*Official* 2017-2018 B1G In-Season Thread
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The years before Painter got to Purdue:
2005: 7-21
2004: 17-14
2003: 19-11
2002: 13-18
2001: 17-15
Perennial winner? Lol
can't the truth or in this case the facts which you and these other Purdue fan fail to acknowledge,
Purdue sure as hell was in a better position when he was hand picked by Keady to succeed him
also go back a little further rather than cherry pick.
Cherry pick? I used 5 years dude. The last 5 years are the most relevant because it was the most recent and that was the roster he inherited. Keady being good in the 90’s had nothing to do with the team Painter inherited.
When I was growing up my favorite college player was Rick Mount. (Yes I’m old school) When I think about Purdue I still think of his amazing shooting. lol
he has only been the coach for 7 full seasons with this being his 8th,
going back to 2012-13 season Painter has guided Purdue to 2 trips to the NCAAT
HMMM pot meet kettle. requiring Fran to do something that Painter didn't do, also Fran as guided Iowa to 3 straight NCAAT in his 1st 5 seasons as well as 3 NIT's. so in reality Fran has guided Iowa to 6 straight post season Tournaments
this season will end the winning seasons and Tourney births, at 5 Straight BT .500 or better and 6 over all. all this with mostly unrated 3* player 1 2* player and 1 walk on with just 2 4* players from the 2012-13 season thru the 15-16 seasons. and even those 2 4* players didn't have their best BT season of 12-6 till they were JR's & SR's
Iowa is an average P6 program. That's who they are. Their potential is average. If you were to rank all P5 programs on success the last 5-8-10 years, and Iowa is somewhere in the middle. If you just went through a list of things that show a program's potential for success, and Iowa is again lackluster and in the middle.
Fran is an average coach at an average program, and that's pretty much where they will be for awhile. As the US population moves South and West, they'll be worse. There is nothing special about playing basketball at Iowa other than you share an arena with a historically great Wrestling team.
Fran is an average coach at an average program, and that's pretty much where they will be for awhile. As the US population moves South and West, they'll be worse. There is nothing special about playing basketball at Iowa other than you share an arena with a historically great Wrestling team.
To be honest many fans were calling for Painter to be fired, but he had 4 straight season finishing 1st or 2nd in the B1G and been to the sweet 16 twice prior to those years, he was in his mid 40's, and an Alumni.
Those years are the only years he has not won at least 20 games and been to the NCAA (we don't count year 1). To be honest there are many fans still not happy that Painter is the coach because they feel the S16 is his peak which is NOT what we accept as a peak. Painter's average record (again we don't count year 1) is 25-12
I think that is everyone's point, why do you as an Iowa fan accept those results?
the year before Fran got here
2006-07 17-14
2007-08 13-19
2008-09 15-17
2009-10 10-22
the last 3 years in this cycle in the BT AVG'd 5 wins per season.
Going back to 2012-2013, Painter has guided Purdue to 4 NCAAT appearances not 2. Care to try again?
Hoosiers and Illini tonight...Hoosiers currently -9.5.
A lot of points for this Indiana team still. They have been playing very well hopefully it stays that way. I do think IU gets the win tonight. Just maybe not by 10.
Valentine plans getting in the way this evening as well, not sure I'll get to view the game. Would rather have had the 3:30 start tonight not the 5:30.
A lot of points for this Indiana team still. They have been playing very well hopefully it stays that way. I do think IU gets the win tonight. Just maybe not by 10.
Valentine plans getting in the way this evening as well, not sure I'll get to view the game. Would rather have had the 3:30 start tonight not the 5:30.
throw out Frans 1st year and he has avg 21 wps. IN THE BT why is that not acceptable, Lute in his 9 season never avg over 20 wps
Dr. Tom in 13 years avg'd 20.6 wps,
Dr. Tom had a elite 8 finish and 2 sweet 16 finishes being run off after that 2nd Sweet 16
Lute had 1 Shared BT Championship 1 FF and 1 sweet 16 finish and he ran from Iowa has as he could to get away from the Iowa fans
Just like Miller after his final season where his team went undefeated and won the BT Champion also got the hell of Iowa as he could.
in Dr. Tom Iowa had a coach that willing to retire from Iowa and he was run off for better coach that was going to produce BT Champions and FF. look how that turned out. sometime firing a coach that is winning to find that miracle coach doesn't usually work out,.
Fran in 8th season is just 3 seasons away from guiding Iowa to 3 straight NCAAT, this team is young and it wil get better. just like the level of the talent coming in is getting better.
Like I said, and I will continue to stick by this, Fran needs to land at least one other 4* player for 2019 in addition to Carton and Patrick, who I already on board, obviously, if he wants to see some results
12-13 no NCAAT
13-14 no NCAAT
14-15 NCAAT
15-16 NCAAT
16-17 NCAAT
3 not 2 nor 4
looks like we both miscounted the years. guess I should have posted this in the 1st place to avoid any confusion,,
If 21 wins is your benchmark then so be it. 20 win season don't mean much any more when each team plays 32-33 regular season games plus the B1G tournament.
since everybody in the 2019 class that have offers are 4 or 5* players
Fran is personally recruiting Carton and 5* Robinson-Earle from Kansas. getting him to pick Iowa over Kansas would be no different than Fran to get Cook to pick Iowa over Kansas.
another selling point is that Cook may leave after his JR season this would allow Earle to slide into Cook starting spot.
Cook is not leaving for the draft before he graduates unless he puts up monster numbers next year. He's not in ANY mock drafts as far as second round. Why would he leave early if he's not a first rounder?
its the bottom of my benchmark as Fran has 1 25 win season tying him for 2nd all time for Iowa Coaches
then 20 wins
22 wins
22 wins
also Fran is 3rd in Iowa coaching wins with just
Lute
Dr. Tom in all time wins. all this in 7 seasons before this season SA was 3rd in wins over 8 seasons and Fran passed him in 7.
Ok, so what I'm seeing here is that both Iowa and Purdue were not in great shape when their current coaches took over. Painter has been to multiple sweet 16's, and if Robbie Hummel doesn't get hurt, it's very likely they are a final 4 team. Painter, albeit by pretty much his own doing, had a few down years due to what seems to be personal life stuff. He got things back together, and has Purdue about as good as they have ever been in their history. It pains me to say it as an Indiana fan, but he's done a helluva job the past few years. Fran is still just average.
What were Olson and Davis winning percentages while at Iowa? You talk about total wins but there are far more games played now vs. when Olson and Davis coached there
if he make the same type of strides that he did from his FR season to his SO season he will be in the mock drafts.
FR season 24.5 mpg, 12.3 ppg. 5.3 rpb
shooting 55.4% from the field 59.8% from the FTL
SO season 27 mpg 15.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg
shooting 56.9% from the field, 66.4% from the FTL and 16.7% from 3, showing he has increased his range, scoring will not be the problem as he needs to work on his FT shooting and be consistent from 17' out, plus being more aggressive in rebounding and defense.
this is the teams problem not being aggressive enough on defense and playing team defense and not this matador defense that we are seeing.
and you are the text book definition of the cross between a mule and a horse, here's a hint the word starts with "J" and ends with a "S"
Ahh. Yes. "Jimmies". Yours seem to be rustled.
It's alllmost as funny as those thinking Kansas wouldn't be a consistent top program in the "vaunted" b1g.
Trust our eyeball Olympics scored the same.
The worst part about '18 season as a Jayhawk will be when that projected "2" ends up a "4". The
Igs of the fanbase will spew loudest. Soon the Fire Bill Self trumpets will sound, usually starting from the far East, but whatevs.
Come next season, they'll start another round in one of the toughest basketball conferences projected near/at the top all over again.
Kansas, this season, will be fortunate to be a S16 team.
The best part for those who hate tho, Kansas will lose again to a lower ranked seed, it's basically a given.
However, I really think just about any of the top 5-7 seeds could win it all.
Everyone has flaws.. seemingly. Nova looks the shiniest, ugh.
Never said it wasn't, the team defense is just not there and there is more to defense than just individual defense, there is Help defense in the form of team defense and they have not been able to do that.
maybe its because of their youth, or maybe its because of the injuries where they cannot practice together. I don't know this is where they should work on working together as a team.
this summer in the PTL these players can work on their liabilities/weaknesses. be it shooting FT's which is a major weakness because as a team they are shooting at a 68.5% from the FTL. they need to get that up in the 70%+. these are the top 3 in %
Bohannon 89.4%
Moss 87.4%
Nunge 76.2%
after those 3 the rest fell off a cliff, I have never shied away from being critical of a teams weakness.
just not that big a homer to give them a pass on the obvious weakness.
as for talking about it on here, why should I really comment on something that gets beat to death.
no I am calling you a jackass and boiler1987.Did you just call Jesus a jackass?????
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