Wow. I guess the ACC fans should apologize for what the league has obviously done to harm you.
Your butt hurt is real.
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Your butt hurt is real.
What would be better is if we stopped obsessing over race. IMO
In general life, for sure. I can see it with this though. Black History Month and there are still not near enough black coaches being given deserved head coaching shots in sports.
But I do hear your point about life overall.
Are there any black assistants that have been snubbed? Who's out there that should have a head coaching job and what school(s) snubbed them?
I don't know about y'all, but if I'm searching for a new coach, I want the best guy for the job and I don't care what color he is. The last thing any school should he doing, is picking coaches based on skin color.
I don't know about y'all, but if I'm searching for a new coach, I want the best guy for the job and I don't care what color he is. The last thing any school should he doing, is picking coaches based on skin color.
What percentage of players at HBCUs have been white in the last 30 years? What about percentage of black players at high major schools?
What percentage of assistant coaches at HBCUs have been white? How about percentage of assistants who are black at high majors?
There isn't an exception. We either stop injecting race into every aspect of society, or it will dominate every discussion for the rest of our lives. Why do we want the most important thing about who we are to be our race?
Absolutely. Anyone crying racism in the coaching community is just looking for an excuse for unqualified candidates.
Personally, just because I acknowledge something doesn’t mean it’s the most important thing to me. I talk about the weather with friends a lot and it’s not the most important thing about who we are.
I’m fine with acknowledging that someone could have been a trailblazer in a specific field or institution. And it’s not just a black/white thing either. Lots of trailblazers out there around the world.
I agree. Historical milestones are important to recognize. But listing every coach who is black is not historical or a milestone in 2024. It's silly. And then to say they are underrepresented without any real evidence of it being because they are black is exactly what I am talking about. Obsessing over race. If I were a black man who was a coach, I would want to be referred to as a coach. Which I think is what most do want. As far as my question about race being the most important part of who we are. I am not saying it is for most people. But the people (media mostly) who push race on about everything definitely make it out to be.
The graphic that sparked all of this was created in/for Black History Month. If it was a random graphic, I’d see being annoyed with it, but it wasn’t random.
Minority coaches earning head coaching jobs is something worth noting. It makes more sense to highlight it than to pretend race doesn’t exist or matter. It doesn’t detract from each individual coach’s merits and it’s unlikely they’d see it that way. It doesn’t imply they were hired primarily because of their race.
Well they are underrepresented. That’s just a math fact. Now, whether or not there is any ulterior motive for the reasons behind the under representation, that’s a different conversation. And one that a message board likely isn’t the place to have that conversation all that effectively. But under representation in and of itself is just an equation.
As for the media part, I’ve found simply not engaging with the infotainment that was formally known as the news is a healthy way to avoid much of the race baiting crap.
Well, black history month has nothing to do with current coaches. The first black coach. The first black student athletes. Yes. In fact, why aren't they listing every black student athlete?
Anyways, I didn't mean to derail the thread. I will move on.
So the argument is to ignore the accomplishments of current Black coaches because they’re not old enough to be considered historical. Got it.
It's not that they're not old enough. It's that their achievements are not historical in any way. You're proving my point by being obsessed with race. Their skin color has nothing to do with their accomplishments. And when being assessed by the ADs, skin color shouldn't be considered. If it is, then that is racist.
It's like documenting every black person who sits at the front of a bus. There is nothing historical about that. Roas Parks holds that place in history.
Well FWIW, Leonard Hamilton was the first black assistant coach in the SEC, the first black head coach I think in the Big 8, and also the first black coach to win both the Big East and ACC CoY. He had literally been turned down for jobs because of the color of his skin.
Sounds like a good story to tell during black history month. Too bad his personal story got bunched together with a few other coaches who happened to be black.
I think it’s worth acknowledging how much things have changed just during his career. How many of his peers today are not forced to break the same barrier. It’s nice to see how many more opportunities there are today for the most qualified person regardless of race compared to when Hamilton first was coaching.
And having talked with him on the subject before, he would agree.
That's fair. I don't have any issues with individual recognition. Or how that achievement affects the success of future generations. But that doesn't make every black person, whether they be a coach or a clerk at a gas station, historical.
That dude is so much fun to watch.
Give me a RJ Davis/Rob Dillingham rematch in March. UNC vs UK is usually a really really fun game.
Except when it’s your team trying to stop him.
He almost single-handedly won against UK. They didn't have an answer for him late in the game.
Kind of random but as a Miami fan going through this disaster of a season, my focus turned towards next season and its possibilities long ago. One of the things to be most excited about was the potential of freshman Kyshawn George. Listed at 6'8", he is an unheralded combo guard out of Switzerland that Coach L was made aware of by someone else.
I was/am excited about next season and what the team could look like with him being the primary ballhandler and him running the show. Who wouldn't be excited about a 6'8" PG with a very nice shot from outside running the offense? But now after he has a had a solid season, his NBA stock has improved quite a bit and he's being listed as a potential lottery pick because of the upside with his combination of size/length, guard skills, and shooting range.
Hard to not be happy for him at the possibility of being a high-mid first round pick but I would love to see him return for one more season of development, both on the court in learning the game after coming from playing in France and off the court to add strength to his 6'8" frame. With another season under his belt, I truly think he could play himself into a top 10 lock. Plus, if he does comes back, also hoping Wooga Poplar returns as his draft stock has plummeted this season after not being healthy, and depending on what Omier does, Miami has a chance to be pretty good next season. Not to mention Miami signed their highest ranked bball recruit in school history in guard Jalil Bethea. A backcourt of George, Bethea, and Wooga could be lethal next year.
I know, I know... TL;DR. And this is definitely a home board type of post 😂. But I was wondering if many of you guys have seen enough of George to have an opinion on his game and his potential? He finished with 14 last night at UNC, including 11 in the first half after knocking down three 3's early on. He really started off the game showing the range he has. Kid could be a really good player.
I was/am excited about next season and what the team could look like with him being the primary ballhandler and him running the show. Who wouldn't be excited about a 6'8" PG with a very nice shot from outside running the offense? But now after he has a had a solid season, his NBA stock has improved quite a bit and he's being listed as a potential lottery pick because of the upside with his combination of size/length, guard skills, and shooting range.
Hard to not be happy for him at the possibility of being a high-mid first round pick but I would love to see him return for one more season of development, both on the court in learning the game after coming from playing in France and off the court to add strength to his 6'8" frame. With another season under his belt, I truly think he could play himself into a top 10 lock. Plus, if he does comes back, also hoping Wooga Poplar returns as his draft stock has plummeted this season after not being healthy, and depending on what Omier does, Miami has a chance to be pretty good next season. Not to mention Miami signed their highest ranked bball recruit in school history in guard Jalil Bethea. A backcourt of George, Bethea, and Wooga could be lethal next year.
I know, I know... TL;DR. And this is definitely a home board type of post 😂. But I was wondering if many of you guys have seen enough of George to have an opinion on his game and his potential? He finished with 14 last night at UNC, including 11 in the first half after knocking down three 3's early on. He really started off the game showing the range he has. Kid could be a really good player.
George is a hell of a scout by Jim L. And he will definitely be a high draft pick. Y’all are gonna have to drop a serious bag for him to stay.
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SU has played the 20th toughest schedule and is going to end up with 20 or 21 regular season wins and is likely going to miss the NCAAT.
All because when they lose they decide to lose by a lot.
The NET is garbage.
All because when they lose they decide to lose by a lot.
The NET is garbage.
I hate the NET and so many on this board hid behind it. I'm sorry, but a win on the road at Minnesota, is not = to a win at Auburn, or uNC, or duke, but everyone loves to talk about how many Q1 wins they have.
Also, not all home court advantages are the same, not even close. Some teams get a much bigger boost.
Look at Michigan State, they are still easily in the tournament and it's only because they have a hard schedule. They have 11 losses, just lost b2b games at home to Iowa and Ohio State and have beaten only Baylor and Illinois, both at home. They’re getting credit for sweeping Minnesota and Maryland. Come on, that’s so bad.
Because they only have 4 Quad 4 games (just like fsu) so we aren’t propping our NET rankings up by beating bad teams by 40. Which means there are a lot fewer Quad 1/2 opps in conference play.
I’ve been railing on the NET here for years. Very easy to manipulate. Just like the RPI was easy to manipulate, only in a different way.
FSU has 8 quad 1/2 wins. 8. And 0 Q4 losses. But FSU’s NET rank is 91 because we didn’t blow out very many bad teams (we didn’t play very many bad teams). This means that playing at FSU isn’t even a Quad 1 game for someone like Cuse or Wake. Think about that, a team capable of winning 8 Q1/2 games isn’t a Q1 game themselves for opponents playing at their gym.
Cinci has 5 Q 1/2 wins. And they only have one more overall win than FSU (16 vs 15). But Cinci beat up on a bunch of horrible non-con teams and is 9-0 in Q4 games. So their NET is 45th. Meaning every single Big 12 team that travels to Cinci gets a Q1 win for beating them.
FSU has 8 quad 1/2 wins. 8. And 0 Q4 losses. But FSU’s NET rank is 91 because we didn’t blow out very many bad teams (we didn’t play very many bad teams). This means that playing at FSU isn’t even a Quad 1 game for someone like Cuse or Wake. Think about that, a team capable of winning 8 Q1/2 games isn’t a Q1 game themselves for opponents playing at their gym.
Cinci has 5 Q 1/2 wins. And they only have one more overall win than FSU (16 vs 15). But Cinci beat up on a bunch of horrible non-con teams and is 9-0 in Q4 games. So their NET is 45th. Meaning every single Big 12 team that travels to Cinci gets a Q1 win for beating them.
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