***Official B1G In-Season Thread***
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The biggest difference between Dayton and Michigan State, without question, is the fact that Dayton has only 2 losses to account for, while Michigan State has 9. If Dayton had one more loss, and MSU had one more win, it's likely that you'd be on the same seed line. You have a losing record in Quad 1 Games and you're still looking at a 4 seed. That's kind of impressive. Plus, you have a Quad 2 loss.
I think people underestimate how difficult it is to win consistently, even if you're not playing against top 50 teams every night. Dayton is 7-0 against teams in their conference that are in the top 75 of the NET. Consider the fact that Michigan State lost to Virginia Tech, and struggled to close out Georgia (ranked 87 and 83 by NET). Dayton destroyed both VT and UGA within a day of when MSU played them. Additionally, if you played 15+ games against teams outside of the the top 75, odds are you'd lose a game or two.
Buffalo was a darn good team last year. They were rewarded with a 6 seed. Won at West Virginia, Syracuse, and St.Bonaventure. But, they also had 2 sub-100 losses to justify (road games). They're going to win Quad 2 games 85-95% of the time. But if you're looking at 5-15% chance of error over the course of 15-20 games, your chances of dropping one or two games goes up significantly. So the fact that Dayton has 0 bad losses, has 0 losses in regulation, has won 18 games in a row, is 12-2 against top 100 teams, has the 4th highest scoring margin in the country, is #3 in the NET, #6 in KenPom. Yes, I think they're deserving of a #2 seed.
In regards to Louisville and MSU, I don't see much to add. MSU has 3 more losses. They're both currently on the 4 line. So yes, you are afforded a higher margin for error. And Louisville is 3-1 against the mutual opponents of Kentucky, Michigan, Virginia Tech, and Duke. Whereas MSU is 1-4 against the same teams.
Obviously we thought he’d be ready to play and he wasn’t. Will fully admit most of us were wrong on that front. But I also think about the value of a 5th year Brandon Newman versus a 1st year Armaan Franklin. Newman wouldn’t have made a big impact even with no redshirt (like Franklin) so I get why Painter did it.
His offense wasn't what kept him off the floor. It was his defense (or lack there of really). From all accounts, he really struggled with defensive concepts and Painter isn't going to play you if you can't hold your own on defense.
Armaan has played pretty well for a freshman. I’m glad he didn’t redshirt. He’s played some really good minutes. He’s also played some not so good minutes. We may not have won the game against ND if we didn’t have him. I think he’s been pretty much what we expected. I’m glad he got a lot of experience this year.
Has def had some ups and downs. I can see both sides to the whole redshirt scenario. I think about a guy like Stefanovich being a stud shooter as a 5th year senior as he wouldn't have been ready to do much his true freshman year. Same with Wheeler if he gets things turned around. Painter has mentioned in the past he wishes he had redshirted guys like Ryan Cline and Ryne Smith but to each their own.
If you think he played pretty well, that would be why we are okay with Newman redshirting while you being okay with Franklin playing.
If Newman had this statline in conference as a freshman, I'd be lamenting him not redshirting big time:
2.3 points
0.9 rebounds
0.7 assists
29.4% FG%
50% FT%
21.4% 3P%
I think that was one of the things we said was the difference between the two.
Lol, you’re such a liar. At least he was good enough to play as a freshman. I wouldn’t want to be one of those guys who thought their freshman 4*, who they claim is an elite shooter, was going to be a instant impact guy who could potentially work his way into the starting lineup as a freshman ONLY to see he’s not good enough to play on a .500 team who is looking like they’ll miss the tourney. I’d hate to be one of those guys.
Yes, he’s played pretty well for a freshman who nobody thought was going to come in and light the world on fire. Don’t think ANY IU fan here thought Franklin was going to be some immediate impact player. Most of us thought he’d provide solid backup minutes. He’s done exactly what we thought, be a solid backup for a freshman who’s played well and had some rough patches. He’s not been asked to do a ton. He basically won us the game against ND. So yeah, I’m glad he played and got the experience this year.
isaiah thompson in conference:
5.9 points
1.1 rebounds
0.5 assists
38% FG
70% FT
36.5 % 3Pt%
It begs the question, IT>Franklin??
Romeo would have been a lottery at Sam Houston St.
Hell, he was a lottery pick in spite of IU. Lmfao.
He's certainly hit his freshman wall and has seen his minutes drop. Considering he was the 4th guard on the roster that experience will most definitely be important next year when devonte leaves.
Swanigan should have been a lottery pick or at least close to it. Where is he now? Lol...
I had no idea how Newman would do and I encourage you to find a post that says otherwise.
As to the Thompson comment, those numbers are MUCH more respectable for a freshman than Franklin's. 36.5% from three would be 2nd on IU's roster.
Not sure why were using conference only. Compare their year long stats and the only thing IT is better is 3pt%, pts/g and To.
No he shouldn’t lol. He had an insane sophomore year and was still a late 1st rounder. He was never going to be a lottery guy.
And he’s playing for the Trailblazers lol.
Swanigan was never going to be a lottery pick in today's NBA. You should troll better.
Yeah, a 5* recruit and All American. Why would they ever be a lottery pick or close to it. You should try and make better excuses...
I don’t care where he is in the NBA. This is a college basketball board. I care about what he did at Purdue. And he was a 1st team All-American & Big Ten Champion.
We all know why you don’t care about the NBA. Painter doesn’t produce NBA guys. Just own it Blaire.
Is it 6pm yet? Let's get these games started. Big night tonight.
Who’s team still beats the brakes off IU’s first tournament team in 4 years. RollLaughRollLaughRollLaugh
I don’t care if he produces NBA guys. I care if he produces college basketball guys. And he does that.
To you, it was your Super Bowl. To us, it was our worst two losses this year. Can’t believe we lost twice to a .500 likely non tourney team.
Damn I tried to make a funny jab and the whole fan base makes an appearance.
My bad to the rest of the thread
My bad to the rest of the thread
I can’t believe it either, well actually I can.
RollLaughRollLaughRollLaughRollLaugh
Down years happen in college basketball if you’re not a blue blood. You should know. IU’s had like 7 of them the past 10 years. You’re an expert on down years by now.
Swanigan sophomore year:
32.5 MPG
52.7% FG
44.7% 3P
18.5 PPG
12.5 RPG
3.1 APG
There’s nothing he could’ve done that would’ve made him a lottery pick.
mostly outlandish homer takes too, I hope you're suffering as much as the rest of us.
And even in probably our worst season in 7 years we landed a borderline 5* guy lol.
and somehow you all still don’t get it’s a joke.
Indiana landed Cody after not even sniffing .500 for 3 years. What’s the point?
Purdue doesn’t recruit like IU does. Nice to see us land a guy in the 30’s when we’ve only landed 2 (now 3) in Painter’s tenure. Especially during a disappointing season.
