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Place to put my Nonsense Thread.

As I think about this a little more, I’m no tree-hugger, but the climate change stuff really does bug me. Stalling renewable energy progress for the sake of keeping coal mining jobs around a little longer is batshit crazy. Give the coal miners some stimulus money and education opportunities to learn how to work natural gas plants or build an Elon Musk gigafactory or 4.
 
I’m mostly indifferent about state’s rights. Some states can’t get out of their own way. When they encroach on what I think are fundamental human rights (the right to decide if you want to grow what is effectively a parasite in your body up to the point the organism gains consciousness that it even exists in the world), I have a problem with state’s rights. When they enact civil forfeiture laws, I have a problem with state’s rights. When they criminalize teachers saying x, y, z in a classroom, I have a problem with state’s rights.


Then don't live in that state. Who the fvck are you to tell them what to do from a 1000s miles away?

Go live there, then you have my ear
 
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As I think about this a little more, I’m no tree-hugger, but the climate change stuff really does bug me. Stalling renewable energy progress for the sake of keeping coal mining jobs around a little longer is batshit crazy. Give the coal miners some stimulus money and education opportunities to learn how to work natural gas plants or build an Elon Musk gigafactory or 4.


Right. Don't come in swinging hot. Change is delicate.
 
Wealthy individuals and Fortune 500 companies have basically had a free ride for far too long, imo. When your annual return is beating your effective tax rate, I’d say you need to be taxed more. Crazy, I know.

“But if you tax them more, they’ll care less about making money.” The person who has dedicated their life to making money is going to give up on making money?

“Well, they won’t create jobs.” Job creation is linked to profit before taxes. You add jobs when it’s profitable to do so. Taxes are assessed after salaries expense. Taxes have dick all to do with job creation.

Wealthy people and companies are worse at putting money in the pockets of working class people than the government is. OMG Communism!! If my tax rate is dropped 5%, that’s 5% more money in my pocket. If my company’s tax rate is cut 5%, that’s not making its way down to me.
 
Have you guys heard Elon Musk’s BS tax rate that he’s been throwing around for a few months now? I don’t remember the exact number but he keeps claiming his tax rate will be over 50%… with a straight face. Dude, no it’s not. Stop whining because you had to sell some stock options before you wanted to. I’m pretty sure you’re worth more than a continent or two.
 
Have you guys heard Elon Musk’s BS tax rate that he’s been throwing around for a few months now? I don’t remember the exact number but he keeps claiming his tax rate will be over 50%… with a straight face. Dude, no it’s not. Stop whining because you had to sell some stock options before you wanted to. I’m pretty sure you’re worth more than a continent or two.


I think south America and north America will beat China.

I don't like the idea of their lack of individualism

Jobs need to be filled and our county can grow without slave labor.

Let's protect the workers. Farmers use these illegals and throw them away.

Trust me, I live in Iowa.

Both needs can be meet with humanity, while making the world better. But a system needs to be in place. Otherwise the rich that dont deserve keep winning.
 
The problem is you can’t give an inch. When you go above and beyond condemning the riots, the requirement is then that you have to call for an end to the peaceful protests. So you have 6,000 people marching in the street without violence or property damage. Then you have 100 or so (maybe from the protests, maybe not) who are criminals, who come out at night and set fires and break windows and steal shit. The request from the ‘other side’ at that point is more militant policing of the protests from the start or an end to the protests altogether. They won’t de-link the two.

I tend to be flippant, so perhaps I am rationalizing the riots. There were somewhere between 9,000 and 11,000 BLM demonstrations. About 700 had some degree of violence. The last time I put a number on the riots, hail got his panties in a wad, but we could say two dozen cities saw riots. Two dozen riots
caused about $3MM damage a piece. Millions of people were involved in the protests, tens of thousands involved in riots.

I guess what I’m getting to is what’s the end game? Using myself as the example, I opposed any and all violence, I wanted rioters caught and charged. What was the next step I was supposed to take? When I point out that the property damage was typically limited to a city block, if that, is that a problem because it’s insensitive? I’m a numbers guy; when I point out that $1bn in damage across that many incidents and that many cities and that many people really isn’t as much money as suggested, is that an insensitive thing, too? I’m not saying the riots were right or damaging property is nothing. I’m saying it’s not a catastrophic event no the level of the world watching our Capitol building stormed by lunatics, encouraged by the President of the United States of America. All eyes are on America always. Other countries see protests and riots; most don’t see the building that houses their legislative branch overrun. Then there are the deaths. A dozen or so, again across that many incidents and that many people. Tragic. Since we’re comparing two tragedies, one saw one person die per demonstration. The other saw .001 die per demonstration. I shouldn’t point that out?

It got to the point that I couldn’t call a protest a protest and a riot a riot.
Last I saw, over 40 people were killed due to violence at protests. But let's just say that it was "a dozen or so". What does it matter how many demonstrations it took to reach that number? Not a single person should have been killed. It doesn't matter that most demonstrations were peaceful to the people who lost loved ones, were seriously injured, lost their businesses, lost their jobs, lost their residency and were terrified for their lives. You say you're a numbers guy so that's why you look at it like this. That is ignorant as fvck. You also bring up the fact that billions of dollars is small potatoes compared to the trillions these big cities have in revenue. As if it isn't the regular citizens that lost everything in some cases. You side with criminals, so it's not surprising that you think it is the cities that were the victims, not real people.

It is completely possible to say that both incidents were terrible without having to dramatically downplay one to make the other look worse. One was really bad because of the image of it being at the capitol in a supposed effort to overthrow the government. Lol. The other was a lot of terrible images that spread across the country that had much worse outcomes for thousands of more people. One is a sensationalized fictional event, the other was thousands of people destroying lives over a false narrative cooked up by divisive politicians and the complicit media. Neither should have ever happened. Both were bad images for our country.
 
W wasn’t great and Obama was very good. Trump was the worst of my lifetime and I have it on good authority he’s firmly in the bottom 20% all-time. Biden is old and can’t speak well; he might join Trump down there.

Anyway, the point is that Republican leadership has not exactly inspired confidence during my years with awareness of politics. I liked Mitt Romney. The Republicans need to find another Mitt.

Biden seems like he might suck but he’s not Trump. That’s enough, unfortunately. Personally, Dem policy is likely to put more money in my pocket and improve my quality of life more so than Republican policy. I don’t really care that much if they decide to fly rainbow flags or decide there are 84 genders or teach American history through the lens of racism. That crap is inconsequential. It’s better than stripping women’s rights, treating everybody foreign like a terrorist and deciding it’s preferable to have people starve in the streets than to obtain public assistance because a minority abuse it.

When I hear Republican senators like Cruz, Taylor Greene, and Paul speak, I get secondhand embarrassment. Luckily they’re not in consideration for President, but DeSantis is and the way he has run Florida is practically the opposite of how I’d like to see America run. Republican fear-mongering doesn’t do much for me and it often seems like that’s all they have. They used to be the party of fiscal responsibility. That hasn’t been the case in a long long time now. If they got back to running on policy that makes good economic sense, maybe they’d have something. Pretending climate change is whatever and there’s nothing we can do about it is patently dumb. Pandering to trailer park pricks (who I grew up with) is not excellent. But heaven forbid we call those meth loving angels “deplorable.”

I grew up in a Red rural county in New York. I know what the Republican base is all too well. Their opinion of themselves does not match my experiences, on the whole. We’re talking extremes; most people that anybody meets are going to be just fine. But the worst people I know personally have been and are Republicans (including the one who put his 4 month old son on top of a shotgun and pulled the trigger when the police showed up, 200 yards behind my childhood home). The best people I know have been and are Democrats, including one on the police force of the nearby city. Those are anecdotal examples not worth much, but they’re my personal anecdotes and inform my opinion.

It’s not just policy and it not just emotion. It’s both.
W wasn't great and obama was very good.....So neither were great and both were varying levels of good?

You go on to shit on republicans (which i'm not in total disagreement with), yet fail to mention the equal if not worse sh*theads on the left (pelosi, shumer, AOC, Omar).

Then you say you are okay with teaching 84 genders----which I think we all agree is total nonsense backed by no science or rational thinking. Your okay with teaching american history thru the lens of racism--how is that inconsequential? Then you act like republicans treat foreigners like terrorists and let people starve all the whilst stripping women of their rights. Where in the f*ck do you find that narrative to be remotely true?

What it says is you are okay with the leftist nonsense ( which is blatant), but have no tolerence for anything remotely similar from those opposing your political party.
 
Regardless if I agree with you or not on politics, it seems like for the most part everyone has been able to form their own opinions and values from life experiences and situations. That is a good thing. I hate the idea that parents or teachers or any kind of adult influence can push people one way or the other growing up. My parents were really good about letting me decide things for myself.

Actually to brooky's point, I grew up around so many liberals that I kind of get the same reaction towards them that he does republicans. The way they see themselves and how people see them that don't agree with them are two different things. My family is very republican for the most part, but 90 percent of the people I've met and grown close to over the years are dems. I never let it come between us, but it is interesting to see how they see themselves opposed to others.

Its also concerning that people older than me, even 30 or 40 years older, are claiming the political divide is as bad as they've ever seen it. Because most of the people had at least some experience in the 60s and 70s. Its hard to imagine things being more divided now than during the civil rights movement.
 
W wasn't great and obama was very good.....So neither were great and both were varying levels of good?

You go on to shit on republicans (which i'm not in total disagreement with), yet fail to mention the equal if not worse sh*theads on the left (pelosi, shumer, AOC, Omar).

Then you say you are okay with teaching 84 genders----which I think we all agree is total nonsense backed by no science or rational thinking. Your okay with teaching american history thru the lens of racism--how is that inconsequential? Then you act like republicans treat foreigners like terrorists and let people starve all the whilst stripping women of their rights. Where in the f*ck do you find that narrative to be remotely true?

What it says is you are okay with the leftist nonsense ( which is blatant), but have no tolerence for anything remotely similar from those opposing your political party.
Yea, that part was head scratching to me as well. He's okay teaching history through the lens of racism but it bothers him then goes on to act like republicans are stipping womens rights and treating every foreigner like a terrorist. Odd post.
 
W wasn't great and obama was very good.....So neither were great and both were varying levels of good?

You go on to shit on republicans (which i'm not in total disagreement with), yet fail to mention the equal if not worse sh*theads on the left (pelosi, shumer, AOC, Omar).

Then you say you are okay with teaching 84 genders----which I think we all agree is total nonsense backed by no science or rational thinking. Your okay with teaching american history thru the lens of racism--how is that inconsequential? Then you act like republicans treat foreigners like terrorists and let people starve all the whilst stripping women of their rights. Where in the f*ck do you find that narrative to be remotely true?

What it says is you are okay with the leftist nonsense ( which is blatant), but have no tolerence for anything remotely similar from those opposing your political party.
The allowing people to starve in the streets part was cute. Look at every liberal shithole. That's where people are starving in the streets. The left need poor people to exist. Just like they need racism to exist. They create both in order to maintain the fraudulent image that they are the party for the poor and disenfranchised. They run every election on these issues, and do nothing to honor their campaign promises.
 
Regardless if I agree with you or not on politics, it seems like for the most part everyone has been able to form their own opinions and values from life experiences and situations. That is a good thing. I hate the idea that parents or teachers or any kind of adult influence can push people one way or the other growing up. My parents were really good about letting me decide things for myself.

Actually to brooky's point, I grew up around so many liberals that I kind of get the same reaction towards them that he does republicans. The way they see themselves and how people see them that don't agree with them are two different things. My family is very republican for the most part, but 90 percent of the people I've met and grown close to over the years are dems. I never let it come between us, but it is interesting to see how they see themselves opposed to others.

Its also concerning that people older than me, even 30 or 40 years older, are claiming the political divide is as bad as they've ever seen it. Because most of the people had at least some experience in the 60s and 70s. Its hard to imagine things being more divided now than during the civil rights movement.
It takes a miserable person to allow political opinions interfere with established friendships and family relationships. I could see not engaging with new people based on extreme political views, but just because they vote differently than you should never keep you from being cordial. To be honest, the best kind of people to be around is the kind that you don't even know how they vote.
 
Last I saw, over 40 people were killed due to violence at protests. But let's just say that it was "a dozen or so". What does it matter how many demonstrations it took to reach that number? Not a single person should have been killed. It doesn't matter that most demonstrations were peaceful to the people who lost loved ones, were seriously injured, lost their businesses, lost their jobs, lost their residency and were terrified for their lives. You say you're a numbers guy so that's why you look at it like this. That is ignorant as fvck. You also bring up the fact that billions of dollars is small potatoes compared to the trillions these big cities have in revenue. As if it isn't the regular citizens that lost everything in some cases. You side with criminals, so it's not surprising that you think it is the cities that were the victims, not real people.

It is completely possible to say that both incidents were terrible without having to dramatically downplay one to make the other look worse. One was really bad because of the image of it being at the capitol in a supposed effort to overthrow the government. Lol. The other was a lot of terrible images that spread across the country that had much worse outcomes for thousands of more people. One is a sensationalized fictional event, the other was thousands of people destroying lives over a false narrative cooked up by divisive politicians and the complicit media. Neither should have ever happened. Both were bad images for our country.
And David Dorn, the retired Police Chief who was murdered. Funny, we didnt see the martyrdom we did with George Floyd. Anyone who defends Antifa and BLM is just scum in my mind. People lost their lives, businesses, homes. Yeah, but just a protest.

Please review the videos from Trumps inauguration and the summer of 2020 in front of the WH.

Then get back to us on 1/6 BS. F*ck liberals. As the great Beth Dutton said, I hope you get ass cancer.
 
This is how scary it is having the chemically imbalanced left making decisions regarding the law of the land.



this is a Supreme Court Justice lying through her teeth about children being in serious condition. Right now there are a little more than 20,000 people in serious condition with covid in the country. I am willing to bet that less than 1% are children. But they have to scare as many idiots as they can to impose their power on us.
 
This is how scary it is having the chemically imbalanced left making decisions regarding the law of the land.



this is a Supreme Court Justice lying through her teeth about children being in serious condition. Right now there are a little more than 20,000 people in serious condition with covid in the country. I am willing to bet that less than 1% are children. But they have to scare as many idiots as they can to impose their power on us
And she has Clerks doing her research for her. Sad. And they say the Right leaning judges are partisan all the time.

If the left didnt have hypocrisy, they would have nothing at all.
 
W wasn't great and obama was very good.....So neither were great and both were varying levels of good?

You go on to shit on republicans (which i'm not in total disagreement with), yet fail to mention the equal if not worse sh*theads on the left (pelosi, shumer, AOC, Omar).

Then you say you are okay with teaching 84 genders----which I think we all agree is total nonsense backed by no science or rational thinking. Your okay with teaching american history thru the lens of racism--how is that inconsequential? Then you act like republicans treat foreigners like terrorists and let people starve all the whilst stripping women of their rights. Where in the f*ck do you find that narrative to be remotely true?

What it says is you are okay with the leftist nonsense ( which is blatant), but have no tolerence for anything remotely similar from those opposing your political party.

I’m okay with the inconsequential nonsense. I’m not okay with the consequential nonsense. Pretty simple, really.
 
Yea, that part was head scratching to me as well. He's okay teaching history through the lens of racism but it bothers him then goes on to act like republicans are stipping womens rights and treating every foreigner like a terrorist. Odd post.

Sorry for reality
 
W wasn’t great and Obama was very good. Trump was the worst of my lifetime and I have it on good authority he’s firmly in the bottom 20% all-time. Biden is old and can’t speak well; he might join Trump down there.

Anyway, the point is that Republican leadership has not exactly inspired confidence during my years with awareness of politics. I liked Mitt Romney. The Republicans need to find another Mitt.

Biden seems like he might suck but he’s not Trump. That’s enough, unfortunately. Personally, Dem policy is likely to put more money in my pocket and improve my quality of life more so than Republican policy. I don’t really care that much if they decide to fly rainbow flags or decide there are 84 genders or teach American history through the lens of racism. That crap is inconsequential. It’s better than stripping women’s rights, treating everybody foreign like a terrorist and deciding it’s preferable to have people starve in the streets than to obtain public assistance because a minority abuse it.

When I hear Republican senators like Cruz, Taylor Greene, and Paul speak, I get secondhand embarrassment. Luckily they’re not in consideration for President, but DeSantis is and the way he has run Florida is practically the opposite of how I’d like to see America run. Republican fear-mongering doesn’t do much for me and it often seems like that’s all they have. They used to be the party of fiscal responsibility. That hasn’t been the case in a long long time now. If they got back to running on policy that makes good economic sense, maybe they’d have something. Pretending climate change is whatever and there’s nothing we can do about it is patently dumb. Pandering to trailer park pricks (who I grew up with) is not excellent. But heaven forbid we call those meth loving angels “deplorable.”

I grew up in a Red rural county in New York. I know what the Republican base is all too well. Their opinion of themselves does not match my experiences, on the whole. We’re talking extremes; most people that anybody meets are going to be just fine. But the worst people I know personally have been and are Republicans (including the one who put his 4 month old son on top of a shotgun and pulled the trigger when the police showed up, 200 yards behind my childhood home). The best people I know have been and are Democrats, including one on the police force of the nearby city. Those are anecdotal examples not worth much, but they’re my personal anecdotes and inform my opinion.

It’s not just policy and it not just emotion. It’s both.

“It’s better than stripping women’s rights, treating everybody foreign like a terrorist”

Okay Rachel Maddow
 
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The fact that you said you’re okay with racism throws any argument you have out the window. What a dipshit thing to say.

When did I say that? Because that’s not in the ballpark of teaching history through the lens of racism.
 

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I’m not sure you can tell the difference anymore. Seems like you decide based on your party line.
I decide based on common sense. Or my opinion of common sense. You decide based on your opinion of common sense.

That’s how that works.
 
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