What surprises me more than Roy retiring is how UNc fans have said “hell with family, let’s hire somebody good”. I thought the UNc thing was “Family”?
Roy Williams Retiring?
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Those that don't understand this, are seriously missing out.
Damn that’s funny.
UNC can basically take any coach they want. The direction they go will be interesting.
Gotta be nice knowing that Fran is safe
They are recognizing that years of inbreeding is not a good thing necessarily. They need to look to go outside the family, but should look for somebody with ties to another blue blood. Say somebody that played PG at Kansas and also has experience building a stable program.
He also never lost in the 2nd Round as a 1 seed, like Roy (twice) or Self. And K has a better track record of advancing to the Sweet 16 than Kansas.
Sweet 16's since 1980-81:
Coach K: 25 out of 35, 71.4%
Kansas: 22 out of 36, 61.1%
Self: 10 out of 17, 58.8%
If we stay in the family and it turns out to be the right call then I’ll be very happy. But to date, results have been...mixed.
Yea....I'd probably go with the best available no matter where you find the guy. (or girl for all the liberal muffins around here).
I’m for hiring within the family for non blue blood or elite programs. But when it comes to the top of the top, going anything other than best candidate available is asking for trouble.
Is this a down time for up and coming coaches? Especially in the UNC and Duke family?
Who is worthy of UNC?
Who is worthy of UNC?
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
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That's what happens when you don't let Iowa make the Final Four to play for a national championship.......
Roy looked old and tired this season. Good choice. College BB will miss him.
You think that losing to a 15 or a 14 in the first round is better than losing to an 8 in the 2nd?
KU and the great one have each missed the Sweet Sixteen 9 times as a 1-3 seed. And I'm guessing that Roy has a lower choke rate than either. If a Duke fan wants to brag about closing the deal more often, fine, but to pretend like he's immune to choking is laughable.
Don't be silly. What broke him was losing to Clemson at home to end the streak.
There are only two 'family' guys that should even be options. Miller and Stack, both for different reasons. Again, they should be options. I'm not extremely high on either at this point.
Hiring Hubert would be an epic fail. He can't even do what he is supposed to as an assistant IMO.
Holtmann is my number one option but we'll see.
Hiring Hubert would be an epic fail. He can't even do what he is supposed to as an assistant IMO.
Holtmann is my number one option but we'll see.
No one is immune to choking. Given a larger sample size, everyone is going to lose at some point in the early rounds. All I'm saying, is K's great teams have never lost to a middle of the pack team in the first weekend like Roy or Self. 14 for 14. That 2012 team wasn't anything special. We were down a starter and Lehigh clearly had the best player on the court, a guy who is averaging north of 24 ppg in the NBA.
Fair point...although the timeline is a little weird since it covers 4 KU coaches and just K. Which reminds me, damn K has been at Duke forever.
As a counterpoint, there are probably a couple other things worth considering (keeping the same timeline):
Missed Tourneys
Duke: 5 (81, 82, 83, 95, 21)
KU: 3 (82, 83, 89)
First Round Losses (note: top 4 seeds had byes until 1985 so a round of 32 loss in that window is a first round loss for a top 4 seed...at least that’s how I ran the numbers):
Duke: 5 (84, 96, 07, 12, 14)
KU: 2 (04, 05)
So covering the last 39 tourneys held (81-current) percentage of making it to the second game of the tourney:
Duke: 29/39 .743
Kansas: 34/39 .871
I mentioned Sweet 16s because that's what Flagger originally referenced, getting past the 2nd round. I'll concede that Kansas has performed better in the first Round. Although I do think it's weird that you're lumping 1984 in with a 1st Round game. Here's another way to look at the first two rounds:
Round of 64, 1981-Present
Kansas: 35-2, 94.6%
Duke: 30-4, 88.2%
Round of 32, 1981-Present
Kansas: 23-12, 65.7%
Duke: 25-6, 80.6%
Combined
Kansas: 58-14, 80.6%
Duke: 55-10, 84.6%
So while Kansas is slightly better in the 1st Round, they're significantly worse in the Round of 32. Combined, the edge still goes to Duke. Obviously both schools perform really well in the tournament. Duke and Kansas, just like everyone else has lost some early ones. But overall, Duke has been slightly more consistent.
So speaking facts is racism, this is funny.
No, tell us more about black people being inferior when it comes to intelligence and leading.
I am dying to hear your facts
I suppose when a program is a consistent high seeded and that program loses in a single elimination tournament it can be said that the team choked...what great program does not have several upsets in the dance? Kansas has the most ncaa tourney wins of any program since 2000 so I guess they choke but also win more than anyone else?
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