Yeah hopefully he doesn’t see the need to try and play hero-ball as much next year. Although he showed what he’s capable of vs OSU in the big ten tourney
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I see this view. Purdue's offense is more tailored to 3 pt shooting, Painter recruits for it, they've proven that over the years. I do see a bit of a dip next year, you almost have to with Carsen and Cline leaving and having two bigs in Haarms and Williams that i think should have the ball in their hands a lot.
I think he's saying, as is typical with most, more volume and his numbers should dip. I don't think anyone expects him to shoot 41% shooting a Carsen Edwards quantity.
Yes just would like to see more before he is deemed “elite”
If he is still shooting a 40 clip with a hell of a lot more shots in a couple years let’s talk
Yeah him shooting 50% from 3 over the last 8 games while avg 6 3's attempted a game was something to give us a little hope.
Idk I put him into the Mathias/Cline type of shooters and they actually got better % with more volume. Point is though even if he dips to a 38% on a high volume per game he’ll still be considered an elite shooter by opposing defenses which opens the floor spacing.
I would never call him a good shooter.
He's a scorer. Occasionally he does it efficiently, most of times he chucks. He's a higher-end version of Marshall Henderson.
Jesus Christ that’s a bad take.
Right but that’s an if, we don’t know right now. He was recruited to be an elite shooter, let’s see if he becomes one next year.
Look, he had a terrific tourney.
So I probably should have given him more credit. I can admit that.
However, pre-tourney what I said was totally apt.
Still a terrible take. Dude literally set an ncaa record for made threes in the tournament without even getting to the final 4. Idk why opposing teams just didn’t leave him wide open then from three all season instead of giving him so much attention. It’s like saying Lou Williams isn’t a good nba shooter because of his %. Or Kobe Bryant wasn’t a good shooter.
I wouldn't go as far as Kobe Bryant.
I did give you a Marshall Henderson. And I'll give you another scorer like him: 'Melo Anthony.
I'm going with the team that has proven to be a top 75 three point shooting team over the past 4 years. IU's past two seasons have been historically bad in that regard. I'll trust the program that has put a premium on shooting over the program that just set a historically awful 3 point percentage last year. Sorry.
Thing about college programs...they change.
Ok. $50 charity bet that IU is a top 75 3 point shooting team in the country next year?
Again, who said IU was going to be a good shooting team? Man, you really don’t read well.
And so all the guys that made Purdue a Top 75 shooting team are gone yet you will go with them because “history”? Lulz.
I thought he showed what he is capable of the last 6 or 7 games. He was really good at times. IF......IF......IF IU can get that Green, for damn, just 90% of the time(next year)? Damn---that would be so really fantastic.
I think IU could be a decent shooting team next year. Green shot 40% from three on 117 attempts.....Durham shot close to 40% all year, before struggling late. Ended up at 36% on 115 attempts. Hunter is the wild card. Very good shooter. But will he be able to play? I'd like to see Arch go and get an elite shooter . Or heck, just a really good shooter.
So it’s the coaches that are teaching how to shoot 3s? What about the 3 years prior to the last 4 for Purdue? Why were they ranked 200+ in 3pt% and why will next year be more of the same rather than revert back to what they were before Carsen/Mathias/Cline?
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Don’t ask him logical, thought provoking questions. Blaire is likely to hurt himself.
I can answer this one. Painter changed his recruiting philosophy. He stated that he will always take at minimum 1 shooter per class after having bad shooting teams during those years. The results bore fruit.
I think Purdue will have a good shooting team still, but IU and Purdue's gap will definately narrow. I'd guess we will be top 100, but I see you guys potentially climbing into the 100s since I think your roster next year will follow their roles more. I don't see TJD trying to play hero ball on the outside.
It gives me nightmares thinking about Purdue's lineup with Bryson Scott and Ronnie Johnson from a shooting perspective. Gross
You all had some good shooting runs with not only Carsen/Cline/Mathias but V. Edwards and PJ shot basically> 40% from 3 his last 3 years, swanigan even shot 45% on 85 attempts his last year. I just don't see where those numbers would come from next year, again not that they'll be bad they'll just be average.
Not sure if this answers your question, but Painter has very openly stated in the years since the Johnson Brothers Disaster Era that recruiting shooters was a requirement.
Neubert did a long-form story on Painter's recruiting approach this spring and it includes a section specifically on this topic, for those with premium Rivals access:
https://purdue.rivals.com/news/matt-painter-s-uncommon-approach-to-recruiting-has-worked-at-purdue
That 2014 class freshman year was pretty bad overall 3 point shooting wise. It took a big jump their sophomore year. Not saying this team will do the same, but I think they’ll improve and have a decent/good shooting team.
I don't think it's fair to put it all on the coaches "developing shooters" because those individual players undoubtedly put in a lot of work to get to that point. But guys have historically made really good shooting strides the past 5-6 years from their freshman to sophomore season as usage increased. Really only Cline came in and was an efficient shooter as a freshman from this recent bunch.
Mathias - 32% to 39%
Thompson - 29% to 42%
V. Edwards - 32% to 41%
Swanigan - 29% to 45%
Cline - 39% to 41%
C. Edwards - 34% to 41%
Even Haarms has made steady, if not significant, strides in that area; hitting one as a freshman and seven this season on 25 attempts.
So I wouldn't be surprised to see Hunter take a step into the mid-30s. And I would hope Wheeler stays in the high 30s and Stefanovic becomes the next Mathias/Cline in the rotation.
What @CardinalBoiler said & Newman is one of the best shooters in his class so I believe he’ll make an instant impact in that regard as well. I think IT and Gillis will be solid shooters down the road too but idk if you can count on them as freshman.
I don't think it's hard to see the above. The question I would have is then why wouldn't IU expect to see similar improvements? Green went from 34% to 41% on more attempts, Durham went from 29% to 35% on more attempts. Phinese is at 31% this year and I would expect him to make a jump this coming season. Franklin shot it at 40+% his senior year. So that's our four main guards. If 3pt shooting was one of if not the biggest weakness we had, and following the same logic you laid out above, it would seem like this won't be much of an issue this coming season.
Again, this all comes back to not seeing much of a difference between Purdue and IU this coming season and certainly not seeing Purdue at 3rd and IU at 9th. The gap isn't going to be that big (assuming no injuries to either team and no more players leaving/adding; if there is we can reassess).
I never addressed the Purdue-versus-IU debate you are referencing. So not sure why that's relevant to what I posted. Just responding to other posters who had questions specifically about Purdue's shooting and next year's projections.
Well that's how this whole thing started. People were already guessing as to where teams would finish next year in the B10. Someone had Purdue 3rd and IU 9th citing shooting concerns. I questioned how Purdue would finish third without proven high level shooters/scorers. I wasn't trolling, just wanted to hear thoughts. I also asked how there could be such a gap between IU and PU as I would guess they're similar teams next year. Literally how this whole thing got started.
Couldn't we say the same the same thing going into last year too? I'd argue on paper, the gap wasn't significant but we saw a big difference in the final standings. I realize you guys had some injuries but don't think it was enough to justify the difference between 1st and 9th in the conference.
