I haven’t brought it up everytime Biden gets mentioned. I think I brought it up around Christmas and then today.
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I haven’t brought it up everytime Biden gets mentioned. I think I brought it up around Christmas and then today.
You have brought it up numerous times and never let it go in those threads. Regardless of how relevant it was it was simply repeating it over and over. There is zero chance that happens if things were different. Again, that has little to do with how much you would care. I am certain you do.
Hail just wants someone on the left to acknowledge how disrespectful it was to send Dr Jill and whoever Camela's husband is instead of visiting himself. @coryfly, I feel like you did so. Not sure why you are so good at avoiding being drawn into political circle talking but chose to harp on this. You're definitely more likeable than most lefties here, but you rarely take the time to call out ridiculousness like brooky being against the right of self defense or dismissing months of violence, destruction and death as just broken windows at radioshack. Seems like you choose your battles based on your political leanings. Just like you spoke against earlier.
lol, I'm not a leftie. I always vote on whatever I think will pull towards the middle. I despise extremes at all costs. Extremes, either way, are what will destroy the country.
I dislike you all the same. That is just a joke. I dislike no one really. But politically, I dislike you all the same. When something is over the top annoying I will usually chime in. Seldom will otherwise when things are political because it is pointless.
It is what is is though. This board is never going to be a place where we can reasonably discuss politics. It is just like the rest of the country in that regard. It is just place where people who lean one way outnumber the other side so try and make fun of a couple of others and bro high five each other feeling like they have a firm grasp on what it means to be an American.
So his wife already said something?
Seems whatever needed to be said was said then. Would the message change if it’s coming from Joe?
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There is my post history on Waukesha. I brought it up 2 weeks ago around Christmas when me and @UL_1986 argued about it. Then I brought it up today. All in this thread.
I've commented on it on one tMB thread that was about the attack/lack of coverage and one tMB thread someone else made about Biden not visiting.
That's me whining about it "every time Biden gets mentioned"?
Why do you think Obama would visit with families/communities of tragic events/attacks? It's a pretty common thing for presidents to do.
Joe’s too busy destroying America right now. Haven’t you heard?
Most of the victims of the Waukesha attacks were children that don't know the difference between a republican or democrat. Obama would've visited, 100%. It just doesn't make sense for Joe to ghost it outside of politics. What could possibly be the reason he sends Jill and Kamala's husband instead of visiting those kids and/or their families himself? His spokeswoman originally blamed it on lack of resources. Come on.....
I knew a girl in hs that figured out how to suck in air and do it on command.
One day, thanks to her talent and a hard plastic chair, we both got detention.
It was very hard to explain this to my parents.
I haven’t been opposed to self defense, I just think there should be a risk to your life before you get to shoot people. A gun drawn on you is a threat; an uncoordinated loon lunging toward you with your rifle is not a threat. You’re on the record that you should be allowed to shoot 14 year old disabled girls who run away with your Viagara medicine, so..
I make jokes about the “riots” because you guys like to pretend that America was burning to the ground and that a billion dollars across dozens of cities is a lot a lot. You use the riot stuff to avoid any discussion about protests (“well they all rioted, so we should have had the military busting up the protests” type shit).
Riots are bad. Both sides oppose them. Both sides oppose storming the Capitol. Storming the Capitol is exponentially worse than damage to businesses along half city blocks scattered throughout the country.
That last part is where the left needs to step up. One area at least. They condemn rioting but they also excuse it at times. There should be no mincing of words. Telling people why they should try and understand why someone would do dumb things like that isn't the play. Saying 'it is only money or a business or property' is super insulting, insensitive, and misplaced. It is the messaging. They want to kill Trump for his messaging, which is well deserved, but then won't take ownership of their own words. It's mostly the media but some politicians have dipped their toes into the justification game as well. That needs to stop.
There is a time and place to discuss why minority groups and marginalized people may be frustrated. Riding it out on the back of justifying destruction is not it. I know that more extreme people will say 'Well when?' and I get that. Basically any time that isn't saying it is ok to f stuff up in the name of justice is the when. But the party is too far gone. They have embraced the lunacy of the far left and doubt there is much turning back now.
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This girl could be my sister in laws twin, years ago.
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Sorry I can't show the face, that's my girlfriend and my wife hasn't met her yet.
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The problem is you can’t give an inch. When you go above and beyond condemning the riots, the requirement is then that you have to call for an end to the peaceful protests. So you have 6,000 people marching in the street without violence or property damage. Then you have 100 or so (maybe from the protests, maybe not) who are criminals, who come out at night and set fires and break windows and steal shit. The request from the ‘other side’ at that point is more militant policing of the protests from the start or an end to the protests altogether. They won’t de-link the two.
I tend to be flippant, so perhaps I am rationalizing the riots. There were somewhere between 9,000 and 11,000 BLM demonstrations. About 700 had some degree of violence. The last time I put a number on the riots, hail got his panties in a wad, but we could say two dozen cities saw riots. Two dozen riots
caused about $3MM damage a piece. Millions of people were involved in the protests, tens of thousands involved in riots.
I guess what I’m getting to is what’s the end game? Using myself as the example, I opposed any and all violence, I wanted rioters caught and charged. What was the next step I was supposed to take? When I point out that the property damage was typically limited to a city block, if that, is that a problem because it’s insensitive? I’m a numbers guy; when I point out that $1bn in damage across that many incidents and that many cities and that many people really isn’t as much money as suggested, is that an insensitive thing, too? I’m not saying the riots were right or damaging property is nothing. I’m saying it’s not a catastrophic event no the level of the world watching our Capitol building stormed by lunatics, encouraged by the President of the United States of America. All eyes are on America always. Other countries see protests and riots; most don’t see the building that houses their legislative branch overrun. Then there are the deaths. A dozen or so, again across that many incidents and that many people. Tragic. Since we’re comparing two tragedies, one saw one person die per demonstration. The other saw .001 die per demonstration. I shouldn’t point that out?
It got to the point that I couldn’t call a protest a protest and a riot a riot.
Nice. Accounting background myself.
Are you seeing something that makes you feel pulled to a certain political view?
W wasn’t great and Obama was very good. Trump was the worst of my lifetime and I have it on good authority he’s firmly in the bottom 20% all-time. Biden is old and can’t speak well; he might join Trump down there.
Anyway, the point is that Republican leadership has not exactly inspired confidence during my years with awareness of politics. I liked Mitt Romney. The Republicans need to find another Mitt.
Biden seems like he might suck but he’s not Trump. That’s enough, unfortunately. Personally, Dem policy is likely to put more money in my pocket and improve my quality of life more so than Republican policy. I don’t really care that much if they decide to fly rainbow flags or decide there are 84 genders or teach American history through the lens of racism. That crap is inconsequential. It’s better than stripping women’s rights, treating everybody foreign like a terrorist and deciding it’s preferable to have people starve in the streets than to obtain public assistance because a minority abuse it.
When I hear Republican senators like Cruz, Taylor Greene, and Paul speak, I get secondhand embarrassment. Luckily they’re not in consideration for President, but DeSantis is and the way he has run Florida is practically the opposite of how I’d like to see America run. Republican fear-mongering doesn’t do much for me and it often seems like that’s all they have. They used to be the party of fiscal responsibility. That hasn’t been the case in a long long time now. If they got back to running on policy that makes good economic sense, maybe they’d have something. Pretending climate change is whatever and there’s nothing we can do about it is patently dumb. Pandering to trailer park pricks (who I grew up with) is not excellent. But heaven forbid we call those meth loving angels “deplorable.”
I grew up in a Red rural county in New York. I know what the Republican base is all too well. Their opinion of themselves does not match my experiences, on the whole. We’re talking extremes; most people that anybody meets are going to be just fine. But the worst people I know personally have been and are Republicans (including the one who put his 4 month old son on top of a shotgun and pulled the trigger when the police showed up, 200 yards behind my childhood home). The best people I know have been and are Democrats, including one on the police force of the nearby city. Those are anecdotal examples not worth much, but they’re my personal anecdotes and inform my opinion.
It’s not just policy and it not just emotion. It’s both.
Real quick...read the first line, total Bush hater and his ilk, but Obama the greatest?
I thought he had a chance and then got in there and saw behind the curtain. The machine changed him.
Why do you feel he was the best? I voted for him BTW.
Reading the rest, hang on
Solid post. Don't you believe in states rights?
You come across as a federalist.
The beauty of America is we are 50 different cultures
No one place should dominate this great land.
I said he was very good, not the best or greatest.
His weakness was foreign policy, which wasn’t really that weak, imo. From my perspective, what was described as weakness by his detractors was just diplomacy.
He oversaw one of the longest periods of sustained economic recovery in US history. W’s actions after the housing crisis did help but it was Obama that got America back on its feet. It was Obama that got people back to work. His healthcare plan was an imperfect solution to a massive problem that was getting worse. What was rolled out could have been much better but it was a start, it was something. In this case, something was better than nothing. If history has taught us anything, it’s that private companies aren’t going to fix their own messes and the free-market breaks down when they run unchecked for too long. Between healthcare providers and insurance companies, the system was fundamentally broken. Trump not doing dick to build on and improve what Obama started is a big mark against him in my book. Lying over and over again that he had a plan, when he didn’t even have the outline for a plan, did not help.
Oh and Obama killed Bin Laden with his bare hands
I truly believe in my heart that America can fix all our issues and help the world. The problem? Politicians create them for power. It's a mankind disease
Happens in every society.
Not sure what the answer is, but God knows America is always moving the world forward. Sometimes in a bad way. Like war mongering for money. But look at our good. It's the best
Greed is a nasty drug
I’m mostly indifferent about state’s rights. Some states can’t get out of their own way. When they encroach on what I think are fundamental human rights (the right to decide if you want to grow what is effectively a parasite in your body up to the point the organism gains consciousness that it even exists in the world), I have a problem with state’s rights. When they enact civil forfeiture laws, I have a problem with state’s rights. When they criminalize teachers saying x, y, z in a classroom, I have a problem with state’s rights.
I do worry to a degree, if I stop and think about it, that a single significant event could unify us and get us back on track. The reason that’s worrisome is events like that are historically very bad. Like world wars. I’m pretty sure the next world war will be the last world war, and not because we will have finally figured out peace.
I saw it on Obama's face, once he got in there. The institutions are built around people that live in the government for 30 years and the rich.
He looked dejected after one year
Trump, tipped over the apple cart and is like a gambler. You know what he is going to do, but his character is low, even though he is right at times.
I think we are at a point where moral character with the combo of brains doesn't exist.
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