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***NBA Playoffs: Finals Thread***

Thats fair, but if you really think I have an agenda then you're wrong and still upset about the game last night. I was nothing but respectful and complimentary of LeBron until literally the first post after the game was saying LBJ could have won with Jordans teammates. I'm sure you don't have a problem with that post, though. It fits YOUR agenda.
Haven't seen all your posts, but if you say "clearly a block" or "they got it right" even after saying "could have gone either way" you either have an agenda, or you just don't know the rules.

Admittedly, I was only sure of the rules after hearing them read.
 
I like dt, we for the most part have great back and forths. I think last night got to him a little and I can’t say I blame him. I can’t even think about sports the day after my team loses a big game. It’s miserable talking about them.
What I like about our conversations is we can bot agree or disagree. Not like some in this forum who will always support one person over the other or vice versa.

Agenda might have been off. Though maybe applies if you say you are sure it was a block, but then still say could have gone either way. Or if you say could have gone either way but they were right to make the call change.
 
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The game was so close throughout and I think they just wanted to make the right call. I understand what you're saying. They messed up making the right call.
I could live with that analysis. I certainly don't think it's not possible it was a block. About 50-50 to me.

That said, plenty worse calls made by refs that were not overturned.
 
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you can keep saying they followed the rules correctly but they didn't. That's a fact if you believe "it could have gone either way"
I was going by what both announcers were saying. They said once the officials determined LBJ wasn’t in the restricted area, they were allowed to look at his legal guarding position and determine the block or charge from there, with the time being in the last two minutes. If that is wrong I apologize, I was going by what the tv commentators were explaining.
 
What I like about our conversations is we can bot agree or disagree. Not like some in this forum who will always support one person over the other or vice versa.

Agenda might have been off. Though maybe applies if you say you are sure it was a block, but then still say could have gone either way. Or if you say could have gone either way but they were right to make the call change.
My first thought was a block and after watching a replay I still thought it was a block. But you are right. Bang bang play that could have gone either way.
 
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I was going by what both announcers were saying. They said once the officials determined LBJ wasn’t in the restricted area, they were allowed to look at his legal guarding position and determine the block or charge from there, with the time being in the last two minutes. If that is wrong I apologize, I was going by what the tv commentators were explaining.
That's exactly what they said during the review.
 
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Getting it right and being able to change the call not the same. They only are supposed to change calls when they are sure. No way anyone could have been sure about that one.

And, if the refs called it differently the correct call is a jump ball.
Jump ball. Half court. No other players on court. First one to score wins. KD v LBJ.
 
I was going by what both announcers were saying. They said once the officials determined LBJ wasn’t in the restricted area, they were allowed to look at his legal guarding position and determine the block or charge from there, with the time being in the last two minutes. If that is wrong I apologize, I was going by what the tv commentators were explaining.
Not wrong in that they aren't allowed to change the call. They are. But if you believe "it could have gone either way" it is not a call that should be changed.

Never mind the only way they can review anything is inside or out of restricted area. From the ref's view, seems hard to believe he didn't know. I could tell without seeing a replay.

Oh well.....need to come out mad and not distraught for game 2.
 
My first thought was a block and after watching a replay I still thought it was a block. But you are right. Bang bang play that could have gone either way.
I have to say I really don't know. Agreed with ref during game that said Lebron's left foot was still and moved maybe a little to brace for impact. Also think Durant moved in to cause contact possibly. Still think a 50-50 coinflip.
 
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Not wrong in that they aren't allowed to change the call. They are. But if you believe "it could have gone either way" it is not a call that should be changed.

Never mind the only way they can review anything is inside or out of restricted area. From the ref's view, seems hard to believe he didn't know. I could tell without seeing a replay.

Oh well.....need to come out mad and not distraught for game 2.
Eh, I’m not sure I agree with that. I think they did the right thing reviewing, just like they review who touched the ball last before it went out of bounds, or was a players foot on the three point line for a made basket. If the three refs came to a conclusion after watching the replay then I have no issue with them changing the call. Would feel the same way if they hadn’t changed it to a block after reviewing.
 
Eh, I’m not sure I agree with that. I think they did the right thing reviewing, just like they review who touched the ball last before it went out of bounds, or was a players foot on the three point line for a made basket. If the three refs came to a conclusion after watching the replay then I have no issue with them changing the call. Would feel the same way if they hadn’t changed it to a block after reviewing.
If no ref was sure, then go ahead and review. But I think they used it as an excuse from the replay I watched and what the ref was looking at. Hard to believe he didn't know Lebron was in a legal area.

If they concluded "definitively" it was a block, sure, but seems we both agree it could have gone either way and this is a judgement call. Not like deciding if a ball is in or out of bounds. More the equivalent of the PI call in football.
 
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If no ref was sure, then go ahead and review. But I think they used it as an excuse from the replay I watched and what the ref was looking at. Hard to believe he didn't know Lebron was in a legal area.

If they concluded "definitively" it was a block, sure, but seems we both agree it could have gone either way and this is a judgement call. Not like deciding if a ball is in or out of bounds. More the equivalent of the PI call in football.
How do you think the Cavs respond tomorrow?
 
My first thought was a block and after watching a replay I still thought it was a block. But you are right. Bang bang play that could have gone either way.
I thought it was clearly a block. MOF, didn' even feel it was close. You can move ...but not after offensive player has started his shot. IMO, that was the case.
 
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NBA needs to revisit what a GOD damn screen is. Not sure I've seen one, legal screen. Unless of course you can hug a guy now. Or grab him. Or put your forearms into him. Jesus NBA basketball is awful. No clue what a foul is. Guess as a NCAA official, I'd fit right in..Laughing
 
NBA needs to revisit what a GOD damn screen is. Not sure I've seen one, legal screen. Unless of course you can hug a guy now. Or grab him. Or put your forearms into him. Jesus NBA basketball is awful. No clue what a foul is. Guess as a NCAA official, I'd fit right in..Laughing

The screens drive me nuts. They will physically grab people with both arms.
 
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How do you think the Cavs respond tomorrow?
Wish I knew. Because I think Lebron will be pissed (probably wasn't smart to taunt him at the end) the entire team is ready.

Comes down to making shots as I don't know they can crush GS on the glass like they did in Game 1. Should have the edge, but they manhandled them.
 
I thought it was clearly a block. MOF, didn' even feel it was close. You can move ...but not after offensive player has started his shot. IMO, that was the case.
Actually, yeah, you can move even after he starts his shot. You think he is not allowed to brace himself for contact?

Doesn't mean it was a clear charge but it's a myth the defender cannot move at all.
 
NBA needs to revisit what a GOD damn screen is. Not sure I've seen one, legal screen. Unless of course you can hug a guy now. Or grab him. Or put your forearms into him. Jesus NBA basketball is awful. No clue what a foul is. Guess as a NCAA official, I'd fit right in..Laughing
Some seem to think there is no contact in today's game. I agree with you. Also see a lot of defenders who just hug their man around the waist then they are trying to get a pass in the post.
 
Actually, yeah, you can move even after he starts his shot. You think he is not allowed to brace himself for contact?

Doesn't mean it was a clear charge but it's a myth the defender cannot move at all.
I never said the defender cannot move. Reread my post. Once an offenive player starts his shot/leaves the floor you cannot move. If you do...its a block. You can move backwards or side to side, IF you have established legal guarding positionimg. You cannot move forward.
Pretty familiar with the rules. But thanks for the help.
 
So never mind the Cavs did not shoot well either I guess?
Not at all. Cleveland didn't shoot well. But that's irrelevant. If Clev shoots well and GS shoots well....Warriors win everytime. For Caleb to win the series, they'll need GS to play/shoot like they did Thurs, every night. Sorry, but Cleveland's best isn' close to beating GS best.
 
Some seem to think there is no contact in today's game. I agree with you. Also see a lot of defenders who just hug their man around the waist then they are trying to get a pass in the post.
It's plum awful.
 
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I never said the defender cannot move. Reread my post. Once an offenive player starts his shot/leaves the floor you cannot move. If you do...its a block. You can move backwards or side to side, IF you have established legal guarding positionimg. You cannot move forward.
Pretty familiar with the rules. But thanks for the help.
Not really if you think he can move side to side. You can a little to brace yourself. which way are you thinking he moved on the play if he did?
 
Not at all. Cleveland didn't shoot well. But that's irrelevant. If Clev shoots well and GS shoots well....Warriors win everytime. For Caleb to win the series, they'll need GS to play/shoot like they did Thurs, every night. Sorry, but Cleveland's best isn' close to beating GS best.
If they each play an A+ game? I agree. But if the Cavs can rebound like they did again, no matter how each team shoots, that kind of means GS didn't play their best, doesn't it?

How are you thinking GS combats the Cavs' size/rebounding?
 
Not really if you think he can move side to side. You can a little to brace yourself. which way are you thinking he moved on the play if he did?
Bracing yourself is one thing. Moving to create contact is another. I thought he moved [sideways], AFTER shooter began his shot/left his feet. Which is illegal. Moving back or to the side is perfectly fine....Untul the shooter vegans to leave the floor, or has left the floor. Thought it was clearly a block. Like to see it agin. You have a video?
 
Bracing yourself is one thing. Moving to create contact is another. I thought he moved [sideways], AFTER shooter began his shot/left his feet. Which is illegal. Moving back or to the side is perfectly fine....Untul the shooter vegans to leave the floor, or has left the floor. Thought it was clearly a block. Like to see it agin. You have a video?
I've seen it enough and it wasn't clearly either to me. Call could have gone either way. Though Javie seemed to think the charge should have stood, but what does he know over a FB ref?
 
If they each play an A+ game? I agree. But if the Cavs can rebound like they did again, no matter how each team shoots, that kind of means GS didn't play their best, doesn't it?

How are you thinking GS combats the Cavs' size/rebounding?
Like they did Thursday; hittimg timely 3's. Look, Clev dominated the boards . LeBron went for 51. And they still lost. Plus I'm not so sure Cleveland dominates the boards like so again. IMO Clev needs GS to be average to win. And even that may not be emough. LeBrons gonna have to put up 45 plus each night....just to keep it close.
 
I've seen it enough and it wasn't clearly either to me. Call could have gone either way. Though Javie seemed to think the charge should have stood, but what does he know over a FB ref?
Who' s a Football ref?
 
Like they did Thursday; hittimg timely 3's. Look, Clev dominated the boards . LeBron went for 51. And they still lost. Plus I'm not so sure Cleveland dominates the boards like so again. IMO Clev needs GS to be average to win. And even that may not be emough. LeBrons gonna have to put up 45 plus each night....just to keep it close.
Cleveland also shot like garbage from 3 and still almost won. See how that works?
 
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