***Official Transfer Thread***

[dukedevilz]

Wrong all the way around
But expected

The bottom line is Harmon is an undersized guard. He wants to play in the NBA - and he knows he can't really achieve that goal if he's utilized as a two guard or combo guard. He wants to be the point guard. Might be better off staying put at OU. Goldwire shouldn't scare him away. And Porter Moser should do everything he can to retain his services, even if means handing him the keys to the corvette. I don't believe Kentucky will prioritize him, at least not as the lead guard. Initially was guessing Oregon would be a likely destination because it seemed like they were losing every guard on their team. But, Will Richardson, their primary ball-handler, is likely to return. So, that would minimize their odds a bit.

 

[Villian07]

To me a player like Sahvir Wheeler did everything he could for Georgia.
Man gave them their first triple double in history.

He said it was hard for him to watch the NCAA Tournament.
He wanted to play there.
He just wants to win. Tired of losing.

Georgia is a big name school and should be taking advantage of the portal.
But Crean is finished there and cannot take advantage of the portal.

The name of the school itself doesn't determine how the portal.is used. The coach does.
Some coaches get it while others don't.
More than that some programs have the energy while others don't.

Then he should not have committed to UGA who rarely ever makes the ncaa tournament.

It’s like a football player transferring from Louisville bc he didn’t like watching the college football playoffs from home. News flash we aren’t gonna be there regardless.

Was uga even on pace to make the tourney with number 1 pick ant Edwards 2 years ago???

 

[jhmossy]

Still pissed the wife wouldn't let me go to Vegas with you two.

Beta

Those two homos were in Vegas and didn't even give me a shout?! WTF @bignish & @jhmossy? You guys need to check out the sportsbook at Circa next time. It's legit.

It was in 2017. I remember because watching the Duke-South Carolina game with Nish was one of my favorite experiences LOL.

 

[tw3301]

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It was in 2017. I remember because watching the Duke-South Carolina game with Nish was one of my favorite experiences LOL.

yeah i remember breaking a few chairs during that game, probably a good thing I didn't go.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

The bottom line is Harmon is an undersized guard. He wants to play in the NBA - and he knows he can't really achieve that goal if he's utilized as a two guard or combo guard. He wants to be the point guard. Might be better off staying put at OU. Goldwire shouldn't scare him away. And Porter Moser should do everything he can to retain his services, even if means handing him the keys to the corvette. I don't believe Kentucky will prioritize him, at least not as the lead guard. Initially was guessing Oregon would be a likely destination because it seemed like they were losing every guard on their team. But, Will Richardson, their primary ball-handler, is likely to return. So, that would minimize their odds a bit.

Harmon hasn't heard from UK since the initial call from Lucas.


“We haven’t heard anything from Kentucky since the last time I contacted them about expressing if they have true interest to see if we can get something set up,. They were talking about trying to set something this week. The first week they talked about setting stuff up that never panned out. I reached out to them to see if they have true interest because at the end of the day we’re trying to make a decision within the next week or so. I wouldn’t be surprised if De’Vion made his decision tomorrow, but if he did, [Kentucky] wouldn’t be included because we didn’t have any fruitful discussions.

“I reached out to [Kentucky] and also asked De’Vion if he had any more conversations and he said no. So at that point, we figure that he’s not top of their list. At this point, it’s not going anywhere. We’re going on and developing relationships, so they would be behind pace with everybody else.”

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Nimari Burnett, G, Texas Tech (committed to Alabama)
Au’Diese Toney, G, Pitt (committed to Arkansas)
Chris Lykes, G, Miami (committed to Arkansas)
Stanley Umude, F, South Dakota (committed to Arkansas)
Walker Kessler, F/C, North Carolina (committed to Auburn)
Kellan Grady, G, Davidson (committed to Kentucky)
Oscar Tshiebwe, F, West Virginia(committed to Kentucky)
Xavier Pinson, G, Missouri (committed to LSU)
DJ Jeffries, F, Memphis (committed to Mississippi State)
Garrison Brooks, F/C, North Carolina (committed to Mississippi State)
Jaemyn Brakefield, F, Duke (committed to Ole Miss)
Justin Powell, G, Auburn (committed to Tennessee)
Marcus Williams, G, Wyoming (committed to Texas A&M)
Liam Robbins, C, Minnesota (committed to Vanderbilt)


Christian Bishop, F, Creighton (committed to Texas)
Timmy Allen, G/F, Utah (committed to Texas)
Micah Peavy, F, Texas Tech (committed to TCU)


Noah Locke, G, Florida (committed to Louisville)
Brady Manek, F, Oklahoma (committed to North Carolina)
Armaan Franklin, G, Indiana (committed to Virginia)


Oumar Ballo, F, Gonzaga (committed to Arizona)
Myles Johnson, F/C, Rutgers (committed to UCLA)
Boogie Ellis, G, Memphis (committed to USC)


Xavier Johnson, G, Pitt (committed to Indiana)
Khristian Lander, G, Indiana (returning to Indiana)
Fatts Russell, G, Rhode Island (committed to Maryland)
Qudus Wahab, C, Georgetown (committed to Maryland)


Matt Bradley, G, Cal (committed to San Diego State)


Earl Timberlake, G/F, Miami (committed to Memphis)


Kadary Richmond, G, Syracuse (committed to Seton Hall)

*I realize this isn't all, I just c/p from an article which ranks top transfers.

 

[BC_in_06]

Pippen jr transferring

 

[dukedevilz]

Harmon hasn't heard from UK since the initial call from Lucas.


“We haven’t heard anything from Kentucky since the last time I contacted them about expressing if they have true interest to see if we can get something set up,. They were talking about trying to set something this week. The first week they talked about setting stuff up that never panned out. I reached out to them to see if they have true interest because at the end of the day we’re trying to make a decision within the next week or so. I wouldn’t be surprised if De’Vion made his decision tomorrow, but if he did, [Kentucky] wouldn’t be included because we didn’t have any fruitful discussions.

“I reached out to [Kentucky] and also asked De’Vion if he had any more conversations and he said no. So at that point, we figure that he’s not top of their list. At this point, it’s not going anywhere. We’re going on and developing relationships, so they would be behind pace with everybody else.”

Right. So, Kentucky didn't prioritize him. Harmon wants to be the lead guard, no question. Only if UK had several misses would they even entertain that. That boat has obviously sailed. He should have plenty of options. Kansas is trying to get in this race, as well.

 

[RR30]

Really impressed with what Texas has done so far. If they add Disu and get everyone else back that's a top 10 team next year. Going from Shaka to Chris Beard is a gigantic upgrade too.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

It's gonna be funny when former teammates go against each other, so many moving parts could see somebody easily passing it to a former teammate not realizing they f'ed up

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Harmon's biggest issue is that he wants to play point guard.
At least in an offense that has a #1 PG who handles the ball the majority of the time.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Really impressed with what Texas has done so far. If they add Disu and get everyone else back that's a top 10 team next year. Going from Shaka to Chris Beard is a gigantic upgrade too.

Chris Beard is bringing in players to win this year to hit huge on the 2022 class.

Rumor is Keyonte George could be close to commiting to Texas.
George is a must get player.

 

[RR30]

Don't know how true it is but saw rumblings on the home board that Jose Alvarado might be transferring. If so that would become the best guard on the market imo, hope UK would try to get him.

 

[dukedevilz]

The bottom line is Harmon is an undersized guard. He wants to play in the NBA - and he knows he can't really achieve that goal if he's utilized as a two guard or combo guard. He wants to be the point guard. Might be better off staying put at OU. Goldwire shouldn't scare him away. And Porter Moser should do everything he can to retain his services, even if means handing him the keys to the corvette.

Harmon's biggest issue is that he wants to play point guard.
At least in an offense that has a #1 PG who handles the ball the majority of the time.

So, now you're agreeing with me? Apology accepted.

 

[Duffman81]

Mac McClung staying in Lubbock , also F U C K Chris Beard

 

[Afamu]

Mark Williams staying.

 

[bignish]

If I were ranking the top frontcourt players in 2022, pretty sure I'd have Timme and Holmgren 1 & 2, not sure on the order though. Banchero would probably be in the 3-8 range, and Williams might be anywhere from 6 i0.

Just FYI, Givony has Banchero as the #1 draft pick in 2022. Him and Holmgren are basically a wash to me as I could see either being the better player in college.

Chet's rail thin frame is a bit of a concern, I wonder how he'll deal with a large guy like Tshiebwe or Tchamwa-Tchachoua who could potentially push him around. His blocking instincts are insane though and his overall ability makes him the perfect NBA big.

A concerning development was Michigan recruit Moussa Diabate really limiting him back in February.

In a February matchup with prep school powerhouse IMG Academy, Holmgren showed some of his limitations physically while being held to 13 points on 11 field goal attempts with 5 turnovers in a 20-point loss. He was pushed around mercilessly inside the paint and contained very effectively on his perimeter drives by Michigan-bound Moussa Diabate, a top-10 recruit in his own right. Holmgren struggled to finish around the basket, couldn't get going with his jump shot (0-for-4 3-pt FG) and had a forgettable night overall, even though he still delivered some real fireworks defensively. One game does not define a player, but the level of competition Holmgren has played against in Minnesota leaves something to be desired. The pandemic has unfortunately robbed him of opportunities to showcase how his game translates against similarly sized prospects.

Banchero is built to destroy college basketball with his overall skillset though. He's grown to 6"11/250 lbs but has the ability to be a playmaker like a guard or a wing. I would project him to be as impactful as Bagley was for Duke in Year 1 if not even better due to his ability as a P&R defender.

Here's what Givony said on ESPN:

Banchero saw quite a bit of responsibility as a big playmaker with the freedom to push the ball off the defensive glass or initiate in the half court out of pick-and-roll, changing speeds powerfully out of hesitation moves with either hand. He has made marked improvement as a perimeter shooter, looking extremely comfortable making spot-up 3-pointers, pulling up when defenders go under ball screens or even executing difficult step-backs from NBA range. He lives at the free throw line due to his ability to create from the perimeter and punish smaller players inside, and shows terrific touch at the line or converting turnaround jumpers out of the post. He's also a capable passer who can find teammates on the move. Defensively, Banchero has outstanding timing as a drop defender in pick-and-roll, while also being able to rotate and make plays at the rim with verticality and much improved explosiveness.

I would rank them 1) Banchero, 2) Holmgren, 3) Timme and 4) Williams. 5 star recruits who possess good defensive instincts at major CBB programs usually take a major step forward in Year 2.

I would take Mark Williams over Michigan's Dickinson for instance in a heartbeat. I don't see Dickinson's defensive limitations being fixed in the offseason while I can see Mark really improving his offensive game over the summer to go along with his rim protection/defensive instincts.

 

[RR30]

Taking Mark Williams over Hunter Dickinson who doubled his averages is full potato. Congrats.

 

[MGC_07]

@hailtoyourvictor get in this thread. Someone said they would take Mark Williams for next season over Hunter Dickinson.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Just FYI, Givony has Banchero as the #1 draft pick in 2022. Him and Holmgren are basically a wash to me as I could see either being the better player in college.

Chet's rail thin frame is a bit of a concern, I wonder how he'll deal with a large guy like Tshiebwe or Tchamwa-Tchachoua who could potentially push him around. His blocking instincts are insane though and his overall ability makes him the perfect NBA big.

A concerning development was Michigan recruit Moussa Diabate really limiting him back in February.

In a February matchup with prep school powerhouse IMG Academy, Holmgren showed some of his limitations physically while being held to 13 points on 11 field goal attempts with 5 turnovers in a 20-point loss. He was pushed around mercilessly inside the paint and contained very effectively on his perimeter drives by Michigan-bound Moussa Diabate, a top-10 recruit in his own right. Holmgren struggled to finish around the basket, couldn't get going with his jump shot (0-for-4 3-pt FG) and had a forgettable night overall, even though he still delivered some real fireworks defensively. One game does not define a player, but the level of competition Holmgren has played against in Minnesota leaves something to be desired. The pandemic has unfortunately robbed him of opportunities to showcase how his game translates against similarly sized prospects.

Banchero is built to destroy college basketball with his overall skillset though. He's grown to 6"11/250 lbs but has the ability to be a playmaker like a guard or a wing. I would project him to be as impactful as Bagley was for Duke in Year 1 if not even better due to his ability as a P&R defender.

Here's what Givony said on ESPN:

Banchero saw quite a bit of responsibility as a big playmaker with the freedom to push the ball off the defensive glass or initiate in the half court out of pick-and-roll, changing speeds powerfully out of hesitation moves with either hand. He has made marked improvement as a perimeter shooter, looking extremely comfortable making spot-up 3-pointers, pulling up when defenders go under ball screens or even executing difficult step-backs from NBA range. He lives at the free throw line due to his ability to create from the perimeter and punish smaller players inside, and shows terrific touch at the line or converting turnaround jumpers out of the post. He's also a capable passer who can find teammates on the move. Defensively, Banchero has outstanding timing as a drop defender in pick-and-roll, while also being able to rotate and make plays at the rim with verticality and much improved explosiveness.

I would rank them 1) Banchero, 2) Holmgren, 3) Timme and 4) Williams. 5 star recruits who possess good defensive instincts at major CBB programs usually take a major step forward in Year 2.

I would take Mark Williams over Michigan's Dickinson for instance in a heartbeat. I don't see Dickinson's defensive limitations being fixed in the offseason while I can see Mark really improving his offensive game over the summer to go along with his rim protection/defensive instincts.

Defensive limitations? Dude was awesome defensively.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

@hailtoyourvictor get in this thread. Someone said they would take Mark Williams for next season over Hunter Dickinson.

That poster is really odd

 

[MGC_07]

To be clear, I think Mark Williams will be much improved and a really nice player. But I mean, Hunter Dickinson was the best player on a 1 seed last year and will be a preseason first team all american.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

@bignish what site(s) do you think give the best preseason player rankings? Follow up question: Do you think they’ll have Williams or Dickinson higher?

 

[sgrooms]

Mark Williams, the guy next to the #1 big man next year, announced he's officially returning.

 

[bignish]

Taking Mark Williams over Hunter Dickinson who doubled his averages is full potato. Congrats.

Mark barely got any playing time for most of the season so comparing season averages is meaningless.

When he did have a starting role, he averaged 16/7 with 2 blocks and his advanced stats were off the charts.

Dickinson was more college ready to start but Mark has closed the gap and has more room to grow.

Williams is listed as a 1st Round pick for the 2022 NBA Draft and Dickinson isn’t even listed in the first two rounds.

 

[bignish]

@bignish what site(s) do you think give the best preseason player rankings? Follow up question: Do you think they’ll have Williams or Dickinson higher?

They’ll probably have Dickinson higher due to stats and the longer track record of proven production and the fact that he was on a better team. That means squat as to what actually happens next year though.

I don’t see Dickinson listed on Givony’s 2 round mock for the 2022 Draft while Mark is #27.

I”ll be happy to do a friendly $100 wager on who the better player ends up being next year barring injury to either, we’d have to pick an advanced stat that we agree on though.

 

[bignish]

To be clear, I think Mark Williams will be much improved and a really nice player. But I mean, Hunter Dickinson was the best player on a 1 seed last year and will be a preseason first team all american.

Michigan was always a “sum of the parts” is greater than the whole type of squad though.

If I was forced to pick their best player, I’d say it was Livers.

Chaundee was their most consistent scorer in the tourney though, thought he should’ve gotten more run vs UCLA and he should’ve taken that last shot instead of Franz Wagner.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

They’ll probably have Dickinson higher due to stats and the longer track record of proven production and the fact that he was on a better team. That means squat as to what actually happens next year though.

I don’t see Dickinson listed on Givony’s 2 round mock for the 2022 Draft while Mark is #27.

I”ll be happy to do a friendly $100 wager on who the better player ends up being next year barring injury to either, we’d have to pick an advanced stat that we agree on though.

Well that’s why I asked what source you considered good because that would be a less biased opinion than yours or mine.

I don’t care about NBA upside or outlook. The value (or lack thereof) the NBA gives back to the basket bigs “doesn’t mean squat” for what Dickinson does in college.


I’ll make a one month avatar bet that Dickinson finishes above Williams in Kenpom’s POY rating, negated if either player misses more than 25% of their teams games.

 

[tw3301]

Taking Mark Williams over Hunter Dickinson who doubled his averages is full potato. Congrats.

Maybe, you gotta figure that Mark Williams was unplayable at the beginning of the year but our best player by the end. Big men progress differently.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Maybe, you gotta figure that Mark Williams was unplayable at the beginning of the year but our best player by the end. Big men progress differently.

But that's sort of what makes Dickinson special. He stepped in as a true freshman and scored double figures in his first 11 games and he came off the bench in 5 of those. Like MGC said, he was the #1 player on a 1 seed. He was a 2nd team All-American. He scored in double figures in 23 of 28 games including all four tournament games.

Maybe Mark Williams breaks out and is better, but Dickinson is getting slighted by the guy he's responding to.

 

[RR30]

Maybe, you gotta figure that Mark Williams was unplayable at the beginning of the year but our best player by the end. Big men progress differently.

Sure, but Dickinson was the best player on a team that was a #1 seed. Duke was a shit team all year. You wanna argue he's got more upside be my guest. But saying he's better after the years they had is a homer opinion. Small sample sizes are exactly that.

 

[Villian07]

Won’t banchero eat into Williams stats? Which I know Michigan is bringing in studs as well. And who plays the 4 and which plays the 5. Banchero/Williams seem like true 5s.

And agree with hail, mock drafts and nba careers shouldn’t have anything to do with who had the better college career/season.

 

[Afamu]

Sure, but Dickinson was the best player on a team that was a #1 seed. Duke was a shit team all year. You wanna argue he's got more upside be my guest. But saying he's better after the years they had is a homer opinion. Small sample sizes are exactly that.

You seem to struggle with individual analysis compared to team analysis.

 

[RR30]

You seem to struggle with individual analysis compared to team analysis.

You struggle with putting your shoes on in the morning please take a lap

 

[Afamu]

You struggle with putting your shoes on in the morning please take a lap

Not with my new velcro slip ons,

 

[bignish]

I’ll make a one month avatar bet that Dickinson finishes above Williams in Kenpom’s POY rating, negated if either player misses more than 25% of their teams games.

Deal!! That works for me.

 

[sgrooms]

Deal!! That works for me.

I'll be surprised if you win that bet. KP's POY rating is also weighted by the teams' rating and that player's contribution on that team compared to other players.

From an article talking about the rating:

"which players are carrying the most weight and producing the most for the nation's best teams, or which players have the most impact on their team being really good"

 

[WojoRising]

Steffon Mitchell is leaving Boston College. All-ACC Defender in the post, averaged around 10 and 7.

 

[JimboBBN]

The fact this thread is 16 pages. Man.

I have lost interest in following recruiting over the years, and now transferring is at an all time high.

I'm better off taking a look at our final roster before the season starts and watching youtube videos. I don't like the direction college basketball is going.

 

[dukedevilz]

Really excited to see Williams back for another season. I do think he has more upside than Dickinson, but as far as impact on the collegiate level next season, I'd comfortably go with the guy who was 2nd Team All-American. I think 13 points, 8 rebs, and 2 blocks are reasonable expectations for Williams. He could exceed that, of course, but I think those are realistic projections. Dickinson will be preseason 1st Team All-American by every major publication out there. Would be tough to top, IMO.