Best team to never make it to final 4 and beyond. 2010 Kentucky

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  1. schoonerwest

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    Bottom line is 2012 Indiana was not on anybody’s radar for the Final Four. Your statement was one from a homer who overrates them in hindsight.
     
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    My statement is no different than your statement, dude. Kansas has choked historically in the NCAAT. Its why you only have three titles. And to say Indiana wasn't on anyones radar in 2012, is an uneducated statement.

    2012 Odds to win NCAAT:

    Here is the complete list of odds to win the 2012 NCAA tournament:

    Kentucky 2/1
    North Carolina 6/1
    Ohio State 8/1
    Michigan State 10/1
    Syracuse 12/1
    Kansas 12/1
    Missouri 12/1
    Duke 20/1
    Marquette 30/1
    Louisville 30/1
    Florida State 40/1
    Baylor 40/1
    Vanderbilt 40/1
    Wichita State 40/1
    Georgetown 50/1
    Wisconsin 60/1
    Indiana 60/1

    In other words, IU was the 10th best bet, to win the title.
    That team was playing really good basketball to close the year----Won 9 of 11. Had wins over the # 1 and #2 teams that year: UK and OSU. Seeing how they played UK in the SW 16, I don't think its being a homer to say had they been anywhere but that region, that they could have/would have, went to the FF. I mean dude, 2 of the 4 teams in the FF, Indiana beat: OSU and UK..

    Is it a given? Of course not. Kansas proves that almost every year...Laughing
     
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    You can throw all the numbers you want at me but it won’t change the fact that they were a dark horse to make the Final Four. To even mention them ITT is an insult to all of the #1 seeds who never made the Final Four. 2012 Indiana probably wouldn’t even make a top 100 list of teams who missed the Final Four since 1985.
     
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    Keep moving the goal post, eventually you'll get to where you wanna be..Laughing
     
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    I’m just adding onto my point about how undeserving that Indiana team is to be included ITT. I know that’s like a top 3 season for you since the early 1990’s but that doesn’t mean they were really good.
     
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    15 final fours ain’t too shabby for a team that loses in the 2nd round every time they’re good.
     
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    No its not. But it should be a ton more, with the teams/seeding you guys have had. It ain't my fault you guys are known for losing to mid-majors, in the NCAAT. And that's exactly my point. NCAAT is a crap shoot. A "luck of the draw". Where you go, and who's in your region, is just as important to your seed. I mean, this year for IU---seen as anywhere from a 9 to an 11. Well, I'd much rather had been a 10 or an 11. Avoid the 1 seed in the 2nd round. Same applies with Indiana in 2012. That team was playing really well. And it showed against UK. That night, I don't think anyone but Kentucky, beats Indiana. Its not a homer take. Its a take where you see how a team was playing. And that team was playing very good baskertball. Which is why I believe they are one of the better teams, not to get to a FF. That team was good.
     
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    Won 27 games....Beat #1, #2 and # 5 teams that year. Had 2 wins over the Final FOur field: UK and OSU. Won 9 of their last 11 games. Was rated 9th in Kenpom...AdjO was 4th...Ranked 13th in final poll. 5 of their 9 losses were to Top 10 Kenpom teams: Wisconsin(2x's), MSU, UK and OSU. Another loss was to Top 20 Michigan.

    Indiana was a really good team. Don't be mad at me b/c the team IU beat, and competed with(UK), dog walked your ass in the final...Laughing
     
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    To be fair UK won by single digits vs KU, not double- and I think it was like a 5 point game with 4 mins to go...
     
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    Kentucky led that game by 14 at half. Biggest lead was 16. Kansas led twice---2-0, and 5-3. Lead never got under 10, until 3:50 remained (59-51). KU did cut the lead to 5, 62-57, with 1:30 left. But UK ended the game 5-2. UK controlled that game for 36 minutes. But I guess Self was right----KU just ran out of time..Laughing

    As for IU/UK----For one, IU beat then earlier, 73-72. In the rematch, that game was fun. IU trailed 50-47 at halftime....UK didn't go up double digits until 9:40 was left. IU cut the lead to 5, 82-77, with a little over 5 to play.

    In other words, Ihough the final was 12, IU was much more competitive...Much more.
     
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    Lol at being convinced that resume would’ve taken them to the Final Four in any other region.

    Damn. I feel really bad for you Borden. Indiana is so awful that you think that resume above, a resume that is a top 3 year for Indiana in your entire adult life, is one that should be mentioned with some of the other greats who missed the Final Four. I’m not joking when I say they might not even be a top 100 team this decade.

    And to top it off you’re doing such an awful job trying to build them up that you are doing whatever it takes to tear KU down (that doesn’t work on me). You even implied that I shouldn’t be upset that Kansas made it to the national finals because Indiana did better against Kentucky in December. That’s sad, man.
     
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    Speaking of the IU/UK game.., did you all know Crean married into the Harbaugh family? I think they mentioned that during that game. SmokinSmile
     
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    So no 2 seeds, either?
     
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    I think the biggest lead was actually 20 in the first half. I never felt threatened by Kansas that game tbh. The only reason the score was close is cal went to stall ball with 10 minutes left and Kansas starting getting the underdog whistle. Even then I never thought for a second UK was going to lose. Just the far superior team.

    The IU game is the game I always think about being the closest even though it was a 12 point win. We also hit like 35-37 free throws. Crean started fouling with 2 minutes left lol. Good thing that team could shoot free throws. But we never could seem to get separation from them.
     
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    We can add #2 seeds if you want. They’d deserve to be in over 2012 Indiana as well. There’s a lot of them.
     
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    I really don't get why you get so agitated.... Its like you take it personal. Why? I mean you are Gil, with just more intelligence. I'm not trying to tear Kansas down. I wouldn't even be talking about KU if you didn't come in here with your chest all puffed out. Comments like, "Top 3 year for Indiana in my life time", is so Gil. It really is. In my lifetime---games I can recall, IU has won 2 titles....One runner-up, and been to 4, Final Fours. You make waaay to many statements based on emotion.

    Don't feel bad for me. I am fine. My life doesn't revolve around what Indiana does, or does not do. I made a comment that I believe. I think that 2012 IU team for one, was underseeded. Thought they should have been a 3, if not better. AS for that resume you poke fun at---Ok. I guess? Had 3 wins over Top 5 teams....Top 10 in Kenpom...Top 4 offensively. Won 27 games...I mean, what is so bad about that?
     
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    Borden is literally the only person in the world who looks back a few years later and thinks a 4 seed would’ve made the Final Four if they hadn’t gotten the draw that they got.

    Laughing
     
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    I know---Kansas alone has about 5 or 6 of them...
     
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    Could be. Who knows. I think that IU team was really good. Shot 27% from three....UK hit 35-37 from the line. Yet, with 4 minutes to go, we were within 5 of what some argue is one of the best teams of all-time. I'd like our chances vs MSU, UNC or Syracuse, much more than THAT 2012 UK team. I mean, dude----it ain't that "mind-boggling".
     
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    It’s impossible to get under my skin on here. I’m saying I feel bad for you because you are going to great lengths to defend a team that nobody thinks would’ve gone to the Final Four in another region. I’m shit talking. I learned a long time ago to not take things personally on here, especially when it’s about Kansas. I go after you because you haven’t figured that out yet. That’s all.
     
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    Bunch of weirdo's....All of them.
     
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    In that year it could’ve happened. To put them up there though with 1997 Kansas, 2002 Duke, 2011 Ohio State and many many other great teams is ludicrous. That’s my point. They don’t deserve to be mentioned ITT.
     
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    You feel bad for me, because I am going to great lengths to defend a team......Yet, here you are, going to great lengths not defending them. I mean, whats the difference? I take nothing personally on here. I love this place. Its easy to get people riled up---Like, well, you. I knew 1005 when I typed 2012 Indiana,you would come running. You always do. Its funny. I mean, its like fishing in a barrel with some of you.
     
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    So, KU was within 5 with 1:30 left (IIRC, a three rimmed out that would have cut it to two), while Indiana cut the lead to 5 with over 5 to play and lost by more points. Yet they were much more competitive? Seems like a stretch.
     
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    Hahaha!

    You aren’t trolling anybody!

    Heh. Nice trying to save yourself though.
     
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    Just b/c I think IU was one of the best teams not to make a FF, doesn't mean I think they are more deserving, or should be mentioned with said teams above. I don't. I just think the 2012 IU team was a really good team. One of the better I have seen that did not make a FF. Two top 5 NBA picks....Zeller/Oladipo. I mean, I don't see the crziness you are calling for here.
     
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    And to circle back around to my OP, this is something only an Indiana fan would say. It’s ok. It’s a homer take. We all have them. It’s just fun to call people out when they do them. That’s all.
     
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    Ummm, we weren't down 16 at the half----Or 10+ for 18 minutes of the 2nd half. YHou guys trailed that game by double digits for like 22 minutes; Down 10 from the 8 min mark of the 1st half, until the 4 minute mark of the 2nd half.

    Great, you had a 3 rim out....So did IU....Wide-open look by Watford that would've cut the laed to 3, with 4 minutes to go. I mean, are you really arguing this?

    Kansas trailed UK by as many as 19. Led twice, 2-0 and 5-3. Trailed by double digits for more than half the game. Never got the lead under 10 intil like 4 minutes remained. On the other hand, IU had multiple leads....led by 6 at one point. Only trailed by 3 at half time. Didn't fall behind by DD until late....Then got within 5, with 5 to go. Only to lose by 12, b/c they had to foul.

    I mean, is this real?
     
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    Okie doke. Pretty sure had I said , well, pic a year when KU was a 2 seed, 33 wins, then lost to a directional school, you'd been like---"Ahh, hell yeah--loved that team."..You arguing this tells me you are a stat guy. You see "4 seed" and immediately disregard anything. Even though we argue on here on the time about teams getting the shaft(seeding). IMO that 2012 team was better than a 4 seed. I though they got shafted with that seed, and then being in UK's region.
    In has nothing to do with being a fan of Indiana. It has to do with that team being pretty darn good. And BTW, that 2012-13 team was basically the same team from 2012.
     
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    Never said i was trolling. I just knew you;d come. And well.............................
    And no, I'm not trolling. I think that IU was really good. It's my opinion.
     
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    Haha. You didn’t say that thinking I would come in here to refute it. Hahaha
     
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    In '10 Kansas was #1 and the tournament's top seed ahead of Kentucky before they were upset by Northern Iowa.

    WV team that beat UK was top 10 the entire season and won the Big East tournament just before the NCAAs. And that was in the Big East's heyday, a little different than the SEC.

    WV was 2 seed and 30-6 before beating 1 UK. Cal said after it was a game good enough for the national championship. It was the tournament's only 1-2 meeting in a regional final. Huggs was 8-1 vs Cal after that Elite 8 game. I give that collection of UK talent its props, but that WV team was significantly better than most might remember. In other words, it wasn't as utterly shocking as it is pegged, say as was N Iowa's win over the #1 team.
     
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    100% I did. Yo always do. Anytime I mention IU, in terms of being good, history, etc, etc...You come a calling. Every single time.
     
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    No, you didn’t. And no I always don’t. You talk about Indiana all the time. Usually I poke fun at Indiana and Indiana fans respond to me. Don’t make it seem like I follow you around.

    That’s a bad look, Borden.
     
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    You are putting way to much stock into a system that is severely flawed. And you know this. A teams seed isn't always indicative of how good, and or how bad they are. Shit in 2016, Indiana went 15-3 in Big 10,won the Big 10, and was a 4-seed. Big 10 that year had 5, Top 25 teams, led by #2 MSU. Got 7 teams in the NCAAT. But then, in 2012, IU finished 5th....Again, Big 10 had 5 Top 25 teams. 6 teams in the NCAAT. Iu was a 4 seed.

    Its a flawed system that you are relying on. How about trying your eyes?
     
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    Believe what you want. But I mean, look where you are, and what you arguing. I never said you follow me around. I don't think that. Never said that. I said---"When it comes to Indiana, and things of this nature......Read better, my friend.
     
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    Sorry for ruining your topic, OP.

    Blame the corona...
     
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    Seems like a silly thing to argue about, for one. Kentucky controlled both games. But since we are, you left out something fairly important. No Anthony Davis for the the last 14 minutes of the first half? No wonder they kept it close for awhile. KU had almost 40 minutes of Davis shutting down the paint. And still managed to be closer late in the game.
     
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    Thank you guys for the envy but as I’ve told other young kids that post on this board, the best team doesn’t always win. You’ll learn this as you get older!
     
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