...and I'd rather have 'old' titles for my team, with the ability to add more, than ZERO titles.
On this day 16 years ago Kentucky and Tennessee
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Looky here in one of her older post, she wants to use the all time head to head advantage but when it comes to UK she just likes the “Here and now”😂😂😂
Bingo!!!! Been saying this for years about her!
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Your arrogance knows no bounds does it? I would not have thought of you as an identity politics kinda of guy, but the evidence is there (me, as a UT fan
) Your inability to explain how UK's past titles will aid them in attaining new ones shows your lack of grip on reality.
You’re full of shit! You have said many times “if you’re not first you’re last” and “Getting to the final four and losing is a failure”. Do you not get that people have seen you post this stuff over and over??? I promise you I’m not the only one that remembers you saying all that.
Also what about the “here and now” and the “I time frame from when Barnes got to Tennessee”? You said that’s what you had to go by because he and Cal was the current coaches and nothing before that mattered so now that Pope is here why are you still throwing up what happened Cals last few years at UK??? I’ll wait anxiously for your reply!!😘
Bingo again!!!
Game over!!! She really has no clue how dumb she sounds trying to down UK when Tennessee in the last 6 years has its 2nd (behind Pearl) best coach ever and has had some of its better teams ever along with what many UT fans call the best player ever (DK) at UT and has absolutely shit to show for it. At best you split with UK or get swept. How the hell does she think UT is the king of college basketball?😂😂😂😂
Success can go to some people's heads.... especially when it's 'new'.
Still won't help you with a title, right? Why won't you just admit it or try to refute it? This is really point, set, match.
You've lost your mind. Blue Blood programs are exactly that because of how often they are contenders, even favorites for NCAA titles in the vast majority of college basketball seasons that have been played and for the successes they have achieved. For you to keep trying to dismiss that is just futile.
I've not lost my mind, you've lost your ability to support your rhetoric. I'm not dismissing old wins, I am dismissing the relevance they have for winning in the present and future. That is pretty clear.
But it will help you! You don’t never get this from recruits because UT has no history or tradition but have you never heard a recruit say “yea I know all about UK, KU, UNc and Duke because of the tradition and history”. It’s real Deller!
She has none of that so she don’t get it.
We are talking about past success helping future teams with success. Your babbling is so off point. You appear to have difficulty staying on point.
Of course it helps win titles...sustained success and multiple titles helps attract the best players. With NIL, it is now no longer the only attraction, but still plays a big part.
The better players a team has, the more likely they are to have success in March. Doesn't guarantee titles, but it is an added advantage to those programs to put them in a better position to win titles.
I would much rather recruit the best players by showing them a trophy case full of hardware with an NIL package then have an empty trophy case with an NIL package.
But that is just me.
Players are driven by money (NIL) and PT and not by a dusty trophy from their grandfather’s day.
Who said anything about a trophy from their grandfather's day?
UK has numerous trophies spanning across eight decades.
Why hasn't UT does anything of note, ever, in college basketball? What is the reason for that?
Why is UK, Duke, UNC, KU, UCLA, UConn, etc. consistently and historically good in college basketball?
Why is Bama, OSU, ND, Mich, Oklahoma, etc. consistently and historically good in college football?
Why is it always the same teams, generally speaking, that have the best chance/opportunity to win the title each year?
It was a metaphor for success years before the athlete played. So, in a sense, you did.
Players don't care about decades ago, they care about now.
UK hasn't been "good" in years.
They pay tons of money for their teams tOSU 20 million and Saban was a generational coach.
Teams vary year to year. How long has it been since San Francisco Dons won? Bama, Auburn and UT have a better chance than UK and they did last year too.
Don’t you know the answer to that, Silly??? It’s because UT never cared about basketball until Barnes got there right Della????😂
UK hasn’t been good in years! Wanna look back at UT since 2019??? Not very impressive for a team you act like is the standard.
2019 Lost in the sweet 16
2020 wouldn’t have made the tourney
2021 Lost in the first round
2022 Lost in the second round
2023 Lost in sweet 16
2024 Lost in elite 8 (still no final fours)
You can't blame Della for thinking that being a top program historically means nothing in today's game. Just look at Tennessee football, they haven't done anything significant this century.
Even though your response to Nick makes no sense, I'll answer it.
UT and others have made the investment to win it. Vols built TBA and then hired Barnes, bama upgraded Coleman Col. and hired Oats and the Barners built their arena and hired Pearl
UK has always been about CBB at the expense of other sports, but others have increased the competition.
Of course teams vary year to year. That isn't the point being discussed.
I am talking about why there is a handful of teams in both college basketball and football that have sustained, historical success, not just a couple good years or 1-2 titles.
UK was really good in 2020 (won the SEC), 2022 (was a two seed and blew out KU and UNC), and 2024 (was a three seed). Those were all really good teams, two of which fell flat on their face in the postseason because of an inept coach that is no longer around.
Guess what, UK is really good again this year and is a top 5/10 team. So when you say UK hasn't been "good" in a while, you lose credibility.
And no, UT or Bama do not have a better chance than UK does this year. That is a foolish statement to make when looking at all three teams body of work, thus far. I wouldn't be foolish to say UK has a better chance than those two teams.
I'm using your initial term. good/great. You guys are loose with your terminology so you have to expect me to follow suit.
UT has a better record and better rank than UK, so they do. Maybe, you and bama are tied with Aubie a solid pick over UK.
Then explain how distant past wins helps a team of today. Simple question you have avoided multiple times. Wash, rinse and repeat.
And what did that get them? A first round beatdown. I never claimed that UK was worth a shit in football. They have never and will never be. SMU and Indiana made the playoff too. That's how much of a joke it is. 😂
It gained us a playoff berth. I know you can be a bit aloof at times, but the tone of the conversation has been a bit UT vs UK. Got to get my shots in, Kev., but that of course has no bearing on the affection I hold for you.
I think they will adjust the playoffs.
Not to be rude, but who cares, really.
It's like tooting your horn that UT made the Sweet 16 only to get blown out and show that they didn't belong.
They way you and other UT fans talk about the football program would make others think UT is one of the best programs of all time.
To be honest, UT football is exponentially closer to irrelevance then they are a powerhouse. They are a Peyton Manning away from doing squat, outside the 1951 championship.
At least UK basketball has eight championships and 17 FFs across five coaches and eight decades. UT football pales in comparison.
Then quit being rude, I didn't bring up UT football, Kev did. Take it up with him.
You say no one cares about football and then you proceed to talk CFB. Do you want to talk CFB?
Correct. My point was if Manning didn't exist, the groundwork for UTs only championship in the last 70 years would not have been laid.
As I re-read, it didn't really come across that way.
No, you took a shot at UK football, to which I am reminding you that UT fans always like to talk about what a powerful football program they have, yet they are closer to historical irrelevance then they are a historical power.
Unlike UK basketball.
That was my point.