So given all that, you must be supremely confident that IU will finish ahead of Purdue in the Big Ten standings then?
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I wouldn't think anyone should be confident, yet. I don’t think it’s a crazy thought, though. I’m guessing they’re in that next group of teams behind MSU, OSU and Maryland. After those three it’s really a toss up.
This team will lose some early. Hopefully the roles will be defined by Christmas.
Jesus man. @B1G_Fan. These are worse takes than mine a couple years back.
Nowhere yesterday did I say anything about IU vs. Purdue where "it isn't close". I said IU could use help in the back court but that I liked RP. What is wrong with what I said?
Yeah I certainly can see all of that. Struggle to fit into roles/positions and be better by B10 season. Y’all have good pieces, just inexperienced.
I know I've mentioned him several times, but Andre Curbelo is officially announcing Friday. He's one of those guys that all basketball fans will enjoy playing. Just plays so smooth.
What has Eastern shown? Are you saying Eastern is clearly better than RP? Is Proctor better than Green? Is Sasha better than Al Durham? Use your words.
Nope, not at all. I think Purdue has the easier schedule this year, and Painter has proven to find a way to finish in the top 4. I do think Purdue needs to find a go to guy, and I’m not sure I see one on their roster. It certainly won’t be Eastern.
I like both players, but boiling down the reason you'd take RP over Eastern to just shooting ignores every single way that Eastern heavily impacts the game. Eastern is an elite defender, good rebounder, gets to the FT line a ton, assists well. Phinisee didn't shoot well last season, isn't as good of a rebounder or defender, but he's a great distributor. Eastern's eFG and TS% were actually both higher than Phinisee's (again I think RP takes a step forward this season on that front).
Eastern is better defensively, but RP isn’t any slouch on defense. Clearly RP is the better shooter.
RP is a better shooter, passer, scorer, and younger.
Eastern is a better rebounder and slightly better defender.
As the big question for both teams is “where will the scoring come from”, I’m going to take the better offensive PG all day every day.
Oh I don't really care about Phinisee. Just asking about Eastern because it would seem weird for people to like Eastern but trash players because they can't shoot.
I’m talking about IU’s collective back court. Not super skilled & not great shooters. Eastern makes up for his lack of shooting in a ton of different areas.
& my whole argument here is that IU could recruit better at the guard position. Saying their backcourt is solid yet they haven’t done anything substantial on the court the past two years doesn’t make sense to me.
But don't forget, they're chalk full of shooters this year. Just like we saw their 5-23 performance putting up a whopping 50 points.
It doesn't make sense to you because you just completely leave out that our three guards last year all missed time/games. That's going to disrupt things, especially for a freshman like RP.
But I get it. You struggle with the simplest of concepts, so it's par for the course.
Oh, okay. The way that post read made it seem like if a guard can't shoot then it doesn't really matter what else they bring to the table.
This will be a good season on the IU/PU battlefront. I think IU is probably underrated by most this season and PU slightly overrated. They're both teams that are going to rely heavily on their defense, so I expect those matchups to be be knockdown drag out contests. Will be fun to watch if you're a B10 fan.
I think better passer is debatable. I think they’re pretty comparable. And I wouldn’t agree Eastern is only a slightly better defender. He can guard the 1-3 (possibly even some 4’s). RP is a solid defender but Eastern is DPOY-caliber IMO. As far as RP being a “better scorer,” not sure what you’re referencing there. Does he take more jump shots? Obviously. But Eastern gets plenty of baskets taking it to the rim and off of offensive rebounds.
I think the point is Eastern is better defensively but RP is better offensively. I don't think that's a stretch, at all.
But I’d still argue the “better offensively” point though. It’s obvious RP is a better shooter and that won’t change. But if you look at other offensive metrics, Eastern has been better in several advanced metrics on offense.
I 100% agree with this. Assuming both teams don't experience any injuries to key players, I would assume they're going to be in a similar position in the B10 standings. I just don't see it from Purdue to be top four (hard to considering they lost so much production and are replacing that with unproven players) and I don't see IU finishing ninth or tenth. I could see both teams finishing in the 5-8 range separated by a game or two. It wouldn't surprise me to see either team finish ahead of the other.
Offensive metrics can really be boosted by playing good offensive players. Glenn Robinson III led the entire country in offensive efficiency in 2012/13 but got most of his points off assists or missed buckets. He couldn't really dribble or create his own shot but that didn't matter much on a team with Trey Burke, Tim Hardaway Jr., and Nik Stauskas.
Why am I not surprised that its Snu using a meaningless scrimmage that none of us saw to make a point that may or may not be valid?
I think he's making fun of the Purdue posters who trolled about Michigan only beating Detroit by 7.
Not even close. Hell, I've said it many times. I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to try to validate your existence with stupid takes about Purdue. #SoWeakMinded
^^^boilerzz^^^ reading my obvious trolling post
Rob averaged more assists in less minutes as a true freshman. The biggest leaps for players are generally their freshman to sophomore years.
Eastern can guard more positions, because he’s really a SF and not a PG. Eastern is a slightly better defender when guarding the PG position.
Imo, Rob is a better scorer, because he can score in more ways. Most of Eastern’s points come from offensive rebounds or at the free throw line. He very seldom takes his man off the dribble driving to the basket, and he obviously never shoots the 3.
I'd have to give Purdue's front court the nod. I'm still in a wait and see approach with Brunk, DD is still gimping around. TJD is the one wildcard and we've yet to see what he can offer. Back court I have to go with Indiana, they have the experience back and with good shooting numbers. At this time i'd give more of an edge to Purdue's front court than i would Indiana's backcourt over Purdue's. The wings to me is whats up in the air, Wheeler looks promising but who else? Hunter is still a question mark and Smith can go up and down like a yoyo. All of these with a caveat of being 100% healthy. All groups bring and do different things for their respective teams so to me thats the fun part of watching and discerning between the two.
Needed to repost this one last time. Let's go Nats! Rutgers next. BEWARE league.
https://www.bigtengeeks.com/indiana-19-20-season-preview/
Nice article here that sums up my general view of the Hoosiers this year.
Jay’s comment above sums up my general view of the two teams. I’ll add that people are only giving Purdue the benefit of the doubt because of Painter. That’s fair and all, but the players win games. Does he have enough to keep his recent trend going? I don’t necessarily think so.
Was this supposed to be a 19-20 preview or a 18-19 review? Also Durham was a 35% 3pt shooter and Green was 41%. Its nitpicking but its a weird article by Josh.