That was 2 REALLY IMPRESSIVE games
*Official* 2017-2018 B1G In-Season Thread
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Fran HAS TO keep the top talent in the state. Can't let Carton, Foster, etc get away anymore if he wants to continue to build the program. And that's part of it, if you show you can win, you will get better recruits
Wait....Are you talking about Campbell? Please tell me you're not talking about this kid. Archie didn't even recruit him. You've officially lost your marbles.
Also, we LANDED our key PG in state with Phinese prior to Campbell committing to UCLA. We're also after another guard, maybe you heard of him, Romeo Langford? Top five player in the country from Indiana?
Go drink your prune juice old man.
so what who cares about the buyout. that works both ways as Fran also has to pay the same some just to quit. the new contract takes him thru Patrick's senior year. what wrong with that?
its not like its a 10 year extension, with the pay putting him at the top of the BT in coaching salaries.
there is another top PG in the state of Iowa and his name is Locure, he is one that on Hawkeye nation that they prefer over Carton.
right now on Hawkeye Report page on BB recruiting board of targets show Carton as 50% to Iowa. the best thing is he is friends with Wieskamp and Patrick with him talking about playing with those 2.
what a group
#51 PG Carton by Rivals
#42 SG Wieskamp by Rivals
#31 SF Patrick by Rivals
add them to these
PF Cook
C Garza
PG Connor
PG Bohannon
Cook and Bohannon will only play with the 1st 3 for 1 season
Lol Archie never recruited Tyger you clown. IU has their 2018 PG and is locked in on a Carton
Just stop you don’t know a thing
what makes the 2019 class so interesting is who will get that 3rd scholarship, at the top of the board 6'7 F Liddell might end up as the 3rd recruit in the 2019 class
4* PG Carton will get 3* SG Ellingsons Scholarship
4*F Patrick will get F former walk on Baers scholarship
4* F Liddell if he commits will get 3* F Wagners scholarship Pretty good upgrade.
4* PG Carton will get 3* SG Ellingsons Scholarship
4*F Patrick will get F former walk on Baers scholarship
4* F Liddell if he commits will get 3* F Wagners scholarship Pretty good upgrade.
Absolutely nothing wrong with his contract going until Patrick’s senior year, but than again I’m not an Iowa fan.
They don't really like Locure over on HR but I would take both just because. IMO it's like football with WR, over recruit the position until you find a couple good ones. Plus, we have enough guys who play the 3-5 positions, so go all out for a bunch of good PGs and until you find one that sticks, just keep doing it. And I think that's what they are doing right now and I applaud them for that
FWIW 247 Sports has Liddell 100% Missouri. And on 247 Sports, the only guy they have us at "warm" for is Patrick McCaffery and that's because he's committed. Not great news at this point in the game
Four Big Ten players on Naismith Top 30 list:
Keita Bates-Diop - OSU
Miles Bridges - MSU
Vince Edwards - Purdue
Carsen Edwards - Purdue
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketbal...cid=ncaammsocial_tw_sf182123684&sf182123684=1
Keita Bates-Diop - OSU
Miles Bridges - MSU
Vince Edwards - Purdue
Carsen Edwards - Purdue
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketbal...cid=ncaammsocial_tw_sf182123684&sf182123684=1
nor do you. as its down to Iowa and Wisconsin. in fact Former Iowa player and a Iowa native in Dean Oliver is his lead recruiter for Wisconsin.
So the kid who just visited IU and said he and his family would be back in the spring or summer for another visit and just had Archie fly over the night before a game is down to Iowa and Wisconsin? You sure about that?
Didn’t see you guys mention him, but curious if Iowa was still recruiting Cleveland’s 5-star F Alonzo Gaffney? At one point I thought they were. He’s at the top of Coach Holtmann’s 2019 list.
if we are using 247 5* Foster is 75% Iowa and 25% Kentucky
5* PG Suggs in the 2020 class is warm to Iowa and nobody else. also HE has a offer from KF for FB. never really looked at 247 for BB recruiting.
oh well 247 has Jackson-Davis warm to Iowa and he made the trip to watch the Hawks scrimmage on Saterday mornings before the H FB game 3 times this last fall. ON HIS OWN DIME.
Jackson-Davis isn’t going to Iowa. Bet the farm on that. If I’m guessing right now, I’ll say it’ll come down to IU, MSU, or Purdue. Who cares if it’s on his own dime? His dad was an NBA player and I’m sure the family isn’t strapped for cash.
DD isn’t much a part of his life FYI. He has started to get more involved in recent years. His step-dad who played in the NFL was/is much more involved. IU, MSU, Purdue, UCLA and OSU in the mix. Iowa has been trying but don’t seen them being that final group
Oh I know. Just trying to drive home the point that making an unofficial on his own dime isn’t a big deal for him like it would be for other kids.
he has a offer as a SF but since Fran already has Patrick I think he has backed off because of the number of players at the 3 already on the team.
to me the idea seems to be replacing a position by position in this group
G Carton for G Ellingson
SF Patrick for SF Baer
F ? for F Wagner.
Dillard is the lead recruiter for Jackson-Davis
Fran is the lead recruiter for Robinson-Earl
plus they have a total of 9 offers out to PF,
even 7'3 5* C Chol Marial is showing interest in Iowa all because Fran lets his bigs play facing the basket on offense and if the have range to 3 he lets them shoot.
7'0 Nunge and 6'11 Garza have both shown they have the range. sometimes it is the little things that can lure a recruit to schools.
getting him will not make nor break the 2019 class as all he would be is gravy at this point. beside 5* Foster @ 6'10 would negate any loss of Jackson, besides Foster could step in for Cook.
also Cook chose Iowa over Kansas and top players want to play on the same team as other top players.
this where getting Wieskamp and Patrick both top 50 recruits by Rivals will help.
I much prefer a gil dominated convo than hail and borden acting likes morons.
also, I've won like 7 bets now on Nebraska.
also, I've won like 7 bets now on Nebraska.
Carton is just going thru the recruiting he even went to a TCU game and there was a picture of him sitting right behind the players. does that mean he is a lock to go to TCU? not hardly
Carton has been to numerous Iowa games and Saterday morning practices and is good friends with Connor, Patrick, Wieskamp and Foster,
this in the end can make all the difference in the world of recruiting. playing with your friends or playing with someone you don't know.
he already has a solid core in these by ESPN
4* PG Bohannon
4* WG Moss
4* PF Cook
4* C Garza
4* PG Connor
these are on campus
4* SG Wieskamp will join them this summer, this why I look for this to be the 2 deep this next Fall
PG JR Bohannon backup RSFR Connor
SG FR Wieskamp backup JR Dailey/SR Ellingson
SF/WG JR Moss backup SR Baer/SR Wagner
PF JR Cook backup JR Pemsyl/JR Kriener
C SO Garza backup SO Nunge
FR PG Fredrick I expect him to RS, this year team has been snake bit with injuries and a unexpected defection.
in my over 60 years I have seen every coach go thru a season like this, so there is no reason to turn into Chicken Littles screaming the Sky is Falling.
Carton is just toying with programs and he knows that he is down to Iowa and Wisconsin?
The guy will average over 15 loses a season during an 8 year period. How is that acceptable? No offense to Nebraska and Penn State but Iowa isn't them. Yet, they are getting those results under Fran.
I am taking a break until the tournament, but Nebraska has been a real betting winner I am seeing.
Fran has told him to take all his visits, just Like KF in FB take all your visits before committing, its a long time till the Nov signing period. even Patrick and Wieskamp are encouraging him to enjoy the recruiting trips to see what is out there before committing, this is a no pressure recruiting of Carton by Iowa.
here are a year by year breakdown under Fran
10-11 1st season 11-20 zero 4*'s using Licks players
11-12 2nd season 8-10 18-17 zero 4* using Licks players
12-13 3rd season 9-9 25-13 adds a pair of 4* players
13-14 4th season 9-9 20-13 same 2 4* players
14-15 5th season 12-6 22-12 same
15-16 6th season 12-6 22-11 same
16-17 7th season 10-8 19-15 starting 4 FR and 1 SR 3 4* PLAYERS AS FR started.
17-18 4 4* players are starting 1 a FR and the other 3 as SO's.
18-19 season could have 5 4* players starting with a 6th coming off the bench
hmm I only see 3 seasons in the 1st 7 where they have lost 15 or more games.
over blown results I see.
You know you are already at 15 loses this season, so make that 4 out of 8 with 15+ losses. You are aware of what an average is right?
question for Purdue fans. when Painter went 8-10 16-18 in the 12-13 season then went 5-13 finishing dead last and 15-17 in the 13-14 season, how many of you were calling for Painter to be FIRED?
AND now are glad the AD didn't pay attention to bunch of nobodies on a msg board?
AND now are glad the AD didn't pay attention to bunch of nobodies on a msg board?
Difference is Painter had some decent success before those seasons. Fran is damn near 60 and has won four total NCAA tournament games and only two of those at Iowa. Never been to a sweet 16
but if you look at the positive he is avg'ing 19.6 wps
take out his 1st season and he is avg'ing 21 wps. actually it is 14.4 losses per season
this with a team that only had 2 4* players from his 1st season to his 6th season.
maybe just maybe the state of the Iowa program actually played a huge role in those season in recruiting and the lack of better results.
because this gig is his 1st at a P5 program the others were mid major programs that were constantly losing that he led to their 1st NCAAT in a number of years.
in Fran 2 year of winning leading Iowa to their 1st round games as a 7 seed the losing in the 2nd rnd to the regions #2 seed in FF Team Gonzaga
then the next season after winning in the 1st rnd as a 7 Seed lost to #2 Seed NCAAT Champion Villanova,
are you saying that Gonzaga and Villinova had absolutely NO RIGHT TO WIN?
quit side stepping the question and Painter took over a perrinial winner unlike Fran who took over a blazing Forest Fire in which Iowa had won just 1 NCAAT game in ELEVEN YEARS, AND Fran won 2 in his 1st 5 years.
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