I think Newman starts and then either Hunter or Sasha assuming we don’t add any new players that could come in right away.
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I think Newman starts and then either Hunter or Sasha assuming we don’t add any new players that could come in right away.
If you couldn't see that this team is much better than Painters "typical" teams then I don't know what to tell you. This team is WAY more athletic than the one with Haas, V. Edwards etc., and are just as skilled.
Let me ask you this. What did you think Purdue would do when Biggie left? How many times does this have to play out before you give Painter more credit?
I think he's had plenty of athletic teams but thats not my point. My point is it'll be more of a team rather than one guy dominating a large percentage of the shots.
Thats why I said what i said in the first sentence. Who would you pick to be the star, IE Swanigan/Carsen, of next years team? Haarms?
That would be my best guess based on what we know/assume currently. I think Purdue's ceiling is highest if Newman is able to step in and defend well enough to start at the 2/3.
The 4 position is the biggest question mark. Wheeler looks to have a ton of upside, but there's no depth behind him if Gillis is still battling his knee issues. Could be a spot to target a grad transfer or spring signee in the next few weeks.
Yes I agree, but as I stated earlier. We won 10 of our B10 games with Edwards shooting at or below 30% including a 10 point win over MSU. Painters other athletic teams were early in his career with Hummel and co. The slump years and the years with Mathias, Haas etc, were his least athletic teams by far. That's why they were more prone to early exits in the tournament, even though they really didn't lose before they were seeded to very often.
There may not be a single "star". It COULD be Wheeler, but I think that's a year early. I think next year is going to be a more collective team effort much like you see in TT and Auburn.
And it's a fair point, but I don't think you need a "star" to be really good. In fact I don't think any team left in the field has a star outside of MSU and Winston. The other teams are very balanced.
Yup. They have talent, that's for sure. Not doubting that. I think it's hard to project where a team like Purdue will finish considering they lose Edwards and Cline who accounted for 281 out of the 354 3pt shots made and 42 of the 76 points on average. And again, y'all are going to have guys that can make shots. They're young and haven't been relied upon like they will be next year. Not saying it's impossible to make up for that, it's just hard to guarantee it. I do think Newman should be a good player even next year. Hunter Jr. will be solid as well. Nojel will be Nojel. Haarms and Williams will be a good pair. Wheeler should be a good player.
I see a good team. I don't see anything that makes me think they undoubtedly going to challenge for the B10 Championship. I see a tourney team, for sure, IMO. But passed that at this point, it's really tough to say where they'll finish considering we don't know who's leaving or what additional players are for the remaining B10 teams.
I don't either. I think Purdue will be a pretty solid team next year baring any injuries. My point was they'll be a solid team somewhere around 4th but due to a collective effort rather than one guy that dominates the majority of the touches/pts.
I don't think I'd say Carsen is absolutely not coming back until it happens. I think it's probably 5% chance he does come back, but never say never until it's over.
I liked what i saw from Wheeler, seems like a long athletic guy that can shoot it. Think he can have a bright future and be an NBA guy at some point.
I don't think you guys will be anything like TT or Auburn next year. That's two Final Four teams. Let's not get crazy here.
I see a team that collectively won half of the B10 in spite of it's top guy playing with a bad back and unable to hit. They had to pick up the slack in other words and they will only get better since most of them were underclassmen.
I didn't say we'd be that good, just that we'd be a good team without a star. I used them as examples to show that you don't need a star to be very very good. Please don't try to make something out of my words that aren't there.
Ah, gotcha. I agree. I think the same with IU. It'll be a more team effort as opposed to running through Morgan and Langford constantly.
The other reason why I think we will be up there at the top is because we have been a very good rebounding team and losing Carsen and Cline won't effect that very much.
I’m guessing you and other said something pretty similar last year about how can Purdue replace 4 starters, over 5,000 points and all of that 3-point shooting. We had guys step up this year and make shots and will again next year. Wheeler can shoot, Sasha can shoot, it’ll have to translate but I’m not worried about Newman being able to shoot.
There was only 3 games Purdue won that Edwards scored fewer than 15pts, 5 when he scored fewer than 20. One of those 5 was an Indiana game in the 40's, the MSU game Cline hit 5 3s, the other 3 Haarms scored 15+ pts. I think the combo of him and Williams will be key next year.
Points scored on what shooting percentage? It's the inefficiency I'm referring to, not the points scored. In those games, a good amount of his points came from the FT line. His shooting %'s were bad.
I did say that, and thats why i still say purdue will be around top 4ish. Deep down i don't know but i have to give painter a little more benefit of the doubt.
This. He had plenty of games where he scored 20 but took 20+ shots to do it.
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Right be 4 of those teams were Nebraska, Rutgers, Indiana, and Minnesota. He still got his pts and still lead his team. His 75% is still better than mosts 100%. He was still on the floor and was still needed to be accounted for. We're arguing semantics at this point, we both agree they'll be a pretty solid team next year that will rely on more of a collective effort to win rather than one guy dominating the ball.
I said something similar yesterday...without Carson, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Purdue could be a better overall team next year without him. Just looking at it from the surface ...without double checking any stats...he's one of the most inefficient players in awhile.
Now, if he stopped trying to take so many bad shots next year, it's a completely different story. They would be a lot better with him in this scenario. Unfortunately, I don't see any possibility that he will have any desire to shoot less next year.
This is something i won't agree with. They could be more efficient but i don't think they'll be a better team.
For some reason I was thinking Cline was just a junior, so when I said that...I was expecting them to have a version of Cline who is a little better then this years version of Cline.
But even with him, it's not something I'd feel comfortable putting money on. Its just with all of those bad shots, it's a ton of robbed possessions each game.
Yeah, I did, and so did most Purdue fans. It's not a common outcome when replacing so much production and seniority. You don't have to be worried about anything. You guys will be a solid team. Saying you guys will compete for the B10 title is premature at this point.
Speaking of that miss, that's almost as bad as suggesting McRoberts > Cline.Where is @Mgkcbb or @BabaySharkk with their projections that MSU would finish like 10th in B10? Talk about an all time miss on that projection. Reminds me of the miss below...
Happy Monday bitches.
I think you are underestimating the effect Carsen just being on the floor had on opposing defenses, even when he was shooting well.
I think we can be pretty darn good next year but Carsen was very impactful even when he wasn't shooting well.
Goodman keeps this list updated.
https://watchstadium.com/news/compr...e-basketball-players-transferring-12-29-2018/
Nah. That's not even close to as bad as MSU being worse than Illinois and being like 10th in the B10.
The fact that you think those projections were anything more than trolling is laughable. Those posters are terrible on all accounts.