the Sons of the Harpy... both of those two forces have been solidly seen as the side of “good.” And the Northmen? The North has been the most solid group of “good guys” we’ve had in the entire show, none more so than their literally royal family, the Starks.

But to have them, in this last episode, sacking a city that we, as the viewers, are SO familiar with, more so than any other city... to see them slaughtering innocents and raping and pillaging, and doing this all in KINGS LANDING of all places... a place that has already seen such horror... that was a real change, and was pretty jarring, I think.

We haven’t seen the Dothraki do that since the first season or two, but then again we haven’t really seen the Dothraki in action since then. Really the only action has been the supply train down South, and defending Winterfell. Both were entirely different types of battles from King’s Landing. The other two didn’t have any opportunity for looting or slaughtering. Only KL, as a conquering campaign, offered that chance, and they took it. In part probably because they were taking after Daenerys’ lead. It’s hard to find fault in them here. It’s part of their culture, so when the situation arose, they went back to being who they are. It would have been the same way if they’d used Wildlings. A wildling doesn’t stop being a wildling just cause you tell them to behave, and neither do the Dothraki.

The unsullied are neither good or bad. They are just tools....or robots. Due to their training, they know nothing other than warfare and following orders. If she had told them to stand down, they would have stood down. They would have killed themselves if she commanded it. In this case, she took another path, and so did they. They were always going to follow her example.

The Northmen are just men like any others. Some good, some bad, and some who might otherwise be noble enough, but in the right circumstances might become brutal with bloodlust. It was only natural that some of them joined in on the slaughter.

And I agree with you, the whole battle/slaughter was very jarring.

 

[Turinturumbar]

"Outsiders," then, if you will.

The invading force is always the one to commit the majority of the misdeeds. There is a different feel for a soldier when he’s killing to defend his home, compared to when he’s conquering with the purpose of likely subjugating the foe.

 

[Dattier]

The invading force is always the one to commit the majority of the misdeeds. There is a different feel for a soldier when he’s killing to defend his home, compared to when he’s conquering with the purpose of likely subjugating the foe.

Yes, hence they became the bad guys.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Interesting to read the different takes on here.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

Jaime - His entire redemption story was ruined. They spent several seasons humanizing him, making him care about things other than just himself and Cersei. Then Cersei hires a hitman to kill both Tyrion and Jaime and Jaime decides to go to King's Landing and SAVE Cersei? GTFO with that terrible writing, who on this planet is going to go sacrifice their life for someone who just hired a hitman to kill you? You could say he was going to save his unborn child, but it has been made pretty clear that Jamie doesn't actually care about his offspring, just Cersei and himself.

Tyrion - His whole shtick was drinking things and knowing things. Except what exactly has he known in the last few seasons? He trusted his damn sister, and kept commenting on how she wasn't a monster... AFTER she hired Bronn to kill both he and his brother. Horrible writing again. He also advised Dany to not go straight to Kings landing, which she could have taken with minimal civilian casualties had she not gone north and lost her damn mind. He has made almost nothing but stupid decisions since arriving back on Westeros. Tyrion has turned into a guy that doesn't drink all that much and doesn't know shit.

Euron - His character development never even started. He's like a less drunk Jack Sparrow who is obsessed with sex. Book Euron is a waaaaay more interesting character.

Varys - The dude who had few equals when it came to spying and scheming betrays his Queen directly in front of her Hand by asking the dude she has been banging recently to betray her... what?

Dany - Her decent into madness was just poorly handled. Shes has been sold as sex slave by her brother, had her husband die, had her unborn child die, led her starving followers through the Dothraki sea, had two of her dragons killed (one of which was resurrected and fought against her) and been betrayed by people closer to her than Varys already. All of that happened, and she still wanted to free the oppressed and "break the wheel". But Missandei being killed, Varys' betrayal and Jon telling his damn family who his real parents are were all it took for her to snap and start burning the innocent alive? That is weak.

White walkers - Died to a freaking sneak attack. Ayra killing one would have been fine with me, but her just materializing behind the Night King and just "knowing" that she had to stab him directly where the Children of the Forest inserted the dragonglass into his chest was just poor story telling. HOW did Ayra sneak in there? HOW did she know she had to stab him in that specific spot (D&D said that she knew)? Way too much dues ex machina.

I'm sure there is more, but these are the main ones that pop out to me. Of course you can hand wave this stuff away, but all of these characters could have ended up meeting the same fate in a way that made more sense.

Im tired so I'm just gonna talk about Jamie real quick. A lot of people talk about Jamie's arc being ruined but many places like Collider and Screen Junkies have thought about it and have taken my side now that it didnt go against his arc of becoming a better person. He didnt fight for cersei... he didnt do anything to harm anyone. ... He only went to save his sister / lover and child. If he's a better person now... do you think he'd let his last child die if he could help it?

The one problem that should be said about Jamie is fan servicing the stupid Brienne / Jamie romp.

 

[Sevro]

BTW, it is crazy to me that, since season 1, we've been sort of waiting for dragons to burn Kings Landing.

Then it happened, and it was not good.

Dany, fulfilling her destiny and finishing the job her father wanted to do... down to the wildfire explosions throughout the city. Too bad there was no Kingslayer there to stop her.

Remember how, in the end, we were pulling for Cersei and NOT Dany? WTF?

Dany has always been a tyrant. Her impulses were always to wipe out anyone in her way. She was held in check somewhat by her advisors. Her entire adult life has been bloodshed and savagery in pursuit of the throne she was told was hers. Then she loses her most trusted advisors, has to kill Varys, feels betrayed by Jon, and realizes she’s gonna rule a land where nobody wants her. What little bit of humanity she had left vanished.

 

[Sevro]

Im tired so I'm just gonna talk about Jamie real quick. A lot of people talk about Jamie's arc being ruined but many places like Collider and Screen Junkies have thought about it and have taken my side now that it didnt go against his arc of becoming a better person. He didnt fight for cersei... he didnt do anything to harm anyone. ... He only went to save his sister / lover and child. If he's a better person now... do you think he'd let his last child die if he could help it?

The one problem that should be said about Jamie is fan servicing the stupid Brienne / Jamie romp.

I agree with this take. At first I was disappointed he didn’t kill Cersei. But that would have gone against his growth as a character. Despite her shortcomings, he still loved her. And he wanted to preserve his unborn child. He risked it all.

I also didn’t mind how Cersei died. Imagine the terror of being trapped under the keep knowing it was just a matter of time before you were crushed by the thing you wanted most. She had time to reflect on all her misdeeds and atrocities.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

I agree with this take. At first I was disappointed he didn’t kill Cersei. But that would have gone against his growth as a character. Despite her shortcomings, he still loved her. And he wanted to preserve his unborn child. He risked it all.

I also didn’t mind how Cersei died. Imagine the terror of being trapped under the keep knowing it was just a matter of time before you were crushed by the thing you wanted most. She had time to reflect on all her misdeeds and atrocities.

Absolutely. Some people are upset about cersei's death like it was some building accident........ nope... Dany and Drogon killed her by making that keep collapse on her.... and yes the emotional trauma it inflicted on Cersei was great..

 

[Toast.]

Jon kills Dany, Arya puts on Dany's face to try to kill Drogon, gets burnt to a crisp. I don't think that second part will actually happen, but it'd be kinda cool.

 

[Big_Blue79]

Not to GoT (get it), but since we're talking HBO shows, have you watched Chernobyl? I'm loving it.

The intensity is enormous. It does a great job so far of portraying the heaviness of it all while it's happening. Some visuals are disturbing to say the least. I can't wait for the next episode.

Since it's only 5 episodes, you might be better off waiting to binge it.

Chernobyl has been fantastic so far, but I second the "waiting to binge it" comment b/c it really leaves you wanting more after every episode.

 

[brooky03]

Jon kills Dany, Arya puts on Dany's face to try to kill Drogon, gets burnt to a crisp. I don't think that second part will actually happen, but it'd be kinda cool.

Arya dies trying to kill Drogon, but mortally wounds him (maybe with a poison dagger using poison from Varys). Then Jon decides he has to kill Dany. He mercs Greyworm, Dany sicks Drogon on him, but Drogon is too weak and dies. Dany is defenseless. Jon goes to stab her in the vag, but Tyrion puts an arrow through her face first.

Boom.

 

[MileHighSpartan]

If the Azor Ahai prophecy is true, Jon has to kill Dany.

 

[Global Havok]

If the Azor Ahai prophecy is true, Jon has to kill Dany.

He should have had to kill Dany in order to forge Lightbringer and stop the long night if Azor Ahai was true, no? The show just doesn't give a shit about the prophecy, IMO.

 

[MileHighSpartan]

He should have had to kill Dany in order to forge Lightbringer and stop the long night if Azor Ahai was true, no? The show just doesn't give a shit about the prophecy, IMO.

That is still possible... if he kills her with Longclaw, it forges into Lightbringer

Some believe The Long Night is not over, just because the NK was killed. Would be a stretch, but based on how this season has gone... nothing is impossible.

 

[MileHighSpartan]

 

[brooky03]

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Lmao

 

[sdave]

Any chance Jon just says f it, I am going back north of the wall to join the wildlings?

Yes, I’m expecting that.

Leave Danny and Sansa to bicker

 

[sdave]

REmarries? Did they ever... unmarry? Is there divorce in the Seven Kingdoms?

Not consummated, means marriage was not valid

 

[brooky03]

BTW, seriously... what does everything think happens with Bronn? Tell me he doesn't kill Tyrion. That would be dumb as ****.

There'd be no reason for him to kill Tyrion. The writers probably just forgot about him.

 

[Toast.]

There'd be no reason for him to kill Tyrion. The writers probably just forgot about him.

both of his scenes in this season have been dumb as hell.

 

[TheDude1]

There'd be no reason for him to kill Tyrion. The writers probably just forgot about him.

You think he is done? No way. I think he comes back.

 

[boilerzz]

Can't believe the series finale is 3 days away. Good thing I bookmarked that scene where Drogo is tapping Dany doggie style.

#GottaHaveFondMemories

 

[Global Havok]

You think he is done? No way. I think he comes back.

He is done, IMO. His entire story this season was useless.

 

[brooky03]

You think he is done? No way. I think he comes back.

I hope he does, but they way they've let story lines fall flat or get rushed to a crappy ending doesn't give me a lot of hope.

 

[boilerzz]

Just watched The Dirt on Netflix and I was halfway thru before realizing it was Ramsay fvcking Bolton playing Mick Mars.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Just watched The Dirt on Netflix and I was halfway thru before realizing it was Ramsay fvcking Bolton playing Mick Mars.

Same. I kept thinking....I know that guy from somewhere, but I'm from the pre-internet age and refused to look it up. Finally it dawned on me. It bothered the **** out of me until then.

 

[bMORE607]

This thing is going to end like a Michael Crichton book isn’t it.