I understand why you assumed I have an agenda. You're defensive. I don't have a rooting interest in these finals other than just being good games.
Lebron was moving. It was a block.
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Lebron was moving. It was a block.
You might have something with being conclusive enough to overturn, if thats a rule in the NBA......but it sure looked like he slid underneath him at the last moment, turned sideways into KD and crumbled over. He seemed to be moving and def not squared up at all------obviously trying to manufacture a charge. I don't know exactly what the definition of legal guarding position is----but i doubt it would be how Bron was set-up.
I assumed you have an agenda 0 and you do - because of previous comments you have made. No more. No less.
I don't understand the big deal. He initiated the contact by moving into the shooter. He wasn't just standing there and dude ran into him. He went into the shooter.
He made a fantastic pass that could have resulted in a game winning lay up if not for a Thompson tackle at the goal line.
OK, if you say so. Laughing Thanks for letting me know.
My agenda is hoping refs make the right call.
You don't have to be squared up, as Javie explained. I think possible he was moving, but could have been to brace himself. Also looked like Durant might have initiated the contact.
But as I said....if original call was block I would not have had a beef. And they made far worse calls in the game than that one.
me, too.....especially when they are allowed to review it. I usually hope they don't change calls that are inconclusive, which this was to an actual NBA ref. Not a rivals ref.
Anyone who says it was an obvious call - you did - has an agenda.
"Rivals ref"?
The NBA refs reviewed it and made the right call. I don't understand the back and forth.
OK, I'm talking about the game and I'm reading words such as "you". I have nothing to do with it. The refs made the right call, and I'm getting off this Ferris Wheel.
It was def a weird play. I think LBJ knew KD would jump around him had he squared up and planted where he could have been set....so he tried to use the extra half second to more even further to KD's right hand side---which made him have his body sideways. KD sees him coming and tries to glide around him to the right imo. You put any two guys in the replay and I'd call it a charge---tough play, but the right call if I was the decision maker.
I would, too, as you are probably making yourself dizzy. First you say you don't have an agenda, all you said was "he was moving a little" Then you were showed you said "they definitely got the call right."
No one without an agenda could possibly know they got it right. And even if they did, you think it was OK to overturn a call that close? There were far worse calls then that in every game that aren't reviewed.
To me its clear---I'm def not an LBJ fan so I cant claim total impartiality, but in crunch time you want the calls to be right and I think that one was correctly......corrected.
I could definitely see that line of thinking. My only issue, really, was they changed the call when it's pretty clearly inconclusive, or with anyone who thinks it was an easy call.
If I were you I'd have my doubts they thought he might have been in the restricted area....but instead felt like they made the wrong call at a very important juncture of the game and didn't want to be hammered for a missed call.
Even then I cannot say I remember foul calls being changed.
They obviously missed one early in OT. Why not say they were looking to see if it was a flagrant on Hill, then when they saw it wasn't a foul, reversing it?
I think a large part of the ire is that the ability to overturn the block/charge can only happen in a specific situation (last 2 minutes and review is for whether or not the defender is in the charge circle) and is brand new this year (maybe last year as well). What seems like a good idea in isolation (get the call right) becomes horrible in practice precisely because so many other things cannot be so corrected, like the Hill call in overtime. And block/charge is always maddening.
J.R. Smith (and George Hill!) loves this distraction, btw. As do the shooters that went 3-17 from 3, mostly wide open, on passes from LeBron. And Durant is happy that his generally crappy game, including a failure to box out on the Hill free throw and pretty wretched defense, is overlooked.
You are right for the most part. More of the ire, I think, is it was changed and it was not clear it was not a charge. Might have been but would think it needs to be a little more obvious than this one was.
Actually heard Tim Donaghy of all people saying how it should have gone down, and he read it from the rule book. If 2 refs cannot agree on a foul call and have it as a double foul it's a jump ball.
Doesn't mean Cavs win the jump and the game, but better than just giving Durant 2 shots.
You are right on Durant....Stephen A even said he'd be ripping him had JR put it back in (and there's a pic showing he had a clear look). Not that his word is gospel.
So what did you really think about the call? You've not been completely clear in all the post you've made about it.
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. If not, I thought changing the call was ridiculous.
If, in fact, it wasn't changed and no call was ever made other than a double foul (foul on each player by different refs) the rule states it should have been a jump ball.
You do realize this was a response to a LBJ fan (albeit, he was drunk) who immediately came in with a shot at Jordan and LeBron's teammates?
Was I a hater when I complimented him throughout the game? Or just in that one response? I guess only when it fits your narrative, huh.
Please post where I dissed LeBron. I'll wait. If calling out some of his fans is ripping him, you need some thicker skin.
To me it looked like a block, sure, could have gone either way. But I think they got it right and they used the replay in the correct way. Again, do I have an agenda when I compliment James? Or just when I post something about him or his fans that you don't like?
Dude, they were following the rules and did so correctly. They established LeBron wasn't in the circle, and once that is established they are allowed to change the call at that point in the game. I don't care what close calls they look at in the last two minutes. No shits given, I could care less if they looked at the call you mentioned.
Eyeroll
You are awful sensitive today. I get it, your team lost a heartbreaker. Don't take it out on me when I've said nothing wrong about your boy, just some of his nutty fans.
Thats fair, but if you really think I have an agenda then you're wrong and still upset about the game last night. I was nothing but respectful and complimentary of LeBron until literally the first post after the game was saying LBJ could have won with Jordans teammates. I'm sure you don't have a problem with that post, though. It fits YOUR agenda.
Unless you have a hard on thinking about Lebron when you post ITT you have an agenda and hate him.
Looking at you Jimbo
Looking at you Jimbo
Things I’ve said about LeBron James:
He’s the second greatest player of all time
Could still become the best of all time
Passed my favorite player on the all time list 7 years ago
His work eithic is off the charts
Three point shooting and shooting in general seem to be much better than they were even a couple years ago
He’s the most physically gifted basketball player of all time
Cleary I’m a hater with an agenda
I like dt, we for the most part have great back and forths. I think last night got to him a little and I can’t say I blame him. I can’t even think about sports the day after my team loses a big game. It’s miserable talking about them.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...d-two-missed-infractions-final-seconds-game-1
Looks like they got it right after missing the original call. Cold case solved.
Looks like they got it right after missing the original call. Cold case solved.
Fair point.....though I rip on him so no need for thicker skin by me.
Actually, no, they did not use it in the correct way. If the call on the court was a charge, needs to be irrefutable evidence to change it. Could have gone either way is not irrefutable.
If there was no call on the court other than a double foul - one ref called block, one called charge - the correct call is a jump ball.
Never mind only way they could review was if they didn't know if Lebron was in the restricted area. I knew he wasn't before even seeing a replay.
They botched it.
All that said, had the original call been a block that would have been fine......but it wasn't.
you can keep saying they followed the rules correctly but they didn't. That's a fact if you believe "it could have gone either way"
The game was so close throughout and I think they just wanted to make the right call. I understand what you're saying. They messed up making the right call.
