***Official B1G In-Season Thread***

[otte21]

I doubt Painter would redshirt him. For such an athletic elite shooter that Newman was billed as to red shirt is just odd. Wasn’t his mom having health issues? Could be a reason.

Painters quote on Newman coming into the season:
Painter on Brandon Newman: 'Very competitive, plays hard, can make threes. Just has a lot thrown at him right now as a freshman.'

It’s a case of a freshman learning the system and at the same time being behind other guys that 1) are older & know the system 2) eat up minutes at the 2/3 position, leaving a handful for Newman.

I think it speaks to what Painter believes Newman can be down the road that he doesn’t want to waste a year of Newman playing a handful of minutes here and there. There’ll be moments through the season where it’d be nice to have him though I’m sure.

The production Purdue got tonight from Proctor/Hunter helps buy into the decision as well. Plus getting Sasha back who has been ahead of Proctor/Hunter all offseason long & is the best shooter of the group will only help. I also think Nojel will play some minutes at the 2/3 spot with IT at point.

The decision to redshirt Newman was surprising to me as well but Painter’s goal has always been to get old & stay old. & this year I’m sure as hell glad they decided to redshirt Wheeler & Sasha 2 years ago even if they were good shooters that could have come off the bench.

 

[otte21]

The game Franklin had in his first game for IU reminds me of Nojel’s first game for Purdue a couple seasons ago:

Indiana 98 Western Illinois 65
Franklin: 27 minutes, 5 points (1/5 fg), 8 assists/0 turnovers, 5 rebounds

Purdue 105 SIU-Edwardsville 74
Eastern: 21 minutes, 8 points (3/4 fg), 8 assists/2 turnovers, 5 rebounds

 

[boilerzz]

Not really. What’s that say about Newman that he’s not even ready enough to play against that joke of an opponent.

All I said is Franklin seems to be more ready than Newman and your panties get all bunched up. Doesn’t mean Newman is bad. Don’t be a little bitch, lol. Calm down.

Oh, and between our scrimmage, exhibition game and now his first game, Franklin has done really well. Sorry that hurts your feelings.

It says Painter thinks Proctor, Hunter and Stefanovic are more advanced than Newman. Nothing else.

 

[boilerzz]

Dude....are you honestly going to act like for your first game ever in college you put up 8 assists 0 turnovers 5 pts and 5 rebounds and it isn't one hell of a game? It doesn't matter 2ho it's against... Most teams schedule cupcakes for their 1st opponent of the season and you rarely ever see a freshman do that in their first game.

Of course,no way in hell he's even remotely close to being that good night in and night out right now. But for one night, he turned in one of the more impressive boxscores for a true frishman in his first game that I've personally witnessed! And to make it even more impressive....he isn't a point guard at all and only had a handful of days running it in practice.

Call me crazy, but I think that trying to act like it's no big deal because of the opponent is way beneath you.

I didn’t talk down about Franklin. I said it’s stupid to compare him to Newman based on that game. Big difference.

 

[SNU0821]

I didn’t talk down about Franklin. I said it’s stupid to compare him to Newman based on that game. Big difference.

Why are you so upset I said Franklin appears more ready to contribute? If Newman was ready, I’m guessing Painter wouldn’t redshirt him. I didn’t say Franklin was better. Big difference.


Your shit posting is starting to rival Johnhoosierr.

 

[SNU0821]

Hey it was said. These are always fun to revisit. I’m sure now it’ll backfire on me but here they are.

Excellent finds. Gotta love revisiting some of those comments. HAHAHAHAHA!

 

[pig1960]

Typical Purdue fan. Taking one game and acting like it’s going to happen all year. Boy y’all never learn, do you?

Franklin with 7 assists and 0 turnovers.

Armaan with 8 assists no turnovers not bad for a freshman.

Love what I’ve seen from him. He’s definitely going to have a role on this team even when Green gets back. Between him, RP, Al and Green, we’ve got a solid backcourt.

5 points and 5 rebounds as well.

Why are you so upset I said Franklin appears more ready to contribute? If Newman was ready, I’m guessing Painter wouldn’t redshirt him. I didn’t say Franklin was better. Big difference.


Your shit posting is starting to rival Johnhoosierr.

 

[boilerzz]

Why are you so upset I said Franklin appears more ready to contribute? If Newman was ready, I’m guessing Painter wouldn’t redshirt him. I didn’t say Franklin was better. Big difference.


Your shit posting is starting to rival Johnhoosierr.

I’m not upset. I just think it’s a poor frame of reference, their situations are completely different.

 

[Da_Bull]

Yeah one not good enough to even play isnt a very good frame of reference.

 

[proudopete]

He just put up 8 assists and no turnovers in his first game. Seems he’s more prepared to play than Newman.

I guess it “seems” that way or maybe it “seems” IU isn’t as loaded again guard as Purdue.

All in the perspective I suppose.

 

[SNU0821]

I guess it “seems” that way or maybe it “seems” IU isn’t as loaded again guard as Purdue.

All in the perspective I suppose.

I don’t think either team is “loaded” at the guard position. I also don’t think one backcourt is head and shoulders better than the other. I can’t tell you who’s got the better backcourt at this point.

 

[SNU0821]

I’m not upset. I just think it’s a poor frame of reference, their situations are completely different.

It sure seemed like you were upset by your response. And yes, the fact he can’t even see ANY time on the court without any proven guards (shooters), is an important piece of information.

 

[B-Westy]

It sure seemed like you were upset by your response. And yes, the fact he can’t even see ANY time on the court without any proven guards (shooters), is an important piece of information.

What does “proven” even mean? All that matters is Painter seeing these guys every day at practice. They’re proven to the head coach who sees them shooting every day. That’s what matters.

 

[SNU0821]

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We’ve seen him play three games so far in the scrimmage, exhibition and the first game. As a true freshman, it sure is encouraging to see him do well so far.

How’s Newman doing with that “elite” shooting ability. Surely he’ll see some PT considering your shooters returning aren’t anything to write home about. Hell, IU returns statistically better shooters than Purdue.

 

[pig1960]

I’m thinking Newman would not redshirt at Fort Wayne. It’s kinda cute that several posters here are questioning Painter’s decision in general and doubling down by questioning Newman’s talent which to this point Is largely unknown to anyone outside the program.

 

[B-Westy]

We’ve seen him play three games so far in the scrimmage, exhibition and the first game. As a true freshman, it sure is encouraging to see him do well so far.

How’s Newman doing with that “elite” shooting ability. Surely he’ll see some PT considering your shooters returning aren’t anything to write home about. Hell, IU returns statistically better shooters than Purdue.

Take my bet. Coward.

 

[MGC_07]

MSU insiders are saying Hauser may be given half a year of eligibility. Plays after the first semester is over. Would be huge to get him for Big Ten play, but more importantly, March.

 

[theetommyt]

I’m thinking Newman would not redshirt at Fort Wayne. It’s kinda cute that several posters here are questioning Painter’s decision in general and doubling down by questioning Newman’s talent which to this point Is largely unknown to anyone outside the program.

No one is questioning Painter's decision. What they are questioning is which freshman is ready to play big ten basketball. The two are linked because of recruiting and choosing different schools. Franklin is ready to play (IU coaching staff even has talked about Franklin bring ahead of where they thought he'd be) and Newman isn't. I think that's a surprise to most of us.

 

[SNU0821]

Take my bet. Coward.

Sure I’m in

 

[dukedevilz]

Always impossible to know how some of these grad transfers will transition into a big-time program. Illinois had Mark Alstork two years ago (Wright State transfer), and he was more than underwhelming in his one season. Jaaron Simmons was All-MAC at Ohio, but he struggled to find minutes at Michigan. It appears that Jahaad Proctor isn't going to repeat what those guys did. He's a legitimate impactful player.

 

[boiler1987]

No one is questioning Painter's decision. What they are questioning is which freshman is ready to play big ten basketball. The two are linked because of recruiting and choosing different schools. Franklin is ready to play (IU coaching staff even has talked about Franklin bring ahead of where they thought he'd be) and Newman isn't. I think that's a surprise to most of us.

I’ll admit I’m surprised. But I still have high hopes on Newman no doubt.

 

[SNU0821]

I’ll admit I’m surprised. But I still have high hopes on Newman no doubt.

And that’s totally fair. I take it in a similar manner to Anderson. He may have benefitted from a red shirt year. H me wasn’t ready to contribute last year. That doesn’t mean he won’t be a solid player in time.

 

[boilerzz]

I don’t think either team is “loaded” at the guard position. I also don’t think one backcourt is head and shoulders better than the other. I can’t tell you who’s got the better backcourt at this point.

Hey, you said something that makes sense. Congrats!!

 

[boilerzz]

It sure seemed like you were upset by your response. And yes, the fact he can’t even see ANY time on the court without any proven guards (shooters), is an important piece of information.

Nothing said on a message board upsets me. Why would it?

 

[proudopete]

No one is questioning Painter's decision. What they are questioning is which freshman is ready to play big ten basketball. The two are linked because of recruiting and choosing different schools. Franklin is ready to play (IU coaching staff even has talked about Franklin bring ahead of where they thought he'd be) and Newman isn't. I think that's a surprise to most of us.

Once again, I think the “ready to play” idea is faulty. Would Franklin play ahead of Sasha, Hunter and Proctor? No, he wouldn’t and that has zero to do with being “ready to play” or not. Purdue has guys in front of Newman who have experience. He is redshirting to save eligibility in a year he likely wouldn’t see much playing time.

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn’t IU thin on guards even with Franklin?

Seems to be quite silly and a stretch to say one is better than the other after one game in the books but, I can see why IU fans would want to capitalize off of any positive appearances.

 

[boilerzz]

Once again, I think the “ready to play” idea is faulty. Would Franklin play ahead of Sasha, Hunter and Proctor? No

We don't really know that either. Let's not do the same thing IU fans ITT are doing and make assumptions after one game about two completely different situations.

 

[B-Westy]

Sure I’m in

Everyone is witness to this bet being accepted.

I’m taking Purdue shooting a better 3 point % than IU this year. SNU taking IU. $100 to charity.

@boilerzz @Toast. @otte21 @Jaycg15 @hailtoyourvictor @klize17 @IUfanBorden

we’ll revisit this post in March. GL.

 

[pig1960]

No one is questioning Painter's decision. What they are questioning is which freshman is ready to play big ten basketball. The two are linked because of recruiting and choosing different schools. Franklin is ready to play (IU coaching staff even has talked about Franklin bring ahead of where they thought he'd be) and Newman isn't. I think that's a surprise to most of us.

The point some have tried to make is it’s a fools errand to equate the situations the two freshman are in as they certainly appear to be quite different. I don’t recall a lot of Purdue posters expecting a large role for Newman - maybe he would become a solid contributor maybe not. He’s in a position where Purdue appears to have the most depth...Sasha, Proctor, Hunter, Wheeler. I’d prefer he not waste a year getting spot minutes. FTR I’ve never said a bad word about either player and don’t believe many if any Purdue posters that frequent this board have either. The usual trolls have appeared to take potshots at Newman’s talent based on Franklin playing at IU and Newman not playing at Purdue. Its pretty silly position to take.

 

[SNU0821]

Once again, I think the “ready to play” idea is faulty. Would Franklin play ahead of Sasha, Hunter and Proctor? No, he wouldn’t and that has zero to do with being “ready to play” or not. Purdue has guys in front of Newman who have experience. He is redshirting to save eligibility in a year he likely wouldn’t see much playing time.

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn’t IU thin on guards even with Franklin?

Seems to be quite silly and a stretch to say one is better than the other after one game in the books but, I can see why IU fans would want to capitalize off of any positive appearances.

Lol. This is standard Purdue fanboy nonsense. How in the world can you make that determination Franklin wouldn’t play over any of the three guys you mentioned?

 

[theetommyt]

Once again, I think the “ready to play” idea is faulty. Would Franklin play ahead of Sasha, Hunter and Proctor? No, he wouldn’t and that has zero to do with being “ready to play” or not. Purdue has guys in front of Newman who have experience. He is redshirting to save eligibility in a year he likely wouldn’t see much playing time.

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn’t IU thin on guards even with Franklin?

Seems to be quite silly and a stretch to say one is better than the other after one game in the books but, I can see why IU fans would want to capitalize off of any positive appearances.

Yes I think Franklin would get minutes at Purdue this season.

 

[proudopete]

We don't really know that either. Let's not do the same thing IU fans ITT are doing and make assumptions after one game about two completely different situations.

Well, it’s possible Franklin would play ahead if one of those experienced players yet very doubtful on a Painter coached team.
The bottom line is IU has four guards, Phinnese, Green, Durham and Franklin. With Green out, Franklin is getting more minutes. The question I have is how much will Franklin play once Green returns?
Personally I couldn’t care less which player is better. Painter has earned my trust and I am sure both players will be fan favorites in time.

 

[theetommyt]

We don't really know that either. Let's not do the same thing IU fans ITT are doing and make assumptions after one game about two completely different situations.

I want to like this, but I'm also insulted

 

[proudopete]

Lol. This is standard Purdue fanboy nonsense. How in the world can you make that determination Franklin wouldn’t play over any of the three guys you mentioned?

Well it’s common sense. Proctor is a senior and had a pretty good outing last night. He can score on all three levels and defend. Hunter also has a good outing last night and is in his second year. He also came on strong at the end of the season last year, especially defensively. Finally Sasha is in his third year with the program ana is a good shooter who can defend and has the size to play some 3 at times.

How about you explain to me why Franklin would play before any of those three guys?

 

[SNU0821]

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn’t IU thin on guards even with Franklin?

No more than Purdue. Green, Durham, Phinisee and Franklin. Anderson May play some guard spot as well, but I’m guessing that’s really limited.

 

[klize17]

So is 8 assists 0 turnovers a bad game for a freshman (or anyone) because that’s literally all I said.

 

[hawkit3113]

I can't wait to see PU vs UT and IL vs AZ. Those should tell us alot about those teams.

Oh and RollLaughat Wisconsin.

 

[SNU0821]

Well it’s common sense. Proctor is a senior and had a pretty good outing last night. He can score on all three levels and defend. Hunter also has a good outing last night and is in his second year. He also came on strong at the end of the season last year, especially defensively. Finally Sasha is in his third year with the program ana is a good shooter who can defend and has the size to play some 3 at times.

How about you explain to me why Franklin would play before any of those three guys?

Nobody here is talking about playing before any of those guys. Would he contribute? Based on what we’ve seen from his first three games, I’d say yes. The whole point is Franklin is clearly ready to contribute this year. Newman obviously isn’t. And I don’t think it has anything to do with how “good” your guards are and everything to do with where Newman is in his development to be ready to contribute in college.

Oh, and I don’t think you have a clue how any of those guys are going to do this year. You’re making more assumptions than any IU fan is on this topic.

 

[proudopete]

No more than Purdue. Green, Durham, Phinisee and Franklin. Anderson May play some guard spot as well, but I’m guessing that’s really limited.

Purdue has Nojel, Sasha, Hunter, Proctor, Thompson. Four experienced players and one freshman. That’s five to four and a lot more experienced on the Purdue side. Green and Phinisee have experience but Durham has very little and Franklin has none.
Are you saying IU has an equal backcourt to Purdue? It seems that way and of course sounds kind of fan boyish.

 

[boiler1987]

Yes I think Franklin would get minutes at Purdue this season.

I don’t doubt he’d get minutes. But if he would only get 5-10 minutes a game, is it worth it to burn a year versus redshirt? That’s the question.

 

[pig1960]

So is 8 assists 0 turnovers a bad game for a freshman (or anyone) because that’s literally all I said.

Nope it’s a good line. It wasn’t the purpose of my post to downgrade that performance but expose the hypocrisy of the resident troll.