Poll: Should Brandon Miller be Suspended

[I am stupid]

My understanding is Miller brought Miles’ gun to Miles. It wasn’t Miller’s gun and Miller wasn’t involved after that.

I don’t know what code of conduct would prohibit this.

Think of this from a legal/jury perspective. What would a reasonable person do? If you get a text saying people are acting tough or whatever and ask you to bring a gun would a reasonable person bring it? Would a reasonable person park their car along with another friend to "block" in the victim? Also text the guy back saying the gun is there and its loaded?

The only reasonable thing he did from the articles I have read is after doing all that he got himself and his GF away from the shooting... which is good since his car got shot. I'm stupid, but it certainly seems like he knew what was about to happen and helped make it happen by bringing the gun and parking where he did. IDK how he didn't get charged with something unless they are waiting for the shooter to get convicted first.

 

[boilerzz]

My understanding is Miller brought Miles’ gun to Miles. It wasn’t Miller’s gun and Miller wasn’t involved after that.

I don’t know what code of conduct would prohibit this.

So...the circumstance around the ask and the result shouldn't matter to you at all? Interesting.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Not as backwards as punishing a person for a crime he hasn't been accused of. Why would someone choose to do that? Oats comments were insensitive, but why should a player be punished for a coach not handling a question well? Enlighten me.

What's worse, making an innocent person sit out some games until it's fully known they did nothing wrong. OR, letting a guilty person play even though it's not known they are guilty yet?

 

[della]

Soooo, the people that are outraged that someone close to a horrific event is getting off seemingly scott free and those people have no morals? Got it!

Being close to horrific event is quite different than being responsible for a horrific. Yeah, it's a lack of morals to want someone punished when they are not even a suspect in a crime. Got that?

 

[Boilermaker03]

It is not as simple as that. I don't think anyone thinks that the shooting was plan or premeditated, am I correct on that? If I am, then Miles is no more guilty that if you passed your buddy a steak knife and the next day he killed someone with it.

Miles is either guilty of murder or he is an accomplish to a murder and to my knowledge the police/DA do not think he is guilty, so why does he deserve to be punished exactly?

Miles? The guy that owned the gun, was a part of the altercation, and is currently charged with capitol murder?

 

[brooky03]

Think of this from a legal/jury perspective. What would a reasonable person do? If you get a text saying people are acting tough or whatever and ask you to bring a gun would a reasonable person bring it? Would a reasonable person park their car along with another friend to "block" in the victim? Also text the guy back saying the gun is there and its loaded?

The only reasonable thing he did from the articles I have read is after doing all that he got himself and his GF away from the shooting... which is good since his car got shot. I'm stupid, but it certainly seems like he knew what was about to happen and helped make it happen by bringing the gun and parking where he did. IDK how he didn't get charged with something unless they are waiting for the shooter to get convicted first.

A reasonable person would bring a friend’s gun to that friend if asked. I haven’t heard what was detailed in the texts other than the gun being requested. Short of a text explicitly saying my friend wanted to shoot somebody, I wouldn’t hesitate to bring it to them. It’s not mine.

If he blocked in the victim, that is cause for concern. That’s the point where you’d have to prove some knowledge of the intent of the confrontation. Tough to prove but worth investigating. Edit: it sounds like he was parked and then the victim showed up and parked behind him. I don’t think that would count as boxing the victim in.

 

[della]

Miles? The guy that owned the gun, was a part of the altercation, and is currently charged with capitol murder?

Miller

 

[brooky03]

So...the circumstance around the ask and the result shouldn't matter to you at all? Interesting.

From what I’ve read, it doesn’t appear likely that Miller had any knowledge or reason to believe a crime was going to be committed.

Maybe more will come out.

 

[Boilermaker03]

This is from his attorney. He didn't know what was going to happen. He didn't touch or see the gun. He didn't block the victim's car. Unless there is damning information from a dashcam or text messages, I seriously doubt anything happens to him.

Yes, this is from a lawyer. Who will do everything they can to make their client look as innocent as possible. They claim they didn't talk about the gun being there, yet the text from Miles to Miller and the lack of surprise of a gun being in his car suggests that he did know Miles carries/carried a gun. Maybe Miller didn't have to talk about it that night because Miles always goes out with a gun. That information would change the narrative a lot if true.

It would be hard to prove Miller knew Miles had intended to use the gun, however, you don't ask for a gun after you've been threatened and not intend to use it in one form or another.

Doesn't anyone also find it odd that Miller seems to have no issue with what is going on around him. He seems to play just fine as if he didn't experience this. The rest of his team seems to be affected by it more than he is. Seems cold to me.

 

[Boilermaker03]

It's possible that the witnesses are well aware of his situation and aren't willing to snitch on a future millionaire.

The one text message from Miles indicated that trouble was brewing and he needed his gun - presumably for safety. There's no evidence, as of now, that Miller knew anything more than that. If Miller knew more than his lawyer published in that letter, then I suspect we'll find out through dash cam or text messages. But, it would be foolish to preemptively suspend someone without evidence of a wrongdoing.

That's exactly the opposite of what Purdue would do. You don't play until it's 100% certain you're clear.

 

[boilerzz]

From what I’ve read, it doesn’t appear likely that Miller had any knowledge or reason to believe a crime was going to be committed.

Maybe more will come out.

"I need my joint a n****r rl jus got fakin!"

Do you know what this means?

 

[brooky03]

"I need my joint a n****r rl jus got fakin!"

Do you know what this means?

I don’t speak jive.


On a serious note, it sounds like he was beefing with somebody and wanted his gun. There are multiple legal reasons why somebody would want to be armed during/after getting into a confrontation with somebody.

 

[I am stupid]

"I need my joint a n****r rl jus got fakin!"

Do you know what this means?

I(the person sending the text) need(urgent want) my joint(according to police "his gun") Nword hard R rl(real life) jus got fakin!(just got caught fakin[urban dictionary-When a person uses words in an agressive manner with no intention or ability to back them up.])


For those who have no idea what some of that meant.

 

[AuHoosier420]

I hope Brandon Miller shatters his Achilles

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

This is from his attorney. He didn't know what was going to happen. He didn't touch or see the gun. He didn't block the victim's car. Unless there is damning information from a dashcam or text messages, I seriously doubt anything happens to him.

Folks I am old school. I owned a pistol when I started college in 1964. If I had taken that pistol to school my dad would have killed me by beating me over the head with the stupid pistol just for taking it to college.

No damned college student needs to take a pistol to college and then drive around with it.

He should never see a basketball court again in an Alabama uniform.

This is just pure insanity.

 

[brooky03]

Folks I am old school. I owned a pistol when I started college in 1964. If I had taken that pistol to school my dad would have killed me by beating me over the head with the stupid pistol just for taking it to college.

No damned college student needs to take a pistol to college and then drive around with it.

He should never see a basketball court again in an Alabama uniform.

This is just pure insanity.

Whether or not college students should own guns and be in possession of them while enrolled in school is moot. They have a legal right to own firearms. No code of conduct or contract should (arguably, even could) take that right away.

 

[GhostOf301]

So have people educated themselves on the situation, or are they still alleging that Miller provided Miles the gun?

 

[AuHoosier420]

So have people educated themselves on the situation, or are they still alleging that Miller provided Miles the gun?

You are believing word for word what his attorney says? The whole situation is fishy as ****

 

[GhostOf301]

You are believing word for word what his attorney says? The whole situation is fishy as ****

I don't have a reason not to believe Miller's account more than I do to believe it. I base my opinions around the fact that the investigators say he was not involved in a crime and that he is listed as a witness, not a suspect or an accessory.

We're talking about a 19/20 year old who wasn't involved in the altercation. Was already in route to Miles when he received the text, and likely never handled the gun to begin with. People are acting like Miller was chilling at home, got a phone call to bring a loaded gun and rushed out at 1 AM to deliver said gun.

It really doesn't sound that fishy to me. It's been over a month, sounds like prosecutors have put the pieces together pretty well.

I agree with whoever said that Alabama probably should have suspended him back when it first happened, but why is everyone so up in arms now? What would be the point in waiting to see that he was not involved and then suspending him?

 

[AuHoosier420]

I don't have a reason not to believe Miller's account more than I do to believe it. I base my opinions around the fact that the investigators say he was not involved in a crime and that he is listed as a witness, not a suspect or an accessory.

We're talking about a 19/20 year old who wasn't involved in the altercation. Was already in route to Miles when he received the text, and likely never handled the gun to begin with. People are acting like Miller was chilling at home, got a phone call to bring a loaded gun and rushed out at 1 AM to deliver said gun.

It really doesn't sound that fishy to me. It's been over a month, sounds like prosecutors have put the pieces together pretty well.

I agree with whoever said that Alabama probably should have suspended him back when it first happened, but why is everyone so up in arms now? What would be the point in waiting to see that he was not involved and then suspending him?

I again don’t buy that he didn’t know a gun was in his car

 

[GhostOf301]

I again don’t buy that he didn’t know a gun was in his car

Say he did know. I don't believe that I claimed he didn't. But let's say he did. How is that relevant? He was already on his way back to Miles when he received the text, that honestly, he may or may not had read to that point. Bringing someone something that belongs to them, is not supplying them with it. Also, the crime scene came to him, he didn't drive to the crime scene. Something that no one really talks about in this situation. He didn't deliver a gun to a crime scene.

 

[brooky03]

I again don’t buy that he didn’t know a gun was in his car

I don’t think there’s a narrative that Miller didn’t know Miles’ gun was in his car. It’s just that Miller was A) already on his way or at least planning to pick Miles up (maybe true, maybe not. No reason to think it’s untrue right now). B) knew the gun was in the car and that Miles wanted it, but never handled it.

 

[AuHoosier420]

Say he did know. I don't believe that I claimed he didn't. But let's say he did. How is that relevant? He was already on his way back to Miles when he received the text, that honestly, he may or may not had read to that point. Bringing someone something that belongs to them, is not supplying them with it. Also, the crime scene came to him, he didn't drive to the crime scene. Something that no one really talks about in this situation. He didn't deliver a gun to a crime scene.

Again only his attorney says he was on his way back also. You do know what a defense attorney job is right? What will you say during the civil trial when Brandon ends up settling with her family? Her family will be suing him and I guarantee it never sees a court room when they do

 

[brooky03]

Again only his attorney says he was on his way back also. You do know what a defense attorney job is right? What will you say during the civil trial when Brandon ends up settling with her family? Her family will be suing him and I guarantee it never sees a court room when they do

Settling out of court is often the preferable route even for innocent people, if they can afford it. Settling a civil suit is a poor indicator of guilt.

 

[GhostOf301]

Again only his attorney says he was on his way back also. You do know what a defense attorney job is right? What will you say during the civil trial when Brandon ends up settling with her family? Her family will be suing him and I guarantee it never sees a court room when they do

Stop talking about his attorney. I said I don't have a reason not to believe Miller's account more than I do to believe it. I also trust that if the prosecutors believed there was a way to charge Miller, they would. Instead, they consider him a witness.

 

[AuHoosier420]

Settling out of court is often the preferable route even for innocent people, if they can afford it. Settling a civil suit is a poor indicator of guilt.

I am never said it was an indicator.

 

[AuHoosier420]

Stop talking about his attorney. I said I don't have a reason not to believe Miller's account more than I do to believe it. I also trust that if the prosecutors believed there was a way to charge Miller, they would. Instead, they consider him a witness.

Yet you keep going with what his attorney said

 

[GhostOf301]

Yet you keep going with what his attorney said

I am going with What Miller's statements are and the actions of the prosecutor. So are you saying that his attorney came up with all of that?

I noticed that you are avoiding actual context and sticking with your opinion based on little knowledge while ignoring what might be more of a logical explanation. I get it. You're an Auburn football fan. You want to see their program punished even if it is in basketball. Which is in a different conference than your basketball team.

 

[Afamu]

I think your analysis or lack thereof is stupid. If the murderer had borrowed his car and then run someone over should the kid be charged with a crime? It is the same thing, but you are just fixated on the gun.

The kid said he needed his gun. He brought the gun. Someone was murdered. Your woke liberal side is screaming on this one.

 

[della]

The kid said he needed his gun. He brought the gun. Someone was murdered. Your woke liberal side is screaming on this one.

My woke liberal side? You want to explain that?

 

[GhostOf301]

The kid said he needed his gun. He brought the gun. Someone was murdered. Your woke liberal side is screaming on this one.

Lazy and simple minded takes like this is why we have a court of law and not a court of dumbass opinions.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Whether or not college students should own guns and be in possession of them while enrolled in school is moot. They have a legal right to own firearms. No code of conduct or contract should (arguably, even could) take that right away.

Oh so you want it to be the wild west?

I lived in rural Kentucky and was raised with guns, hunting, target practice etc.; however, I would never consider taking them with me to college.

My dorm would not allow you to have a gun. You could not carry on campus.

Where did you go to school? Did you carry heat?

 

[brooky03]

Oh so you want it to be the wild west?

I lived in rural Kentucky and was raised with guns, hunting, target practice etc.; however, I would never consider taking them with me to college.

My dorm would not allow you to have a gun. You could not carry on campus.

Where did you go to school? Did you carry heat?

None of this occurred on campus. And it’s possible they live off campus.

 

[AuHoosier420]

I am going with What Miller's statements are and the actions of the prosecutor. So are you saying that his attorney came up with all of that?

I noticed that you are avoiding actual context and sticking with your opinion based on little knowledge while ignoring what might be more of a logical explanation. I get it. You're an Auburn football fan. You want to see their program punished even if it is in basketball. Which is in a different conference than your basketball team.

Huh? Your last paragraph makes zero sense. The prosecutor is an Alabama grad also. Guessing you hadn’t frequented Tuscaloosa much to understand what athletes get way with there

 

[GhostOf301]

So we're going with the conspiracy route where cops and DAs get together to cover for a freshman basketball player at a football school in order to not charge him with accessory to a crime. Got it.

 

[AuHoosier420]

So we're going with the conspiracy route where cops and DAs get together to cover for a freshman basketball player at a football school in order to not charge him with accessory to a crime. Got it.

Yes. Thanks for confirming you are pretty naive on how law enforcement operates in Tuscaloosa in regards to star players for Bama. I hope Miller shatters his damn Achilles

 

[GhostOf301]

It's funny when paranoia gets in the way of rational thinking.

 

[AuHoosier420]

It's funny when paranoia gets in the way of rational thinking.

This from the guy that doesn’t know th history of the that town with athletes

 

[GhostOf301]

I don't see the irony.

 

[I am stupid]

The whole discussion is just opinion based so far. We've only gotten small parts from each side. We would have to see the court trial which will be a while to have a solid opinion. While Miller isn't charged, his involvement will be brought up a lot.


All we have is some facts without the explanations or reasoning. Fact is his car blocked in the victims vehicle with another friend of theirs blocking the other side.

His attorney says it was just a coincidence because they pulled up behind him. That's possible. We don't really know so everyone is just assuming one way or another.

Did he know bringing the gun back could lead to the shooting? We will never know. I just know it's dumb to bring a gun to drunk friends(at least the shooter) who are arguing with another group of people.