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Oh, now I see. I was being more facetious than sarcastic.

Farm boys knew about reproduction long before they taught us that in high school. We knew how pigs, chickens, cows, and horses did it and you did not have to be brilliant to figure out a few things about humans.

The big difference on the farm was to make sure that sex worked instead of not working. Eyeroll
 
Abstinence-only education prohibits educating students about contraceptives.


I didn't say Democrat or Republican. I said liberal and conservative. Liberals have always fought for the extension of civil rights to oppressed groups; conservatives have always fought against that. That the profiles of the two major political parties have changed over the years is a separate point.
Yeah see, that's my issue. Sometimes I use the groups interchangeably and that's my mistake. I've been referring to Dems/Republicans. Not Conservative/Liberal.
 
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He said liberals, not Democrats. What we see today as Democrats and Republicans is quite different than what was Democrat and Republican back when Dixiecrats showed up.
Yeah sometimes I forget and use Conservative = Republican and Liberal = Democrat. I use them interchangeably a lot. Can make conversations confusing.
 
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Yeah sometimes I forget and use Conservative = Republican and Liberal = Democrat. I use them interchangeably a lot. Can make conversations confusing.
You are a libertarian based on my gauge. Same with me.

I am liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues.

The Bernie Sanders side of the democratic party are communist. The lazy asses want something for nothing. If the government gives you something then they will take away part of your freedom for it. If you go to college then you should pay for it. If you build up debt, pay for it yourself. If you are not willing to fight for freedom, leave my country. If you are not willing to work, sleep in a damned ditch.

I can’t stand the commies as I lost of lot of friends in Vietnam fighting those bastards. Bernie spent his first damned honeymoon in the USSR. May his balls rot off!
 
You are a libertarian based on my gauge. Same with me.

I am liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues.

The Bernie Sanders side of the democratic party are communist. The lazy asses want something for nothing. If the government gives you something then they will take away part of your freedom for it. If you go to college then you should pay for it. If you build up debt, pay for it yourself. If you are not willing to fight for freedom, leave my country. If you are not willing to work, sleep in a damned ditch.

I can’t stand the commies as I lost of lot of friends in Vietnam fighting those bastards. Bernie spent his first damned honeymoon in the USSR. May his balls rot off!
Yes I'm very Libertarian
 
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Yeah, this is the strange disconnect I see... like... how did Ray Moore go through all of that and still have such support?

The Roy Moore thing baffled me. The only right winger I remember ever condemning him was Mitch McConnell of all people. And that had more to do with his feud with Bannon than any moral obligation. First they ignored the Access Hollywood tape, then Roy Moore, then they refused to stop accepting money from Steve Wynn, all while the left is crucifying Al Franken and freezing Harvey Weinstein's donations... the RNC literally doesn't care at all. They're completely off the reservation now.


I think there is a LOT more denial of reality on the right... a lot of "Well, that's just fake news!" and conspiracy stuff... and a lot more believing of stuff that is just unbelievable, and in fact stands in opposition to OTHER beliefs... the whole "I hate Obama because of his CHRISTIAN pastor, but he is also a Muslim" sort of cognitive dissonance. It's like the huge number of Trump voters who saw the Trump crowds and Obama crowds and said the Trump crowds were bigger when they clearly weren't, or majority of self-identified "very conservative" Americans who believe that Muslims are secretly trying to implement sharia law in the United States... or the crazy fact that MORE conservatives believed Obama was born abroad AFTER he released his birth certificate.

(NOTE: I am about to talk about conservatives and liberals, NOT Republicans and Democrats!)

There are fundamental psychological differences between conservative thinkers and liberal thinkers. A number of studies have found...

"Psychologists have repeatedly reported that self-described conservatives tend to place a higher value than those to their left on deference to tradition and authority. They are more likely to value stability, conformity, and order, and have more difficulty tolerating novelty and ambiguity and uncertainty. They are more sensitive than liberals to information suggesting the possibility of danger than to information suggesting benefits. And they are more moralistic and more likely to repress unconscious drives towards unconventional sexuality.

Fairness and kindness place lower on the list of moral priorities for conservatives than for liberals. Conservatives show a stronger preference for higher status groups, are more accepting of inequality and injustice, and are less empathic (at least towards those outside their immediate family). "


I think the psychological makeup of people has a lot to do with all of this stuff (for example, the idea that 'threat' registers more "loudly" with conservative thinkers than liberal thinkers) and there are obviously differences in how we therefore process and respond to information.


... and a piece from a group of researchers (one of whom is a friend of mine!) about the spread of fake news in our current world, and what sorts of people generally spread and believe it more.

https://shorensteincenter.org/combating-fake-news-agenda-for-research/

PS Yes, I know some people will just not read this and get all angry at me. Don't bother.

A lot of it is definitely determined by how people are wired. I agree with the "threat" concept. The people least likely to be impacted by a "threat" are always the ones who are most concerned about it. Those "bad hombre's" are probably not headed to Smallville.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that evangelicals are so strongly aligned with the side that produces and shares the vast majority of the fake news. People who hitch their identity to a belief that lacks tangible evidence already accepted a narrative that facts aren't needed at some point in their lives. It's not surprising that they would continue to be susceptible to believing whatever they're told - they're likely getting their info from other people who they already share beliefs with..

Probably on the same lines, I think peer pressure is to blame too. The voting map is the best example of that. I grew up in a rural area of Indiana - it takes courage to admit liberal beliefs in a lot of social circles. I'm sure it's tough to call BS on fake news too. It's easy to be an independent thinker in heavily populated areas - people on both sides are used to working and conversing with one another. Not so much in the small communities (at least the all white ones).

The scary thing is the explosion of these think tanks like Cambridge Analytica that are getting billions of dollars to figure out how to manipulate social media to exploit people's impulses. It's only natural that fake news goes hand in hand with that. The right is way ahead of the left in using new tactics and technology like that.
 
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The Roy Moore thing baffled me. The only right winger I remember ever condemning him was Mitch McConnell of all people. And that had more to do with his feud with Bannon than any moral obligation. First they ignored the Access Hollywood tape, then Roy Moore, then they refused to stop accepting money from Steve Wynn, all while the left is crucifying Al Franken and freezing Harvey Weinstein's donations... the RNC literally doesn't care at all. They're completely off the reservation now.




A lot of it is definitely determined by how people are wired. I agree with the "threat" concept. The people least likely to be impacted by a "threat" are always the ones who are most concerned about it. Those "bad hombre's" are probably not headed to Smallville.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that evangelicals are so strongly aligned with the side that produces and shares the vast majority of the fake news. People who hitch their identity to a belief that lacks tangible evidence already accepted a narrative that facts aren't needed at some point in their lives. It's not surprising that they would continue to be susceptible to believing whatever they're told - they're likely getting their info from other people who they already share beliefs with..

Probably on the same lines, I think peer pressure is to blame too. The voting map is the best example of that. I grew up in a rural area of Indiana - it takes courage to admit liberal beliefs in a lot of social circles. I'm sure it's tough to call BS on fake news too. It's easy to be an independent thinker in heavily populated areas - people on both sides are used to working and conversing with one another. Not so much in the small communities (at least the all white ones).

The scary thing is the explosion of these think tanks like Cambridge Analytica that are getting billions of dollars to figure out how to manipulate social media to exploit people's impulses. It's only natural that fake news goes hand in hand with that. The right is way ahead of the left in using new tactics and technology like that.
Wow
 
Eric Reid was asked in December about how he felt about Jimmy Garoppolo and the effect he was having on the 49ers. He then, without solicitation, went on a rant about how he knew that teams were going to be turned off by him because of his protest. He said it was very important to him and that he was ready to accept and live with the fact that he may not get picked up by a team.

Well, after the second day of free agency went by with not a single safety being signed by any NFL team, Reid starts whining about not being signed because of his protest. Last week he announced that he would end his protest if he was signed to a contract. This week he has announced a lawsuit against the NFL for "collusion".

Haha. What is it with you lefties and collusion? Anyways, Reid is a horrible coverage safety, he's even bad at helping in coverage. He is a decent tackler but the problem is, the guys he is tackling have already gained 15+ yards. They tried to use him at LB last year, but that didn't work out. This and the fact that he is always hurting, OF ALL THINGS, his knee, makes him a not so attractive free agent. I think he is talented enough to be on a roster, but not talented enough to bring his mouth and his drama.
 

I have to admit, Letsgo... I am a bit... puzzled...? that you posted this big anti-California scree, about how all Californians want to do is harbor criminals and drug dealers, and how California doesn't reflect real family values, and insist every line of it is a fact and challenge everyone to debate even a single point of it...

... but then, when someone posts something about how people respond to the IDEA of threat compared to the actual level of threat itself, or that it is hard to come out publicly with beliefs that are against the grain in a small community, all based on actual research and study done by some of the top researchers around... all you can say is "Wow."

Not meaning this as an attack or anything... it just strikes me as odd.
 
I have to admit, Letsgo... I am a bit... puzzled...? that you posted this big anti-California scree, about how all Californians want to do is harbor criminals and drug dealers, and how California doesn't reflect real family values, and insist every line of it is a fact and challenge everyone to debate even a single point of it...

... but then, when someone posts something about how people respond to the IDEA of threat compared to the actual level of threat itself, or that it is hard to come out publicly with beliefs that are against the grain in a small community, all based on actual research and study done by some of the top researchers around... all you can say is "Wow."

Not meaning this as an attack or anything... it just strikes me as odd.
Yeah. You obviously didn't pay attention to what I said.
 
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He said liberals, not Democrats. What we see today as Democrats and Republicans is quite different than what was Democrat and Republican back when Dixiecrats showed up.
Not sure what the Dixiecrats have to do with it.
 
The fact that you are focusing on me apparently not seeing the massive difference between...

The California left wants sanctuaries for criminals... (they are) enablers of worthless scum and dopeheads... (it) does not endorse the lifestyle of an everyday hard working middle class American.

and

Californians want to... harbor criminals and drug dealers, and how California doesn't reflect real family values

as if there is some fundamental point you are making that I am missing...

(nevermind that you called it all fact)

... and then didn't respond to anything else there...

I don't know, man. It feels like dodging.

Maybe you are just trolling. If so, great, we don't have to discuss it. Just pointing out that I think its a bit weak to go on a huge anti-California tirade that you insist is all fact, and then when presented with something that is actually based on studies and research you resort to a single word response.

But whatever... gotta resist being pulled back in, especially since I suspect you are just sort of trolling me with all of this;)
 
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Not sure what the Dixiecrats have to do with it.

Uh... so, the Democrats sixty years ago are todays Republicans... there was an entire strategy to turn people who identified with the Democratic party into Republicans, and it succeeded, especially down south.

Trying to draw a parallel between the Democrats of the early 60s to Democrats today is nearly impossible; they are two very different parties, in the same way that the Republicans of the 60s were very different than the Republicans of today.
 
Uh... so, the Democrats sixty years ago are todays Republicans... there was an entire strategy to turn people who identified with the Democratic party into Republicans, and it succeeded, especially down south.

Trying to draw a parallel between the Democrats of the early 60s to Democrats today is nearly impossible; they are two very different parties, in the same way that the Republicans of the 60s were very different than the Republicans of today.
That's what I thought you were going to say.

https://www.blackandblondemedia.com/2010/03/19/the-dixiecrat-myth/

There's a great clip at the end where Malcolm X talks about how minority people that voted for Democrats are chumps because the Dems haven't done anything for them and that Dixiecrats are nothing but Democrats in disguise.
 
Jesus... did you just link a website with headings like "Dem Race Lie" and "Hate Hoaxes" and "Lib Hate Excused"?

Holy shit, how do you even FIND garbage like that? Why not just link Stormfront and be done with it?

It is AMAZING what some of you look at on the internet. No wonder you have this bizarre take on the world... I've never seen anything like that in my life, not on the left OR the right, and if I did I would immediately understand what I was looking at. Serious question; how do you even find that?

Sorry Boiler... as a guy who knows a bit about this stuff, I think I can safely roll my eyes at that a bit, especially since the actual story doesn't really say much about what I said. I mean... you DID read it, right? And you did see that it didn't actually say anything regarding what I posted? Tell me you didn't just read the title and think that somehow the story is about how there is no such thing as a Dixiecrat... Laughing
 
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The fact that you are focusing on me apparently not seeing the massive difference between...



and



as if there is some fundamental point you are making that I am missing...

(nevermind that you called it all fact)

... and then didn't respond to anything else there...

I don't know, man. It feels like dodging.

Maybe you are just trolling. If so, great, we don't have to discuss it. Just pointing out that I think its a bit weak to go on a huge anti-California tirade that you insist is all fact, and then when presented with something that is actually based on studies and research you resort to a single word response.

But whatever... gotta resist being pulled back in, especially since I suspect you are just sort of trolling me with all of this;)
Why not, instead of editing my comment, we just quote my comment?
The California left wants open borders and sanctuaries for criminals. They have gone from compassionate welcomers of the needy to enablers of worthless scum and dopeheads. They may not want everyone to be poor and have horrible education, but their policies make it impossible to have a healthy environment that encourages good living. California is great for the rich and famous, and it is a place for illegals, dopers and bums to migrate to. But it does not endorse the lifestyle of an everyday hard working middle class American. Which is fine, but don't get upset when people call it a shithole. They are destroying their beautiful state for political purposes and destroying lives along the way.

You also conveniently edited your quote, that is what I would call dodging. But it's whatever.

I said the California left. Not all Californians. When you declare your state a sanctuary state and propose open borders all while harboring known criminals and protecting them from federal agents, would you not call that enabling?

When you provide a an environment where drug addicts and worthless bums run the streets, is that not enabling?

I said the California left has policies that do not endorse the lifestyle of an everyday hard working middle class American. Never did I say that they don't reflect real family values.

You didn't want to tell me what wasn't a fact. So I am not sure why you brought this back up. I guess when I said it was for political purposes, that would be difficult to prove as fact. But no. Don't accuse me of dodging when you dodged this earlier. And don't say I made it about you when YOU quoted me.
 
Dude, its not a dodge. What you said is SO ridiculous that it is hard to address. And the fact that you think saying things like "The California left are enablers of worthless scum and dope dealers" and don't get how that is most assuredly not a fact makes it pretty clear there is absolutely no purpose in getting into it. Wait, compassion for the poor and trying not to rip apart families isn't an American middle class value?

If I posted "The American Right are a bunch of religious nuts who believe lies and are morally corrupt" because, you know... actual studies show that the American Right is overwhelmingly Christian, are more apt to believe lies, and elected the most morally corrupt president in history after years of saying that they were the party of Family Values... would you say "Oh yeah, clearly that's fact!" Would you be all like "Ah yes, let's have a robust debate about those statements!"

Nevermind; let's drop it. Congrats on this thread getting so far, I guess... can some more people get angry at the damn liberal left forcing the Boy Scouts to change their name again?
 
Jesus... did you just link a website with headings like "Dem Race Lie" and "Hate Hoaxes" and "Lib Hate Excused"?

Holy shit, how do you even FIND garbage like that? Why not just link Stormfront and be done with it?

It is AMAZING what some of you look at on the internet. No wonder you have this bizarre take on the world... I've never seen anything like that in my life, not on the left OR the right, and if I did I would immediately understand what I was looking at. Serious question; how do you even find that?

Sorry Boiler... as a guy who knows a bit about this stuff, I think I can safely roll my eyes at that a bit, especially since the actual story doesn't really say much about what I said. I mean... you DID read it, right? And you did see that it didn't actually say anything regarding what I posted? Tell me you didn't just read the title and think that somehow the story is about how there is no such thing as a Dixiecrat... Laughing
Yes I did read it. Based on your comments, I don't think you did.

You said "there was an entire strategy to turn people who identified with the Democratic party into Republicans, and it succeeded, especially down south." Dems have tried to push the idea that the Dixiecrats turned Republican and therefore the Republicans are now the racists. This talks about how that just isn't true and in fact Malcolm X states that the Dems tried to "pass the buck" on to Republicans. Did you even listen to the audio clip?

I never said there wasn't anything such as a Dixiecrat. Nor did this article. It just states that the history that the Dems try to push that the Dixiecrats somehow became Republicans isn't really true.
 
Okay, whatever. You keep misquoting me. So it is obvious you have no interest in a conversation. What I said is what is happening in California. Not everywhere in California. But in the liberal strongholds of California. I agree that it is ridiculous, but me saying it isn't ridiculous.
 
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It is strange how that state wants no border protection as well as to protect illegals, even some with crime. I don't understand how anything good can come of these two things.
 
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It is strange how that state wants no border protection as well as to protect illegals, even some with crime. I don't understand how anything good can come of these two things.

Jimbo, that's a great point. EXACTLY. NOBODY would want just that. It's JUST possible that people aren't actually discussing the whole story. That's why this whole "ITS JUST FACTS!" thing is so ridiculous and slanted.

Okay; now I am really out. This thread is dead.
 
Jimbo, that's a great point. EXACTLY. NOBODY would want just that. It's JUST possible that people aren't actually discussing the whole story. That's why this whole "ITS JUST FACTS!" thing is so ridiculous and slanted.

Okay; now I am really out. This thread is dead.
So lazy. I gave you individual examples and you refuse to dispute any of them with what you would call facts. Lazy
 
Jimbo, that's a great point. EXACTLY. NOBODY would want just that. It's JUST possible that people aren't actually discussing the whole story. That's why this whole "ITS JUST FACTS!" thing is so ridiculous and slanted.

Okay; now I am really out. This thread is dead.
I mean, if there's more to it then let me know. From what I've read, they are doing everything they can do keep illegals safe. There are counties and towns that are voting to not follow the sanctuary laws, so it sounds like the state is pretty divided in some parts.
 
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Jesus... did you just link a website with headings like "Dem Race Lie" and "Hate Hoaxes" and "Lib Hate Excused"?

Holy shit, how do you even FIND garbage like that? Why not just link Stormfront and be done with it?

It is AMAZING what some of you look at on the internet. No wonder you have this bizarre take on the world... I've never seen anything like that in my life, not on the left OR the right, and if I did I would immediately understand what I was looking at. Serious question; how do you even find that?

Sorry Boiler... as a guy who knows a bit about this stuff, I think I can safely roll my eyes at that a bit, especially since the actual story doesn't really say much about what I said. I mean... you DID read it, right? And you did see that it didn't actually say anything regarding what I posted? Tell me you didn't just read the title and think that somehow the story is about how there is no such thing as a Dixiecrat... Laughing
This is the douchebag we all know, right here, this type of response. Not only called what he linked garbage, likely because he doesn't agree with it, but he also pumps himself up as "a guy who knows a bit about this stuff." Never seen someone try sooooo hard to get people to think he's intellectual and smart. It's really weird. Add in his obsession with underage girls and it's just plain old creepy AF.
 
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