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Kentucky Vs. Tennessee

Besides Utah of course, Florida is my pick.

*Just noticed that's a "bible belt" map and not a southern states map, That explains Utah, and Florida.
It works perfectly to illustrate my point. And Florida isn't a dark green so pick again (already said ignore Utah).

If you live in Lexington or Louisville you can get to the Great Lakes/Canada before you get to Alabama directly South.

The true southern states don't view Kentucky as one of them.
 
It works perfectly to illustrate my point. And Florida isn't a dark green so pick again (already said ignore Utah).

If you live in Lexington or Louisville you can get to the Great Lakes/Canada before you get to Alabama directly South.

The true southern states don't view Kentucky as one of them.
OK. We were technically neutral in the Civil War (at the beginning anyway), and gave the north and south their Presidents.
 
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When that was happening the Austrian-Hungarian Empire extended from Prague down to Crotia.

Geography changes over time.
Fine you win, we're Northern, Midwestern, southern, hmmm.

Wiki says :Kentucky (UK: /kɛnˈtʌki/ ken-TUK-ee, US: /kən-/ (listen) kən-),[4] officially the Commonwealth of Kentucky, is a state located in the Southern United States.


...but what do they know?

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While that may be true in most cases this dude knows more about Kentucky than most Kentucky fans. You can’t sit there with a straight face and say that’s normal! You seen his video on YouTube, dude hates/loves UK with a passion.

Video on youtube?
 
When that was happening the Austrian-Hungarian Empire extended from Prague down to Crotia.

Geography changes over time.

Kentucky is a southern state! No matter what most people say or think, we are a southern state.
 
My point about what she said was that the parents that complained, none of them had the same quote from their daughters. They all said she said something different.
Sorry but saying that if her team plays that bad again the the next team will string them up by a rope isn’t a racist comment.
Doesn’t matter, you throw shade at UK for what Rupp may, or may not have said, like you were there, but you duck out of the Banghart comments, by saying you weren't there.

Any comments Rupp said would have been loooong before you were born, but Courtney Banghart's comments are very recent and can be easily found with an internet search.

Not only that, but UNC investigated it and Courtney resigned. Why did she resign?

Did Rupp ever get investigated for racial comments? Was he forced to resign due to all these racially insensitive comments you’re claiming he said?

Caught.
 
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There are also the historical facts that he used racial slurs and refused to recruit black players for a time. So not sure opposite of racists is the angle you should be going for, but I will agree that his “racism” is probably over criticized bc of his fame/success and the time frame and location in which he coached.
If recruiting black players would cause you, your family and the rest of the players on your team to be in danger, would you cross that line? I wouldn't, not back then.
 
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Doesn’t matter, you throw shade at UK for what Rupp may, or may not have said, like you were there, but you duck out of the Banghart comments, by saying you weren't there.

Any comments Rupp said would have been loooong before you were born, but Courtney Banghart's comments are very recent and can be easily found with an internet search.

Not only that, but UNC investigated it and Courtney resigned. Why did she resign?

Did Rupp ever get investigated for racial comments? Was he forced to resign due to all these racially insensitive comments you’re claiming he said?

Caught.
You are truly a damn idiot. Coach Banghart is the current UNC coach in her 1st year.
Coach Hatchell is the former UNC coach.
The biggest reason she stepped down is because of accusations about forcing players to play through injuries.
 
Here’s the thing, some people are going to use race and everything else to try and make Kentucky and it’s fans look bad and they don’t care how dumb they look doing it. Do we have some wacko fans? Hell yes, but tell me a fan base that doesn’t! I myself appreciate those people because it gives me a good laugh and reminds me that they are threatened by UK!!!

I would counter by saying the wacko portion of UKs fan base makes y’all look bad by themselves, without any help from rival fans, like the lady in the video, or the people who were sending that ref death threats and trying to run his roofing business into the ground.

But again you can’t look at the wacko portion as an indictment on the entire fan base or university or Athletic department. That would be like saying everyone associated with Louisville likes to commit adultry on restaurant table tops bc pitino did.
 
You are truly a damn idiot. Coach Banghart is the current UNC coach in her 1st year.
Coach Hatchell is the former UNC coach.
The biggest reason she stepped down is because of accusations about forcing players to play through injuries.
Shows you how much I GAF about UNC. I misread the title of the article I googled, but it doesn't change the point of my post. You throw shade at Rupp with no actual proof, but that UNC coach… .. hear no evil, see no evil huh?
 
Shows you how much I GAF about UNC. I misread the title of the article I googled, but it doesn't change the point of my post. You throw shade at Rupp with no actual proof, but that UNC coach… .. hear no evil, see no evil huh?
Proof? There’s been person after person that have quoted Rupp using racial slurs.
Sorry but telling the whole team that if they play bad in the next game, that team will string them up with a rope isn’t a racial slur.
 
Shows you how much I GAF about UNC. I misread the title of the article I googled, but it doesn't change the point of my post. You throw shade at Rupp with no actual proof, but that UNC coach… .. hear no evil, see no evil huh?
The first time Bassett and the Bulldogs played Kentucky was a home game on Jan. 17, 1972. Georgia won that game, 85-73. Bassett had 27 points and 13 rebounds. After the game, the legendary Kentucky coach Adolph Rupp approached Bassett.

Tim Bassett, guarding Charlie Scott, won an A.B.A. title with the Nets in 1976.Credit...Rogers Photo Archive/Getty Images
“He said I didn’t belong in the Southeast Conference, and he said, ‘We’ll get you back when you come to Lexington,’ ” Bassett said.

When the Bulldogs went to Lexington a month later, they entered the gym to find Bassett hanging in effigy from the ceiling. Stunned, Bassett’s teammates offered not to play the game if Bassett were too uncomfortable there. A motivated Bassett played anyway and had 17 points and 17 rebounds, but Georgia lost, 87-63.

After the game, Bassett wanted to let Rupp know just how he felt about Rupp’s allowing the effigy in Kentucky’s gym. He went searching for Rupp’s office but was stopped before he could get there.

here ya go...
 
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The first time Bassett and the Bulldogs played Kentucky was a home game on Jan. 17, 1972. Georgia won that game, 85-73. Bassett had 27 points and 13 rebounds. After the game, the legendary Kentucky coach Adolph Rupp approached Bassett.

Tim Bassett, guarding Charlie Scott, won an A.B.A. title with the Nets in 1976.Credit...Rogers Photo Archive/Getty Images
“He said I didn’t belong in the Southeast Conference, and he said, ‘We’ll get you back when you come to Lexington,’ ” Bassett said.

When the Bulldogs went to Lexington a month later, they entered the gym to find Bassett hanging in effigy from the ceiling. Stunned, Bassett’s teammates offered not to play the game if Bassett were too uncomfortable there. A motivated Bassett played anyway and had 17 points and 17 rebounds, but Georgia lost, 87-63.

After the game, Bassett wanted to let Rupp know just how he felt about Rupp’s allowing the effigy in Kentucky’s gym. He went searching for Rupp’s office but was stopped before he could get there.

here ya go...
It’s only true if you were there & heard it 1st hand.
Didn’t you know that??????
 
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The first time Bassett and the Bulldogs played Kentucky was a home game on Jan. 17, 1972. Georgia won that game, 85-73. Bassett had 27 points and 13 rebounds. After the game, the legendary Kentucky coach Adolph Rupp approached Bassett.

Tim Bassett, guarding Charlie Scott, won an A.B.A. title with the Nets in 1976.Credit...Rogers Photo Archive/Getty Images
“He said I didn’t belong in the Southeast Conference, and he said, ‘We’ll get you back when you come to Lexington,’ ” Bassett said.

When the Bulldogs went to Lexington a month later, they entered the gym to find Bassett hanging in effigy from the ceiling. Stunned, Bassett’s teammates offered not to play the game if Bassett were too uncomfortable there. A motivated Bassett played anyway and had 17 points and 17 rebounds, but Georgia lost, 87-63.

After the game, Bassett wanted to let Rupp know just how he felt about Rupp’s allowing the effigy in Kentucky’s gym. He went searching for Rupp’s office but was stopped before he could get there.

here ya go...

Where Bassett's story falls apart, however, is in the description of the 'effigy' that he claims was hung 'from the ceiling.' For starters, the ceiling in Memorial Coliseum is suspended so high off the floor that there is no realistic way that someone could hang something from it, without the use of a high-reach or in a few spots a large ladder. Neither is it clear how an effigy would be hung, given that the ceiling of Memorial is flat (i.e. there's no accessible rafters etc. to hang something from.)

The other critical problem is that there is absolutely no record or recollection of this incident happening from anyone else.

For the record, I did talk with Mr. Bassett himself about his claim. He did still maintain that he saw 'something', albeit for a brief time. But he didn't provide any specific details as to what it was, where specifically it was located within Memorial Coliseum or why he thought Rupp was behind it.

Beyond talking with Mr. Bassett, I questioned administrators and support staff who were at the University of Kentucky at the time, including then-sports information director Russell Rice, and they all completely deny that such an event happened. In fact they were offended that the claim was even made and annoyed it was taken seriously by others.

University of Georgia officials, who were also at the school during that time period, also don't recall such an event occurring. Numerous players and support personnel for both teams were questioned about this and none recall this incident. More critically, of a handful of Bassett's own teammates, not only don't they remember seeing an effigy, but none remember something as memorable as offering to sit out a game to support their teammates over what would seem such a controversial event.

Beyond all of this, looking back through the newspaper articles which covered the games (including the The Atlanta Journal, The Atlanta Constitution and UGa's student newspaper The Red and Black), none mention or even hint that something had been amiss before, during or after the game. One would think that if an incident had indeed occurred that someone would have mentioned it somewhere ?

Or surely at least the coach of Georgia would know about it and be incensed ? But again there's no hint of animosity. It is noteworthy that by all indications UGa Coach Ken Rosemond and Rupp were on good terms prior to these games. More germane to the issue at hand, soon after these two UK-UGa games in 1972, Rosemond wrote to Rupp asking for a letter of recommendation to be considered for the head coaching position at Duke; so it appears that Rosemond and Rupp stayed on a good terms.

...

Strangely, the year before this article appeared, the book Across the Line by Barry Jacobs was published about the struggles that black basketball pioneers in the ACC and SEC experienced. Both Bassett and Hogue were interviewed extensively for this book. A complete 23-page chapter was devoted to their time at the University of Georgia and covered a number of racial incidents and topics, yet this particular incident wasn't mentioned at all. Maybe someday Bassett's own book will solve this mystery ?

As far as The New York Times, this is where things actually get interesting. After talking directly with the author of the article (Chris Hine), the sports editor (Tom Jolly) and the managing editor at the paper, it was clear that this particular claim in the article should never have been published in the first place.
 
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There are also the historical facts that he used racial slurs and refused to recruit black players for a time. So not sure opposite of racists is the angle you should be going for, but I will agree that his “racism” is probably over criticized bc of his fame/success and the time frame and location in which he coached.

You can't defend a man who died decades ago, and one cannot be charged for libel against a dead man. Deford of Sports Illustrated called him racist in 1997, 31 years after the alleged fact. The UK players did not recall what Deford accused Rupp of saying, but in today’s world facts should not get confused when they conflict with the unfounded charges. You can't get sued by a dead man, so say what you want. I am confident that he may have said derogatory terms about blacks. He sure said derogatory terms about white men. But why not make the charges when Rupp was alive? The reason is that Rupp would have gone after them with lawyers and the public behind him.

Your statement about not recruiting blacks to UK is disingenuous. For most of his career he could not play a black man in the SEC. So, if you can't play one why in hell would you ever recruit one? Please explain that to me. Also reports that black players like Haskins would not consider going to a “white” school (Kentucky), but he went to Western Kentucky which was in the same damned state University system and as "white" as Kentucky. So a lot of the claims are nothing but lies.


He, as I said in my earlier post, had his life threatened for recruiting a black player. Kentucky was not the segregated south like Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. Why did the press in the the last 80’s and 90’s come after Rupp on racial lines? Why not go after Dean Smith? Why not go after any Southern and many Northern coaches who did not have black players on their teams?
 
It works perfectly to illustrate my point. And Florida isn't a dark green so pick again (already said ignore Utah).

If you live in Lexington or Louisville you can get to the Great Lakes/Canada before you get to Alabama directly South.

The true southern states don't view Kentucky as one of them.

Kentucky did not succeed and they provided the Union with Lincoln. But after the Civil War Kentucky was treated like it had succeeded.

One of my great grandfathers fought for the Union and came home to a piece of land without a barn, house or any cattle left. His wife and kids were living with neighbors. He never voted Republican again.
 
Kentucky did not succeed and they provided the Union with Lincoln. But after the Civil War Kentucky was treated like it had succeeded.

One of my great grandfathers fought for the Union and came home to a piece of land without a barn, house or any cattle left. His wife and kids were living with neighbors. He never voted Republican again.
My grandmothers great grandparents lived on land in Alabama. They also fought in the Civil War. They were apart of the generation of folks down there who saw their land and livelihood get decimated by the sanctions that the North put on them after the war was over. In the 1880's they moved to Texas. They originally planned on moving further into the western part of the state but once they got to the piney woods of East Texas they thought it looked so much like home in Alabama that they decided to settle there. My mother and her cousins still own some of that land today.
 
You can't defend a man who died decades ago, and one cannot be charged for libel against a dead man. Deford of Sports Illustrated called him racist in 1997, 31 years after the alleged fact. The UK players did not recall what Deford accused Rupp of saying, but in today’s world facts should not get confused when they conflict with the unfounded charges. You can't get sued by a dead man, so say what you want. I am confident that he may have said derogatory terms about blacks. He sure said derogatory terms about white men. But why not make the charges when Rupp was alive? The reason is that Rupp would have gone after them with lawyers and the public behind him.

Your statement about not recruiting blacks to UK is disingenuous. For most of his career he could not play a black man in the SEC. So, if you can't play one why in hell would you ever recruit one? Please explain that to me. Also reports that black players like Haskins would not consider going to a “white” school (Kentucky), but he went to Western Kentucky which was in the same damned state University system and as "white" as Kentucky. So a lot of the claims are nothing but lies.


He, as I said in my earlier post, had his life threatened for recruiting a black player. Kentucky was not the segregated south like Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. Why did the press in the the last 80’s and 90’s come after Rupp on racial lines? Why not go after Dean Smith? Why not go after any Southern and many Northern coaches who did not have black players on their teams?

"Unseld in his comments was not apparently aware that technically Rupp was not allowed to recruit black players prior to him. UK opened their athletic programs to integration in May of 1963. At the time, Rupp had already filled his allotted scholarships for the upcoming 1963-64 season, but targeted Unseld for recruitment the following spring.

Also, one thing that is perhaps not well known about Rupp is that he was a very poor recruiter in terms of actively engaging and trying to convince a recruit to come to the University of Kentucky to play basketball. Rupp rarely travelled to recruit players, recruits typically came to him. In Rupp's view, if a recruit wasn't able to recognize the benefits of playing basketball for what he considered to be the greatest program and greatest coach in the country, then the player wasn't smart enough to play for him anyway. Given Rupp's achievements at the time, it's understandable why he thought this way, although it did handicap him later in his career as other programs put a greater emphasis into basketball recruiting and successfully steered recruits away from Lexington."
 
Where Bassett's story falls apart, however, is in the description of the 'effigy' that he claims was hung 'from the ceiling.' For starters, the ceiling in Memorial Coliseum is suspended so high off the floor that there is no realistic way that someone could hang something from it, without the use of a high-reach or in a few spots a large ladder. Neither is it clear how an effigy would be hung, given that the ceiling of Memorial is flat (i.e. there's no accessible rafters etc. to hang something from.)

The other critical problem is that there is absolutely no record or recollection of this incident happening from anyone else.

For the record, I did talk with Mr. Bassett himself about his claim. He did still maintain that he saw 'something', albeit for a brief time. But he didn't provide any specific details as to what it was, where specifically it was located within Memorial Coliseum or why he thought Rupp was behind it.

Beyond talking with Mr. Bassett, I questioned administrators and support staff who were at the University of Kentucky at the time, including then-sports information director Russell Rice, and they all completely deny that such an event happened. In fact they were offended that the claim was even made and annoyed it was taken seriously by others.

University of Georgia officials, who were also at the school during that time period, also don't recall such an event occurring. Numerous players and support personnel for both teams were questioned about this and none recall this incident. More critically, of a handful of Bassett's own teammates, not only don't they remember seeing an effigy, but none remember something as memorable as offering to sit out a game to support their teammates over what would seem such a controversial event.

Beyond all of this, looking back through the newspaper articles which covered the games (including the The Atlanta Journal, The Atlanta Constitution and UGa's student newspaper The Red and Black), none mention or even hint that something had been amiss before, during or after the game. One would think that if an incident had indeed occurred that someone would have mentioned it somewhere ?

Or surely at least the coach of Georgia would know about it and be incensed ? But again there's no hint of animosity. It is noteworthy that by all indications UGa Coach Ken Rosemond and Rupp were on good terms prior to these games. More germane to the issue at hand, soon after these two UK-UGa games in 1972, Rosemond wrote to Rupp asking for a letter of recommendation to be considered for the head coaching position at Duke; so it appears that Rosemond and Rupp stayed on a good terms.

...

Strangely, the year before this article appeared, the book Across the Line by Barry Jacobs was published about the struggles that black basketball pioneers in the ACC and SEC experienced. Both Bassett and Hogue were interviewed extensively for this book. A complete 23-page chapter was devoted to their time at the University of Georgia and covered a number of racial incidents and topics, yet this particular incident wasn't mentioned at all. Maybe someday Bassett's own book will solve this mystery ?

As far as The New York Times, this is where things actually get interesting. After talking directly with the author of the article (Chris Hine), the sports editor (Tom Jolly) and the managing editor at the paper, it was clear that this particular claim in the article should never have been published in the first place.
Let me guess, you’ve been on Jon Scott page?
 
"Unseld in his comments was not apparently aware that technically Rupp was not allowed to recruit black players prior to him. UK opened their athletic programs to integration in May of 1963. At the time, Rupp had already filled his allotted scholarships for the upcoming 1963-64 season, but targeted Unseld for recruitment the following spring.

Also, one thing that is perhaps not well known about Rupp is that he was a very poor recruiter in terms of actively engaging and trying to convince a recruit to come to the University of Kentucky to play basketball. Rupp rarely travelled to recruit players, recruits typically came to him. In Rupp's view, if a recruit wasn't able to recognize the benefits of playing basketball for what he considered to be the greatest program and greatest coach in the country, then the player wasn't smart enough to play for him anyway. Given Rupp's achievements at the time, it's understandable why he thought this way, although it did handicap him later in his career as other programs put a greater emphasis into basketball recruiting and successfully steered recruits away from Lexington."

We have first hand accounts of Rupp that are still alive and know the score, but no one wants to interview them because it fvcks up their narrative. They rather depend on the invented shit.
 
I’ll take that as a yes.
I'll also take this as a yes.

...but let me guess, is this where you try to discredit him? Were the ppl he talked to lying or did he just make it all up? Eyeroll

Anyway, continue with your agenda. I was responding to Della.
 
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My grandmothers great grandparents lived on land in Alabama. They also fought in the Civil War. They were apart of the generation of folks down there who saw their land and livelihood get decimated by the sanctions that the North put on them after the war was over. In the 1880's they moved to Texas. They originally planned on moving further into the western part of the state but once they got to the piney woods of East Texas they thought it looked so much like home in Alabama that they decided to settle there. My mother and her cousins still own some of that land today.
Reconstruction was brutal. The economy and land ownership was attacked in the worst sort of way.

My folks lost hundreds of acres of their land in Kentucky because of reconstruction. You could not pay your taxes and a carpet bagger would come in and pay them and off your property goes your ass.
 
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I'll also take this as a yes.

...but let me guess, is this where you try to discredit him? Were the ppl he talked to lying or did he just make it all up? Eyeroll
Why would discredit a UK fan that runs a UK history site? It’s not like he’d ever post or admit anything negative about UK.
 
Where Bassett's story falls apart, however, is in the description of the 'effigy' that he claims was hung 'from the ceiling.' For starters, the ceiling in Memorial Coliseum is suspended so high off the floor that there is no realistic way that someone could hang something from it, without the use of a high-reach or in a few spots a large ladder. Neither is it clear how an effigy would be hung, given that the ceiling of Memorial is flat (i.e. there's no accessible rafters etc. to hang something from.)

The other critical problem is that there is absolutely no record or recollection of this incident happening from anyone else.

For the record, I did talk with Mr. Bassett himself about his claim. He did still maintain that he saw 'something', albeit for a brief time. But he didn't provide any specific details as to what it was, where specifically it was located within Memorial Coliseum or why he thought Rupp was behind it.

Beyond talking with Mr. Bassett, I questioned administrators and support staff who were at the University of Kentucky at the time, including then-sports information director Russell Rice, and they all completely deny that such an event happened. In fact they were offended that the claim was even made and annoyed it was taken seriously by others.

University of Georgia officials, who were also at the school during that time period, also don't recall such an event occurring. Numerous players and support personnel for both teams were questioned about this and none recall this incident. More critically, of a handful of Bassett's own teammates, not only don't they remember seeing an effigy, but none remember something as memorable as offering to sit out a game to support their teammates over what would seem such a controversial event.

Beyond all of this, looking back through the newspaper articles which covered the games (including the The Atlanta Journal, The Atlanta Constitution and UGa's student newspaper The Red and Black), none mention or even hint that something had been amiss before, during or after the game. One would think that if an incident had indeed occurred that someone would have mentioned it somewhere ?

Or surely at least the coach of Georgia would know about it and be incensed ? But again there's no hint of animosity. It is noteworthy that by all indications UGa Coach Ken Rosemond and Rupp were on good terms prior to these games. More germane to the issue at hand, soon after these two UK-UGa games in 1972, Rosemond wrote to Rupp asking for a letter of recommendation to be considered for the head coaching position at Duke; so it appears that Rosemond and Rupp stayed on a good terms.

...

Strangely, the year before this article appeared, the book Across the Line by Barry Jacobs was published about the struggles that black basketball pioneers in the ACC and SEC experienced. Both Bassett and Hogue were interviewed extensively for this book. A complete 23-page chapter was devoted to their time at the University of Georgia and covered a number of racial incidents and topics, yet this particular incident wasn't mentioned at all. Maybe someday Bassett's own book will solve this mystery ?

As far as The New York Times, this is where things actually get interesting. After talking directly with the author of the article (Chris Hine), the sports editor (Tom Jolly) and the managing editor at the paper, it was clear that this particular claim in the article should never have been published in the first place.
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see that ladder?Laughing
 
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Reconstruction was brutal. The economy and land ownership was attacked in the worst sort of way.

My folks lost hundreds of acres of their land in Kentucky because of reconstruction. You could not pay your taxes and a carpet bagger would come in and pay them and off your property goes your ass.
That map you have in your guest house was fascinating.
 
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